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Additionally, the 'New' Section is great, explore that, I've discovered more new music through that than other sections. There's the Editors playlists in there, plus the Curators ones.
Well, what do you know, that was actually a great suggestion. I had previously checked out the New section and was a bit put off by too much stuff that I very actively disliked. Now I had a deeper look into the genre suggestions and already found a couple of interesting things that went into my "Discovered on Apple Music" playlist.

I don't really need much spoon-feeding - I don't mind listening to a playlist of 20 songs to find one that might be interesting and to further explore the album and/or artist from there. I just want to be challenged a bit more, and "For You" isn't really doing that. I guess it's really for those people who have their core library of songs they love and who don't really want to break out of that.

One feature I would like though - and I know I am not the only one - would be to filter the German stuff out of the suggestions. I am one of those Germans who really likes only very very specific parts of German music. But ok, that is a bit of a First World problem.
 
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Well, what do you know, that was actually a great suggestion. I had previously checked out the New section and was a bit put off by too much stuff that I very actively disliked. Now I had a deeper look into the genre suggestions and already found a couple of interesting things that went into my "Discovered on Apple Music" playlist.

I don't really need much spoon-feeding - I don't mind listening to a playlist of 20 songs to find one that might be interesting and to further explore the album and/or artist from there. I just want to be challenged a bit more, and "For You" isn't really doing that. I guess it's really for those people who have their core library of songs they love and who don't really want to break out of that.

One feature I would like though - and I know I am not the only one - would be to filter the German stuff out of the suggestions. I am one of those Germans who really likes only very very specific parts of German music. But ok, that is a bit of a First World problem.

You can also change the New section to a specific Genre too, which might help others.
 
GuysI think I can honestly say that you managed to kill what was at first an interesting discussion. The facts are it's not for everyone, I'm a big fan of streaming it's fantastic value for money, you can listen & download for between £9.99 & £14.99 a month regardless of whether it's 1 track or 1000 tracks & whether it's new or old music, you can just stream & listen or download, what's not to love about that. But as I said some people prefer to buy CDs & have physical content, that's there choice.
 
GuysI think I can honestly say that you managed to kill what was at first an interesting discussion. The facts are it's not for everyone, I'm a big fan of streaming it's fantastic value for money, you can listen & download for between £9.99 & £14.99 a month regardless of whether it's 1 track or 1000 tracks & whether it's new or old music, you can just stream & listen or download, what's not to love about that. But as I said some people prefer to buy CDs & have physical content, that's there choice.

That's fair enough, the people killing the conversations are the ones that are hating on streaming, simply because they don't like it and deem it pointless and a ripoff.....
 
I agree mate, but as I said the fact still remains it's not for everyone. It's Not pointless as I said it good value for money. Take this as an example though I have an Xbox one I never download games digitally because I like to buy physical discs, it's no cheaper to by digital, you can't damage a digital download, you can re-install it if it takes up to much room on the hard drive, but I've never digitally downloaded & am not about to start now. As I said were all entitled to or own preferences but that doesn't mean one of us is right & 1 of us is wrong. If it's not for you cancel the auto renewal & never speak about it again that's your choice.
 
It honestly doesn't feel like the tools to scan your existing library, ratings, play counts, etc. are in place yet. That's plenty of good data to mine, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was left out or not thoroughly developed for the initial rollout as it'd be entirely new code from the Beats system.

I only talk this up so much because for me, starting with Beats, these recommendations have been such a hit for me. Lots of new and challenging suggestions many of which I've loved. Pandora/iTunes Radio/Spotify have never done this for me.
 
I am not sure if you realize that iPhones have WLAN and can be connected to a WLAN router at home, which in turn can be connected to DSL, Cable Internet, etc. When you complain about data charges, I think you complain about a problem that very very few people actually have.

When my daughter's friends are over, none of them ask for my network key, they sit around watching YouTube and Instagram for hours on end. And if they do listen to music, they're similarly racking up data charges.

Radio is a) not free but ad-financed and b) not comparable with a random-access service like streaming. On radio, I hear exactly what a specific DJ wants me to hear, and if I don't like a song, I still have to wait for the next one.

The best part of Apple Music are so-called "curated playlists" which are actually radio stations without a DJ. Whether Cousin Brucie is spinning the vinyl or not, the playlist stations are programmed by someone, you're not discovering new music on your own, it's being fed to you.

