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Been a few years since I've actually put together a full 74-100 minute playlist that gelled, sadly.

Wow, loved the reference to High Fidelity, I haven’t watched that movie in so long... I bought it off iTunes, must have it archived someplace if it’s not still re-downloadable. And yah, of course I remember making mix tapes back when iTunes wasn’t even imagined. My cars are always ancient beasts, so even after I had iTunes and CD players in the house, I’d end up mixing a playlist to launch from an iPod via FM transmitter in the car, or else I’d burn the list to CD and then make a cassette tape using a boombox w/ CD and tape capability. Sure is easier with iTunes than with a pencil, paper, a bunch of home-brew radio tapes and a fresh one to stick the final decision onto (assuming i added up the timings right and everything I went for actually fit).

Cool cover! Even though Peyroux's voice isn't on the track, it certainly fits with her style. I have one album of hers and several tracks. Within that sort of modern torch singer (?), she's my favorite. As to the song itself, it's production feels more "up front" than the songs I posted, but in the feel of the performance itself I completely get what you mean, though in that sense, it feels pretty different than how I perceive Peyroux. Makes an interesting juxtaposition in my head.

Peyroux is terrific. I've ended up collecting tracks from more than a few of her albums. Great voice, range, diction, ear, sense of timing, manages to put them together in a way that lets studio tracks sound unrehearsed, which is not simple. First things I heard of hers were from the Bare Bones album. My niece popped the CD in to entertain us while she was cooking. I wanted to steal the thing after hearing a few tracks... this is Damn the Circumstances from that album.


Is it too much to propose she has what it takes to cover Cohen’s Dance Me to the End of Love? She’s brave to pick up the dare and I think manages to deliver on it.


The thing is, I do often enough prefer studio sessions because they’re usually engineered for good balance, and you can hear the lyrics (well that’s a big maybe any more with some bands). But I do scout around for live tracks, and once in awhile I run into something that, as you said, may have its assortment of flaws, but the performance is powerful enough that it either doesn't matter or the flaws enhance the overall effect.

I’m not one of the people who roundly dissed Nouvelle Vague for being kitschy or mocked their idea of reviving new wave using singers who’d never heard the originals, so I had enjoyed some of their offerings, including a studio take on In a Manner of Speaking. I had first heard the track when it ran under the closing credits of A Mighty Heart. It has been used in at least one other film as well.


But when I ran into a video of a live performance of that track in Portugal, from when Mélanie Pain was still with the band, I was really taken by it. She sometimes hesitates and then half-speaks the lyrics instead of singing them, or extends a beat as if to underscore the pain of having to say something for which there probably are no right words.


There are other live performance videos of the same track, where Mélanie Pain was still the vocalist, but in a lot of them it felt to me like she was no longer really able to be in that place of discovering the song for the audience even as she was singing it.

Sometimes the value of a studio track is that it was very fresh too once, even if behind it lay 54 rejected takes. The preserved in amber effect... and once in awhile those are a better bet than a live video from a weary stop #11 on a long tour. The trick for artists and producers is to figure out how to sound fresh and “live” in take #55 back home.
 
Wow, loved the reference to High Fidelity, I haven’t watched that movie in so long... I bought it off iTunes, must have it archived someplace if it’s not still re-downloadable.

It's the rare book that made its way to film with its spirit fully in tact -- despite a complete change of continent! My main gripe when it came out was one of the most memorable scenes in the book was cut. Fortunately, though it wasn't in the film (presumably for pacing), they did shoot it and include it on the DVD. Not sure if it is in the digital download version, but thankfully YouTube don't care:


And yah, of course I remember making mix tapes back when iTunes wasn’t even imagined. My cars are always ancient beasts, so even after I had iTunes and CD players in the house, I’d end up mixing a playlist to launch from an iPod via FM transmitter in the car, or else I’d burn the list to CD and then make a cassette tape using a boombox w/ CD and tape capability.
I recently bought a Bluetooth transmitter that plugs into the AUX in my mother's car so she could listen to her Amazon Prime music (which I had to setup and create a playlist of songs I know she loves) through her car speakers. It was important it be easy to use and work seamlessly with Google Maps on her iPhone since she just took her first solo long drive (5 hours to New York). It worked like a charm. Now, on my trip overseas, I need to figure out a solution for my sister's car, which may have an aftermarket AUX but I'm not sure. If not, hopefully I can find an FM transmitter out in that desert!