Apple Music = Radio. Don't be so gullible.

BJ
 
When my daughter's friends are over, none of them ask for my network key, they sit around watching YouTube and Instagram for hours on end. And if they do listen to music, they're similarly racking up data charges.

Not everyone has limited data tariffs. For example, In the UK, I have unlimited data for £34 pm. Sounds like you're unlucky to not have that. You need to stop assuming that you opinion is the rule for all. It's not.

Apple Music = Radio. Don't be so gullible.

BJ

Beats 1 = Radio
Apple Music/Spotify/etc = Streaming

Don't be so daft
 
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When my daughter's friends are over, none of them ask for my network key, they sit around watching YouTube and Instagram for hours on end. And if they do listen to music, they're similarly racking up data charges.



The best part of Apple Music are so-called "curated playlists" which are actually radio stations without a DJ. Whether Cousin Brucie is spinning the vinyl or not, the playlist stations are programmed by someone, you're not discovering new music on your own, it's being fed to you.

Apple Music = Radio. Don't be so gullible.

BJ

I'll ask again:

When I listen to the radio, can I select any song or album I want to listen to?

When I listen to the radio, can I download the song or album its from to my computer / portable device to listen to again whenever I choose?

What do you even mean when you say "you're not discovering new music on your own".

If I don't know a band today but I hear them on the radio tomorrow, why doesn't that count as "discovering new music on my own" anyway?

How does music need to be discovered in order for it to count?

All I care about is that I've found a new band I might like, why should I be bothered that I found that band by listening to the radio or a playlist on a streaming service, as opposed to what? Them being a support act for a band I go and see live? That probably wouldn't count either, as they would have been fed to me by the other band.

In which case can you talk a bit more about how people can discover new bands they don't know in a way that somehow counts in your eyes?
 
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Guys, I just realized the cable company has ripped me off all these years. I've been paying them every month, have all these recordings saved on my DVR, and if they go broke, change the terms of service, or just have to replace my cable box, I'm left with nothing! What am I paying for??
 
When my daughter's friends are over, none of them ask for my network key, they sit around watching YouTube and Instagram for hours on end. And if they do listen to music, they're similarly racking up data charges.

That's on the parents of your daughters friends to teach them how to be responsible with data-capped plans. I don't see how this is Apple's issue at all.

In fact, Apple already accounted for this by lowering the quality of the stream when on cellular, and people complained that they wanted the top quality stream at all times, so Apple added an option for that in the current iOS beta, and it still comes with a caveat that using it will eat more of your data.

It's like someone else said, blaming Apple for data overages is like blaming Sony for the fact that adding a TV to your house will cause your electric bill to go up.

The best part of Apple Music are so-called "curated playlists" which are actually radio stations without a DJ. Whether Cousin Brucie is spinning the vinyl or not, the playlist stations are programmed by someone, you're not discovering new music on your own, it's being fed to you.

Apple Music = Radio. Don't be so gullible.

BJ

You still seem to be ignoring the major differences between streaming and radio.

Traditional radio is:

1. Curated by DJs, who are told to play certain songs a certain amount of times in an hour to satisfy corporate demands.

2. Interspersed with ads

3. Completely linear. I cannot skip a song because I dislike it

Paid streaming is:

1. Curated by you: You can choose what you want to listen to when you want to listen to it. I can listen to a whole album as released, or make a playlist, or shuffle, whatever I want.

2. Ad-free

3. Non-linear. I can skip from song to song, I can skip over songs I dislike, I can pause, rewind, etc.

Now, in regards to curated playlists, they are still different from radio in that:

1. They are ad-free

2. You can skip songs, change the order, shuffle, etc.

Given how many services charge you money just to be able to skip songs, I think we can agree that this alone is a highly desired feature. Combine this with the ability to discover music that may never get played on the radio, or the ability to avoid hearing the same 10 songs played endlessly in a loop as you tend to get in terrestrial radio, makes streaming services worthwhile.

Given your posts in this thread, it's pretty clear that you don't mind putting up with the hassles of radio in order to discover 12 songs a year that you like by having them pounded into your head mercilessly. It's also not shocking that since you seem to mainly listen to corporate radio with mandated song plays that you think there are only 12 songs worth listening to in a year on average. However, a lot of us learned a long time ago that radio is the tip of the iceberg, and not a particularly useful tip at that, and have yearned for more sophisticated means of music discovery. But then that requires having a mindset that actually wants to discover interesting new music, instead of declaring that most new music sucks and obstinately listening to the same few bands and songs while scowling at everyone who has a wider range of tastes.

So yeah, radio is free. Because you would never be able to convince anyone to pay for it. Apple Music isn't radio even if it incorporates elements that have been used in radio. Beats 1 is radio, and look at the amount of people here complaining about the many repeated tracks and the DJs talking over the music.

Radio is the absolute worst way to discover music. You'd have a better chance of finding good music by going to a record store (if you're lucky enough to live in a town that still has them) and buying 30 records at random from the dollar bin. Radio would be like going to a library which only has 30 books, with most of the titles popping up on the shelves repeatedly, and each book has an ad inserted into it every 3 pages.

Streaming services on the other hand are more like a real library: Ad free and with a large selection. No, it's not free, but it's so much better than radio that it's very much worth it.
 
Guys, I just realized the cable company has ripped me off all these years. I've been paying them every month, have all these recordings saved on my DVR, and if they go broke, change the terms of service, or just have to replace my cable box, I'm left with nothing! What am I paying for??
This actually isn't a good analogy though. I love the show Vikings, but I am unlikely to want to re-watch it over and over and over again. I also love the Vikings soundtrack and Wardruna albums, and I DO play those over and over and over again. The DVR box we have is quite limited -- can't remember how many hours I can record, let's say 30. But we don't really use it, because we're unlikely to gush "let's re-watch Masterchef from three years ago again, it was such fun!!!". On the other hand, Madonna's "Ghosttown" has a play count of 80.

If tomorrow I lose the two movies we have on the DVR, I'll shrug. But if tomorrow I discover Madonna's albums disappeared from my iTunes, I'll be furiously firing e-mails at Tim Cook.
 
I think the number one reason I'm going to stick with Apple Music is because of the Beats1 radio station. Personally I like Spotify way better, since it's easier to navigate and to find awesome playlists. I still find Apple Music very confusing.
 
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Not everyone has limited data tariffs. For example, In the UK, I have unlimited data for £34 pm. Sounds like you're unlucky to not have that. You need to stop assuming that you opinion is the rule for all. It's not.

I never said it's the rule for all. I said that there are enough people on prorated data plans to make this a very big issue. The world's biggest market, the USA, very few people have unlimited data plans, mostly only the early iPhone adopters circa 2005 who are grandfathered in now that most of the major carriers have taken them away.

Beats 1 = Radio
Apple Music/Spotify/etc = Streaming

Don't be so daft

Wow, please tell me you haven't been fooled this badly. This is the way to look at Apple Music:

Downloads = iTunes (full catalog, but robbery atop the $10 monthly fee)
Offline = Bad iTunes (no ownership, not full catalog, pay $120 a year for less choice)
Radio = iTunes Radio (free service, it's terrific, same as Pandora)
Beats 1 = A Single iTunes Radio Station (hyped repurpose of BBC1)
For You = Curated Playlists AKA Bad iTunes Radio (iTunes radio stations capped to 12 songs)

Listen, I'm an Apple fanboy like the rest, but this is garbage, marketing hype at its finest. Apple has never treated us like we were this stupid before. That's why it's so upsetting.

BJ
 
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I think the number one reason I'm going to stick with Apple Music is because of the Beats1 radio station.

Beats 1 is free, subscription or not

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I know, but I rather use one app for all my music. I don't constantly want to switch between Apple Music and Spotify. Mostly I'm on the go and I just can't go without the offline mode.

Switching between Apps is too much effort?
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Switching between Apps is "too much"?
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Make sure you quote something when you use quotation marks. I didn't say it's too much, it's just that I don't want to. I want to use one app and store all my music there. As long as playlists aren't synchronized (which they probably never be) I use one option. Would you use two apps to store photos for instance? I assume not.
 
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Make sure you quote something when you use quotation marks.


Was simply inferring how it came across to me when reading it. (edited it)


Would you use two apps to store photos for instance? I assume not.

You assume wrong..


I do absolutely use multiple photo apps and services!

Lightroom (local), Photoshop (local), Google Photos (cloud), some on Flickr (cloud) and dabbling in iCloud (cloud) offering to see how it goes. I also have a complete offsite backup of the entire local library.

Photos are a wildly different situation than music.
 
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Regardless of your stance on Apple Music/streaming vs local storage, I think that we can all agree that we have all been had with this new Music app.