Sure is easier with iTunes than with a pencil, paper, a bunch of home-brew radio tapes and a fresh one to stick the final decision onto (assuming i added up the timings right and everything I went for actually fit).
Ain't it just? I remember the painstaking process when you realize you forgot a song or discovered a better sequence. What could be a 45 minute exercise in dubbing is now a two second exercise in click'n'drag. Well, sometimes it's 20 seconds since iTunes despises large libraries on external drives.
Peyroux is terrific. I've ended up collecting tracks from more than a few of her albums. Great voice, range, diction, ear, sense of timing, manages to put them together in a way that lets studio tracks sound unrehearsed, which is not simple.
That captures what puts her above others for me: "diction, ear and sense timing." Together it makes it so that covers, like the excellent Cohen cover you posted, both hew to the original's characteristics but is melded to her strengths. So many interpreters simply slow a tempo to a crawl or add vocal filigrees that undercut any immediacy or intimacy of the originals in favor of superfluous stylings. She doesn't do that.
First things I heard of hers were from the Bare Bones album. My niece popped the CD in to entertain us while she was cooking. I wanted to steal the thing after hearing a few tracks... this is Damn the Circumstances from that album.

Nice! I only sampled it. Came home an hour ago with a few new purchases (detailed at the bottom of this post). They're now in iTunes, on my iPhone and in Google's cloud -- so I can kick back and enjoy on this, one of my last two nights until August with a real stereo.
Is it too much to propose she has what it takes to cover Cohen’s Dance Me to the End of Love? She’s brave to pick up the dare and I think manages to deliver on it.

This is one of the first songs I heard her perform. Is it from the Careless Love album? I'm too lazy to check. That's the only one I have in full, though I have a smattering of others.
The thing is, I do often enough prefer studio sessions because they’re usually engineered for good balance, and you can hear the lyrics (well that’s a big maybe any more with some bands). But I do scout around for live tracks, and once in awhile I run into something that, as you said, may have its assortment of flaws, but the performance is powerful enough that it either doesn't matter or the flaws enhance the overall effect.
No doubt. It's not that I'm anti-studio at all. Just that I see great value in the other, much rarer aesthetic. So rare, in fact, that I think I'm more instantaneously drawn in. At least with more stripped down music. Not a big fan of sloppy "rock" or live concerts. As you wisely point out, the balance is usually sacrificed, anachronistic overdubs can be more easily spotted and the performances are usually geared towards that audience, not living rooms.

I’m not one of the people who roundly dissed Nouvelle Vague for being kitschy or mocked their idea of reviving new wave using singers who’d never heard the originals, so I had enjoyed some of their offerings, including a studio take on In a Manner of Speaking. I had first heard the track when it ran under the closing credits of A Mighty Heart. It has been used in at least one other film as well.

I love some kitsch. This is now in my "Watch Later" YouTube queue. Hopefully tomorrow.
But when I ran into a video of a live performance of that track in Portugal, from when Mélanie Pain was still with the band, I was really taken by it. She sometimes hesitates and then half-speaks the lyrics instead of singing them, or extends a beat as if to underscore the pain of having to say something for which there probably are no right words.
Isn't that a beautiful thing? The first album where I encountered it was, of all things a studio album produced by Daniel Lanois, who's known for perfectionism. In 1995, he recorded Wrecking Ball with Emmylou Harris. It's a pretty incredible album that's a coherent song cycle despite being nearly all covers. Anyway, her vocals were recorded live in the studio with the basic band. She's no slouch when it comes to controlling her voice and she has strong mic technique, and yet in this recording she often sounds like she backs away from the microphone. When I first heard it, some of those trailing phrases and the voice -- once too gossamer for my taste, had this emotive, worn-in character -- hypnotized me. I must've listened to the album two dozen times before even thinking about the lyrics or looking in the lyric book. I just wanted that mood. I'm always on the hunt for more of that. It seems it most likely has to be done accidentally.