I'm not even connected to WiFi on my iPod Touch and it prompts me to sign in and I have to stare at a outlined graphic of a faceless person wanting me to pay for things clogging up the UI. Recently added? Why? I know what I have. Hearts? Feministic society.

:( It's so choppy and laggy too.
 
It's a free trial for 3 months, so what do you expect to pay for. Turn off auto renewal you won't get charged, that's 90days for free.
 
Apple Music makes you pay $120 a year for the rest of your life to listen to the 30 songs a year that actually mean something to you.

BJ

You live an incredibly sad existence if there are only 30 songs a year that you actually want to listen to. Great albums (top to bottom great) are still being released all the time. I recently dug through several websites lists of "Best of 2015 so far" and between that and stuff I've found on my own, I have found and fallen in love with about 20 albums so far this year. So Beats Music/Apple Music has essentially already paid for itself for nearly 2 years. These are albums I listen to consistently and am glad to pay my $10 a month to have access to all the time. It's not fleecing consumers.

If it isn't for you, that's fine. But it doesn't mean it isn't a consumer friendly service, because if you aren't someone with a very narrow musical palate, it's an incredible value proposition. I listen to most stuff through my sub service (whichever is offering the best value/user experience at the time), and maybe 2-3 times a year will spend $20 on a record for something I know I want to have that more tactile, focused experience with. Works for me.
 
What a strange thread. I have never thought of streaming on demand music to be the same as radio. Saying that listening to an entire album is the same thing as 30 second previews is like saying you read Moby Dick after skimming the Cliff Notes.

I have over 25,000 songs, so I have a lot of music already, but it is the tip of an iceberg. Yep, I have tons of Beatles music, so having one service that gives me access to them and nearly thirty million songs I don't own is the main upside to the service over the others ( with the exception of a Google Play, but I also value Siri integration).

Personally, I like the "For You" section, but I don't use it exclusively. I like listening to albums.
 
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I'll answer again: It's no different with the current model than with Apple Music. You can glean the artist/title from the FM or streamed station and then select any song you want to listen to by buying it for $0.99 cents if you deem it worthy. The issue is that you are paying for it monthly whether you want to or not, whether you took songs offline or just continued to listen to what you already took offline months or years prior. You are perpetually paying for a collection you don't own.



People make it sound like Apple Music is magic. It's not. It's programmed. It's curated. It's playcount driven. It's a popularity contest. It's a ridiculously narrow subset of the 30 Million Songs! everyone wants to talk about. "Discovering music on your own" means hunting and pecking through 30 Million songs until you have an a-ha moment and find something worthwhile. Listening to an Alternative Apple Music radio 'station', or an Apple Music "playlist", or an Apple Music "for you" is no different than turning on the rusty old FM radio and listening to an Alternative radio station from a discovery standpoint. You're not being exposed to 30 Million songs or 1 Million songs.....you're being exposed to a few thousand songs. The 'discovery' value of Apple Music is a myth. Unless you're going to play Apple Music Search Roulette and randomly type "Flying Bananas" into the box and see what comes up.



Discovery of new music is a wonderful thing. What I'm saying is that you'll discover no more/less great music or artists via your $120 a year Apple Music service as you would through your $0 FM radio. Whether called "Playlists", "For You", "iTunes Radio", "Beats 1" or something else, it's all just a mix of a small subset of millions of songs that someone or something has curated for you.

BJ

1) You know you can start and stop an Apple music subscription whenever you want right?

2) Apple Music is not programmed and curated although they do offer those options. You are not required to use them if you do not want to, you can just randomly type words in search and play music like thst if you want.

3) It is absurd to say you can discover the same amount of music on fm radio. These stations are all programmed by computer now to keep people listening to ridiculously long ad breaks. In fact I find it hard to take seriously anyone who even offers up fm radio as an option in 2015 when listening to music. Others have already pointed out why this comparison is impotent.

4) FM radio is not free. 8 minute ad breaks are extremely expensive to me. When I could actually be listening to music. Back when people still listened to fm radio you could sometimes get in your car and go beyond just the corner store and only hear commercials. How is that free?

The reality is with the amount of commercials fm stations might play 10-12 songs an hour from a playlist of 50 songs (bigger play list for oldies/era stations). The fact is though it is a horrible way to find new music. The music industry doesn't even care about fm radio anymore.
 
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