There are other live performance videos of the same track, where Mélanie Pain was still the vocalist, but in a lot of them it felt to me like she was no longer really able to be in that place of discovering the song for the audience even as she was singing it.
Also queued. I can smell dinner. Time to enjoy the stereo.
Sometimes the value of a studio track is that it was very fresh too once, even if behind it lay 54 rejected takes. The preserved in amber effect... and once in awhile those are a better bet than a live video from a weary stop #11 on a long tour. The trick for artists and producers is to figure out how to sound fresh and “live” in take #55 back home.

Absolutely. That goes for stuff captured serendipitously fast or that was toiled over for 100+ takes (I'm looking at you, "White Album". Reading random accounts of magic and drudgery in the studio can be fascinating.

Okay. Time to stuff my head until the food falls into my stomach.

I've finally caught up with 1997. Today I spontaneously splurged on the 20th anniversary reissue of Radiohead's OK Computer, an album I've never owned. The 2-disc version includes a number of b-sides and four unreleased contemporaneous tracks. I've tried to find reviews of the sonics first but finally gave up. After reading several reviews today I discovered that Bob Ludwig did the remaster, though, so I'm satisfied. Looking forward to it. In the process, I learned that there's a live version of "Exit Music (for a Film)" on one of the pricy iterations of this release. I checked Google Play, but they don't have it. In the process, I saw that Amanda Palmer (wife of Neil Gaiman) recorded an EP of Radiohead covers including that song. I headed over to Bandcamp to see if they have it in lossless. Indeed, they do, and for a "name your own price" ($1+). I dropped a couple shekels in her tip jar, now I'm off to the races. It should be a fun night. I mean, I hear Radiohead's full of sunshine and lollipops!
 

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Ah, memories.

I was given that album as a gift by a male friend who loved it when I was an undergrad.

I recently bought a Bluetooth transmitter that plugs into the AUX in my mother's car so she could listen to her Amazon Prime music (which I had to setup and create a playlist of songs I know she loves) through her car speakers. It was important it be easy to use and work seamlessly with Google Maps on her iPhone since she just took her first solo long drive (5 hours to New York). It worked like a charm. Now, on my trip overseas, I need to figure out a solution for my sister's car, which may have an aftermarket AUX but I'm not sure. If not, hopefully I can find an FM transmitter out in that desert!


Ain't it just? I remember the painstaking process when you realize you forgot a song or discovered a better sequence. What could be a 45 minute exercise in dubbing is now a two second exercise in click'n'drag. Well, sometimes it's 20 seconds since iTunes despises large libraries on external drives.

That captures what puts her above others for me: "diction, ear and sense timing." Together it makes it so that covers, like the excellent Cohen cover you posted, both hew to the original's characteristics but is melded to her strengths. So many interpreters simply slow a tempo to a crawl or add vocal filigrees that undercut any immediacy or intimacy of the originals in favor of superfluous stylings. She doesn't do that.

Nice! I only sampled it. Came home an hour ago with a few new purchases (detailed at the bottom of this post). They're now in iTunes, on my iPhone and in Google's cloud -- so I can kick back and enjoy on this, one of my last two nights until August with a real stereo.

This is one of the first songs I heard her perform. Is it from the Careless Love album? I'm too lazy to check. That's the only one I have in full, though I have a smattering of others.

No doubt. It's not that I'm anti-studio at all. Just that I see great value in the other, much rarer aesthetic. So rare, in fact, that I think I'm more instantaneously drawn in. At least with more stripped down music. Not a big fan of sloppy "rock" or live concerts. As you wisely point out, the balance is usually sacrificed, anachronistic overdubs can be more easily spotted and the performances are usually geared towards that audience, not living rooms.


I love some kitsch. This is now in my "Watch Later" YouTube queue. Hopefully tomorrow.

Isn't that a beautiful thing? The first album where I encountered it was, of all things a studio album produced by Daniel Lanois, who's known for perfectionism. In 1995, he recorded Wrecking Ball with Emmylou Harris. It's a pretty incredible album that's a coherent song cycle despite being nearly all covers. Anyway, her vocals were recorded live in the studio with the basic band. She's no slouch when it comes to controlling her voice and she has strong mic technique, and yet in this recording she often sounds like she backs away from the microphone. When I first heard it, some of those trailing phrases and the voice -- once too gossamer for my taste, had this emotive, worn-in character -- hypnotized me. I must've listened to the album two dozen times before even thinking about the lyrics or looking in the lyric book. I just wanted that mood. I'm always on the hunt for more of that. It seems it most likely has to be done accidentally.


Also queued. I can smell dinner. Time to enjoy the stereo.


Absolutely. That goes for stuff captured serendipitously fast or that was toiled over for 100+ takes (I'm looking at you, "White Album". Reading random accounts of magic and drudgery in the studio can be fascinating.

Okay. Time to stuff my head until the food falls into my stomach.

I've finally caught up with 1997. Today I spontaneously splurged on the 20th anniversary reissue of Radiohead's OK Computer, an album I've never owned. The 2-disc version includes a number of b-sides and four unreleased contemporaneous tracks. I've tried to find reviews of the sonics first but finally gave up. After reading several reviews today I discovered that Bob Ludwig did the remaster, though, so I'm satisfied. Looking forward to it. In the process, I learned that there's a live version of "Exit Music (for a Film)" on one of the pricy iterations of this release. I checked Google Play, but they don't have it. In the process, I saw that Amanda Palmer (wife of Neil Gaiman) recorded an EP of Radiohead covers including that song. I headed over to Bandcamp to see if they have it in lossless. Indeed, they do, and for a "name your own price" ($1+). I dropped a couple shekels in her tip jar, now I'm off to the races. It should be a fun night. I mean, I hear Radiohead's full of sunshine and lollipops!

Enjoyed this post.

On the version of Arthur Lee's wonderful album "Love Forever Changes" that I have, one of the bonus tacks includes some of the forty something takes that he insisted on before one of the tracks had been recorded to his satisfaction.

Fascinating listening.

And, for my part, I am listening to "Air".
 
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I must've listened to the [Wrecking Ball] album two dozen times before even thinking about the lyrics or looking in the lyric book. I just wanted that mood. I'm always on the hunt for more of that. It seems it most likely has to be done accidentally.

Yep. Not even Google is any good at searching for what we don't know what to call what we're looking for... I've sure burned up a lot of bandwidth that way sometimes.

I've finally caught up with 1997. Today I spontaneously splurged on the 20th anniversary reissue of Radiohead's OK Computer, an album I've never owned. The 2-disc version includes a number of b-sides and four unreleased contemporaneous tracks.

Yah, Radiohead. With In Rainbows, I fell in love with what I later read were the more accessible (and so to some fans, the less desirable) tracks on that album, which at first made me hesitate to discover their earlier works.

One of the bros laughed at me over that one: “you spent years listening to stuff didn’t even have time signatures or a key and you’re afraid to listen to OK Computer???”

I think he was exaggerating a little in referring to the likes of Schoenberg, but anyway that cost me the price of the OK Computer album, of course. And about time too. I do like it, but my heart belongs to the likes of Faust Arb and Weird Fishes / Arpeggi from that later album.

Today for me, time spent with music that has keys and time signatures but with disruptions wickedly thrown in now and then by jazz guitarist, composer, singer Lionel Loueke. He thinks nothing of writing a stretch for his trio in 33/8 with odd-beat bars thrown in here and there amongst stretches of 6/8. All we hear is... something rich and complex... and it’s gone like water over pebbles. File under I like to listen, don’t think I could keep up the pace as a band member. Today though I found a great video where he went solo live for a radio program.


After that another ace at disruption, jazz composer and artist Esperanza Spalding. Ran into a keeper, a live performance of Really Very Small. It’s somewhat atonal, could take a little getting used to. She is so amazing and this is a beautiful example.

 
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Okay, this time I actually will be brief. Probably. Doing one final iPhone backup before hustling out of the house. Spending the night nearer the airport to save myself a lot of likely rush hour traffic -- the only thing about DC worse than the politicians! And the weather... and the potholes. Nah, the politicians are worse. Anyhow... all music links will be added to my queue. Let's see if the airplane actually has WiFi and that it allows YouTubin'.

Yep. Not even Google is any good at searching for what we don't know what to call what we're looking for... I've sure burned up a lot of bandwidth that way sometimes.

Yah, Radiohead. With In Rainbows, I fell in love with what I later read were the more accessible (and so to some fans, the less desirable) tracks on that album, which at first made me hesitate to discover their earlier works.
I bought that album upon release. Most of it went past me but I genuinely love "Faust Arp" and "Reckoner." I vaguely remember Arpeggi and think I liked it, too. Too much music to not forget some. I forget which, but one of those songs goes nicely with Modest Mouse's "World at Large" (or maybe "Blame It on the Tetons") off Good News for People Who Love Bad News.
One of the bros laughed at me over that one: “you spent years listening to stuff didn’t even have time signatures or a key and you’re afraid to listen to OK Computer???”
OK Computer came out during one of my blindspot years where I didn't listen to much music. They happen. By the time it really hit my radar Kid A was released and I listened to a fair bit of that (I didn't own it, but a customer at the store lent it to me to play in our rotation). A few years ago I grabbed Amnesiac. I enjoyed listening to it in the few times but it didn't stick.

Adventurous stuff (like Schoenberg or even Ornette Coleman, about whom I know just enough to not know how inappropriate this reference is) ain't my cup o'tea. Yet. Well, occasionally, but not consistently. My personal analogy to your brothers were my regular customers at the music store. I often got teased by a few for how much of my music had rudimentary beats (think Beatles, garage rock, etc.).
I think he was exaggerating a little in referring to the likes of Schoenberg, but anyway that cost me the price of the OK Computer album, of course. And about time too. I do like it, but my heart belongs to the likes of Faust Arb and Weird Fishes / Arpeggi from that later album.
I listened to the first few cuts of each disc today. It'll take awhile. No doubt the instrumental arrangements struck some personal chords but Yorke's vocals are more meandering than I tend to like, so it'll take some time and effort on many of the songs. Trouble is, I don't like "listening to music in the background," so when I can't focus on it to some degree I do something else. Having significant concentration issues lately.
Today for me, time spent with music that has keys and time signatures but with disruptions wickedly thrown in now and then by jazz guitarist, composer, singer Lionel Loueke. He thinks nothing of writing a stretch for his trio in 33/8 with odd-beat bars thrown in here and there amongst stretches of 6/8. All we hear is... something rich and complex... and it’s gone like water over pebbles. File under I like to listen, don’t think I could keep up the pace as a band member. Today though I found a great video where he went solo live for a radio program.

Cool!
After that another ace at disruption, jazz composer and artist Esperanza Spalding. Ran into a keeper, a live performance of Really Very Small. It’s somewhat atonal, could take a little getting used to. She is so amazing and this is a beautiful example.

I really need to check her out. I remember her debut being one of those lightning albums that hit lots of "PazzJop"-type lists. My former Universal Records rep constantly touted her to me even though I'm in no position to sell more than the single unit I might buy!
 

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Yep. Not even Google is any good at searching for what we don't know what to call what we're looking for... I've sure burned up a lot of bandwidth that way sometimes.



Yah, Radiohead. With In Rainbows, I fell in love with what I later read were the more accessible (and so to some fans, the less desirable) tracks on that album, which at first made me hesitate to discover their earlier works.

One of the bros laughed at me over that one: “you spent years listening to stuff didn’t even have time signatures or a key and you’re afraid to listen to OK Computer???”

I think he was exaggerating a little in referring to the likes of Schoenberg, but anyway that cost me the price of the OK Computer album, of course. And about time too. I do like it, but my heart belongs to the likes of Faust Arb and Weird Fishes / Arpeggi from that later album.

Today for me, time spent with music that has keys and time signatures but with disruptions wickedly thrown in now and then by jazz guitarist, composer, singer Lionel Loueke. He thinks nothing of writing a stretch for his trio in 33/8 with odd-beat bars thrown in here and there amongst stretches of 6/8. All we hear is... something rich and complex... and it’s gone like water over pebbles. File under I like to listen, don’t think I could keep up the pace as a band member. Today though I found a great video where he went solo live for a radio program.


After that another ace at disruption, jazz composer and artist Esperanza Spalding. Ran into a keeper, a live performance of Really Very Small. It’s somewhat atonal, could take a little getting used to. She is so amazing and this is a beautiful example.


Great post.

Okay, this time I actually will be brief. Probably. Doing one final iPhone backup before hustling out of the house. Spending the night nearer the airport to save myself a lot of likely rush hour traffic -- the only thing about DC worse than the politicians! And the weather... and the potholes. Nah, the politicians are worse. Anyhow... all music links will be added to my queue. Let's see if the airplane actually has WiFi and that it allows YouTubin'.


I bought that album upon release. Most of it went past me but I genuinely love "Faust Arp" and "Reckoner." I vaguely remember Arpeggi and think I liked it, too. Too much music to not forget some. I forget which, but one of those songs goes nicely with Modest Mouse's "World at Large" (or maybe "Blame It on the Tetons") off Good News for People Who Love Bad News.

OK Computer came out during one of my blindspot years where I didn't listen to much music. They happen. By the time it really hit my radar Kid A was released and I listened to a fair bit of that (I didn't own it, but a customer at the store lent it to me to play in our rotation). A few years ago I grabbed Amnesiac. I enjoyed listening to it in the few times but it didn't stick.

Adventurous stuff (like Schoenberg or even Ornette Coleman, about whom I know just enough to not know how inappropriate this reference is) ain't my cup o'tea. Yet. Well, occasionally, but not consistently. My personal analogy to your brothers were my regular customers at the music store. I often got teased by a few for how much of my music had rudimentary beats (think Beatles, garage rock, etc.).

I listened to the first few cuts of each disc today. It'll take awhile. No doubt the instrumental arrangements struck some personal chords but Yorke's vocals are more meandering than I tend to like, so it'll take some time and effort on many of the songs. Trouble is, I don't like "listening to music in the background," so when I can't focus on it to some degree I do something else. Having significant concentration issues lately.

Cool!

I really need to check her out. I remember her debut being one of those lightning albums that hit lots of "PazzJop"-type lists. My former Universal Records rep constantly touted her to me even though I'm in no position to sell more than the single unit I might buy!

The thing is, I do like "listening to music in the background" especially when I am researching, reading material intensely, and thinking about putting thoughts (of a politically analytically nature) on paper.

But, only certain types of music, and especially not the discordant stuff. Something like Air, or Allah-Las, that I spent hours listening to last night (as I was doing a lot of intensive background reading and researching, and thinking - of the 'jigsaw construction', or 'mosaic building' - kind).

As for politician, well, there is a school of thought that says they reflect the society that elects them.

Besides, they are an easy target - too easy - and are accountable in that they can be dismissed at the ballot box (in a democracy, at least) while casting a ballot during an election, unlike other elites.

While there is an argument that the US is offering an unusually dismal example to the western world (or the entire world) just now, remember, howsoever flawed the system is, they were - and are - elected. Continuous sneering at politicians adds to a corrosive cynicism, which is not altogether good for the health of a democracy.

I have worked in countries where such things as elections are regarded as luxuries, and, where government changes hands by murder, revolution, or coup d'etat.

I have also worked in places where government is vaguely nepotistic, and such changes as occur are 'spontaneously encouraged' forms of acclamation.

And, indeed, I the worked in countries where whole new branches of mathematics would need to be studied (closely) in order to fully comprehend and make some sort of sense of what comes out of the ballot box - turnouts of 160% anyone?

In our world, we have some sort of say in who governs us - and can recall them and dismiss them - that is a privilege (not a right) that - even now - most of the world is denied, and one we should cherish.

As for music, I spent hours with Allah-Las (one of my latest discoveries) last night, after I had finish with The Stranglers.
 

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The thing is, I do like "listening to music in the background" especially when I am researching, reading material intensely, and thinking about putting thoughts (of a politically analytically nature) on paper.

I too can listen to some kinds of music in background and still focus on what I'm reading or working on, others no. Sometimes even stuff that has vocals in it, although not if it's new to me. Tonight I was paying attention just to the music for awhile, since I bumped into a Brahms song cycle I didn't know.

Brahms, 15 Romanzen aus Ludwig Tieck’s “Magelone”, Op. 33 - sung by Christian Gerhaher.​

These are wonderful if you like German song cycles; somehow I never ran into this set while I was in school. I used to work in the music libary a couple nights a week. I got paid $40 a month in 1960s dollars, but I also used to borrow recordings as a bonus, which was permitted to the library workers. They didn’t have the Magelone cycle, or not as sung by Gerhaher: he wasn’t even born yet when I was in school.

Mr. Gerhaher is sharp-tongued in his critique of texts he has thought unsuitable for setting to music, and has apparently declined to sing some of them. Presumably he liked the ones for the Magelone cycle. Here’s what he had to say about the poems of Felix Dahn, however:

Reading poetry — out loud, repeatedly, until the words reveal their full colors — is the basis of Mr. Gerhaher’s art. Among his favorite authors are Goethe and Shakespeare, but also German Romantic poets like Brentano and Eichendorff and the French Symbolists. His love for Schubert and Schumann is also fed by his admiration for their taste in poetry. But he is merciless in his judgment of some of the texts set by Brahms and Strauss, whose settings of syrupy poems by Felix Dahn in “Mädchenblumen” he singled out for special derision.

“I still feel too young to sing bad texts,” he said dryly. “But who knows, maybe eventually I will reach the necessary maturity to appreciate even those.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/...sings-winterreise-without-all-the-frills.html


Here’s the ninth song in the Magalone cycle



If one likes Gerhaher , there’s a good recording of the Brahms German Requiem w/ Christine Schafer, Gerhaher, Münchner Philharmoniker / Christian Thielemann conducting. Both singers are aces in their respective ranges.
 
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The thing is, I do like "listening to music in the background" especially when I am researching, reading material intensely, and thinking about putting thoughts (of a politically analytically nature) on paper.

I wish I worked that way. When I'm deep into a project the whole world falls away -- or the music pulls me in its direction. I do need something in the background, but I go with talk radio. Never the invective stuff and not generally politics. More arts, human interest, etc. Somehow that gets into my brain.

But, only certain types of music, and especially not the discordant stuff. Something like Air, or Allah-Las, that I spent hours listening to last night (as I was doing a lot of intensive background reading and researching, and thinking - of the 'jigsaw construction', or 'mosaic building' - kind).

I could definitely see something like Air working. Or music in a language I don't know (read: anything but English)... on the other hand, it'll still draw me into it. I don't know Allah-Las, so that's going on my playlist after @LizKat's recommendations.

As for politician, well, there is a school of thought that says they reflect the society that elects them.

I agree (and these days it makes me queasy). I only threw the line in there for a cheap yuk.

Besides, they are an easy target - too easy - and are accountable in that they can be dismissed at the ballot box (in a democracy, at least) while casting a ballot during an election, unlike other elites.

While there is an argument that the US is offering an unusually dismal example to the western world (or the entire world) just now, remember, howsoever flawed the system is, they were - and are - elected. Continuous sneering at politicians adds to a corrosive cynicism, which is not altogether good for the health of a democracy.

Like I said, it wasn't meant to be a deep or earnest cut. Living in the D.C. area, it's practically a pastime. Same with lawyer jokes, etc.

I have worked in countries where such things as elections are regarded as luxuries, and, where government changes hands by murder, revolution, or coup d'etat.

I have also worked in places where government is vaguely nepotistic, and such changes as occur are 'spontaneously encouraged' forms of acclamation.

And, indeed, I the worked in countries where whole new branches of mathematics would need to be studied (closely) in order to fully comprehend and make some sort of sense of what comes out of the ballot box - turnouts of 160% anyone?

In our world, we have some sort of say in who governs us - and can recall them and dismiss them - that is a privilege (not a right) that - even now - most of the world is denied, and one we should cherish.

All valid points, with which none I disagree.

As for music, I spent hours with Allah-Las (one of my latest discoveries) last night, after I had finish with The Stranglers.
No music right now here. I purged a bunch from my phone (stuff I won't listen to while I'm away) to make room for gobs of podcasts on a range of subjects. Starting off with music, though: Episodes of Something About the Beatles focused on, respectively, "Paperback Writer/Rain," "Take Me to the Bridge -- Beatles Middle 8s Examined" then "Sgt. Pepper at 50." Not just relaxing and interesting (to me), but they're enormous files so getting the out of the way will make room.

After that, a mix of philosophy, politics, and film -- in whatever order comes to mind. Anything to forget that kinky TSA pat-down I just got. My own fault. Forgot to take one credit card out of my right buttock pocket. The guy was very professional -- even if he didn't propose to me afterwards.
 
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^^ I always wanted to have a What Podcasts are You Listening To? in the Community Discussion forum, but then realized it would doubtless land in PRSI forum no matter that there are plenty podcasts unrelated to politics per se.

As far as my own subscriptions and individual downloads right now, I've been too lazy or otherwise engaged to catch up on a bunch of back files. Not all of them are political, either. Or not intended to be so. I'm determined not to ditch all of them unheard, so there's another project for the undone pile. I stopped refreshing the podcast list so I won't be so intimidated when I revisit the library I keep them in. I'm sort of interested in finding out what Axe Files host and any of his guests have to say about Trump v Chicago, if anything, but that's not suited for this thread, that's for osure.

Bon voyage... maybe you should start a What Podcasts are You Listening To thread over in PRSI !!
 

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Listening to Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini by Rachmaninov. It's more than just the "famous part", though that part (the 18th variation) is exquisite, and popular for a reason.

Bon voyage... maybe you should start a What Podcasts are You Listening To thread over in PRSI !!

I'd like to see a podcast thread too :)
 

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It's summertime, time to relax, so I'm currently listening to Ottmar Liebert. Songs of choice:

Heart Still Beating:

This one was done live, with a very stripped down version of his band, Luna Negra. This was from his first album, Nouveau Flamenco, back in 1990, though this live version was from 2007.

Next, is Ballad 4 Santana:


I have a copy of this live, but can't find a relative video of it on youtube, so you're being treated to the album version, which is on Innamorare: Summer Flamenco. Regardless, Luna Negra XL did this one, with 2 percussionists, and a horn section. When he plays this live, he'll switch to an electric guitar towards the latter part of the song, and does channel classic Carlos Santana. Either way, just wonderful relaxing pieces for the summer.

BL.
 
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They are sick!
Have most of their albums..
[doublepost=1499690260][/doublepost]Here's some good sh** to start this Monday with -
Sasquatch's new album - "Maneuvers"
Cool cover too!

Sasquatch is one of those bands who nobody knows yet they are one kick ass band once you do find them. Glad to hear they have a new album!

If you are into Clutch, the side band is pretty darn good too!

The Company Band:

 
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Listening to Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini by Rachmaninov. It's more than just the "famous part", though that part (the 18th variation) is exquisite, and popular for a reason.



I'd like to see a podcast thread too :)

Great piece. I love Rachmaninov.

This evening, I am listening to Dire Straits; some of their stuff was brilliant, classics such as "Sultans of Swing", "Tunnel of Love", "Love Over Gold", "Private Investigations", "Brothers In Arms", "Romeo and Juliet", "Walk of Life", and "Going Home" among others.
 
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Actually, I am on a binge night of Dire Straits - I had forgotten how bloody brilliant they are. Or were.....
An Excellent choice.
I had a mix of Guns And Roses today and Queen.

Got me through the day!
One Vision
It's a kind of Magic
November Rain
Paradise City
Live and Let Die
Sweet Child of mine
Who wants to live forever.

Each a classic.
 

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Someone threw in a passing reference to Pearl Jam in some post somewhere around here yesterday, and it's sure been awhile since I heard anything of theirs. So I dug up Black and a few other tracks and played those cranked way up to get conscious this morning. Worked great, and the cats vanished from underfoot, too, poor things. I am not sure I would do that every day though. Baroque chamber or keyboard more my choice w/ coffee in the morning.
 

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Great piece. I love Rachmaninov.

This evening, I am listening to Dire Straits; some of their stuff was brilliant, classics such as "Sultans of Swing", "Tunnel of Love", "Love Over Gold", "Private Investigations", "Brothers In Arms", "Romeo and Juliet", "Walk of Life", and "Going Home" among others.

They are one of my favorites.
 
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