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I can think of one person who would skin a ginger tom and solicit the services of a woman of the night.

But, she is not 'a woman of the night'; she is a journalist and the protagonist, and the point is not what he (or, any he) would solicit, but that a woman deprived of sleep for three straight nights and in stunned shock at the appalling murder of a sibling, would be making "come to bed eyes". She wouldn't.
 
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But, she is not 'a woman of the night'; she is a journalist and the protagonist, and the point is not what he (or, any he) would solicit, but that a woman deprived of sleep for three straight nights and in stunned shock at the appalling murder of a sibling, would be making "come to bed eyes". She wouldn't.
I'm aware of that. I was providing an example of some people out there... who may be lacking somewhere who'll behave like that. I've seen my fair share of badly written female characters, whether main or secondary. Also, it's been a while since I've made a jab at a certain someone.

On the other hand, I've read books with male main characters written by women that accurately portray men. I'm not sure what's up with the disconnect on men writing female characters. The phrasing, "come to bed eyes" makes no sense when you think about what the author is trying to say. It's poorly written and sexist.
 
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I'm are of that. I was providing an example of some people out there... who may be lacking somewhere who'll behave like that. I've seen my fair share of badly written female characters, whether main or secondary. Also, it's been a while since I've made a jab at a certain someone.

On the other hand, I've read books with male main characters written by women that accurately portray men. I'm not sure what's up with the disconnect on men writing female characters. The phrasing, "come to bed eyes" makes no sense when you think about what the author is trying to say. It's poorly written and sexist.

Fair point, and I agree with you.

Re male authors writing women, I think some male authors have difficulty envisaging women as human people, and can only conceive of them through the grimy filter of the gendered lens of sexuality.

Not sure who the 'certain someone' is, but, perhaps, that is best left unexplored.
 

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I can think of one person who would skin a ginger tom and solicit the services of a woman of the night.

Yeah but he's not here now. [I may have made a free association to some ghost of PRSI].

What I am reading now are three books connected only by the fact that "the princess of the Portuguese language" (the Brazilian modernist writer Clarice Lispector, 1920-1977) was born in the southwest of what is now Ukraine while her mother, fleeing a pogrom further east, was en route to northeastern Brazil, and the fact that Benjamin Moser's extensive and multilingual bibliography of Lispector referenced a history of Ukraine that happened to pique my interest.

So one book is Borderland, a history of Ukraine by Anna Reid.

Another is Why This World, a bio of Lispector by Benjamin Moser who has also translated many works of Lispector from the Portuguese. His translation of Lispector's Chandelier has just come out; it is the first English translation of that work. Moser has been responsible for renewed interest in Lispector and for encouraging some re-translations of her works that were well known enough to have been translated to English early on.

The third book open on my desktop now is Água Viva, one of Clarice Lispector's works, translated by Stefan Tobler and edited by Moser. It is not my favorite of Lispector's writings, since that would be The Hour of the Star unless someone raises the author from the dead and she resumes writing. Still, some of the aphorisms in Água Viva are stunning, and a good thing too as otherwise there'd be no place to stop for a moment: one gets aboard her train of thought in that thing and there seems no sensible reason or place to exit. Still when you hit something like this it can give pause:

And when I am born, I become free.
That is the foundation of my tragedy.

-- Clarice Lispector, in Água Viva


A caution: while the main point of Lispector's novels may hardly be plot, the bio is certainly full of spoilers if you can't read any novel while knowing in advance how things "turn out". On the other hand she may not have been who categorized any of her work as to genre, at least while she was constructing its scaffolding (or letting it happen). Someone compared her works to the ever unfinished if towering structures and spires of the basilica and World Heritage site in Barcelona, the Sagrada Família, and there's at least one admirer of Lispector who read a single one of her books 111 times, so... spoilers are maybe not such a big deal in this case.

Another caution: Lispector's not an easy read. I recommend this review of Chandelier not for its take on that novel but for its preview for unfamiliar readers of the obstacles they may encounter.


There could be a reason why someone reads one of Lispector's books 111 times, and it might not be that it's just memorable prose. Perhaps sometimes less unforgettable than ungettable? Or... so intimately every human's experience that we don't want to discover or acknowledge that it's ours too.
 
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Yeah but he's not here now. [I may have made a free association to some ghost of PRSI].

What I am reading now are three books connected only by the fact that "the princess of the Portuguese language" (the Brazilian modernist writer Clarice Lispector, 1920-1977) was born in the southwest of what is now Ukraine while her mother, fleeing a pogrom further east, was en route to northeastern Brazil, and the fact that Benjamin Moser's extensive and multilingual bibliography of Lispector referenced a history of Ukraine that happened to pique my interest.

So one book is Borderland, a history of Ukraine by Anne Reid.

Another is Why This World, a bio of Lispector by Benjamin Moser who has also translated many works of Lispector from the Portuguese. His translation of Lispector's Chandelier has just come out; it is the first English translation of that work. Moser has been responsible for renewed interest in Lispector and for encouraging some re-translations of her works that were well known enough to have been translated to English early on.

The third book open on my desktop now is Água Viva, one of Clarice Lispector's works, translated by Stefan Tobler and edited by Moser. It is not my favorite of Lispector's writings, since that would be The Hour of the Star unless someone raises the author from the dead and she resumes writing. Still, some of the aphorisms in Água Viva are stunning, and a good thing too as otherwise there'd be no place to stop for a moment: one gets aboard her train of thought in that thing and there seems no sensible reason or place to exit. Still when you hit something like this it can give pause:

And when I am born, I become free.
That is the foundation of my tragedy.

-- Clarice Lispector, in Água Viva


A caution: while the main point of Lispector's novels may hardly be plot, the bio is certainly full of spoilers if you can't read any novel while knowing in advance how things "turn out". On the other hand she may not have been who categorized any of her work as to genre, at least while she was constructing its scaffolding (or letting it happen). Someone compared her works to the ever unfinished if towering structures and spires of the basilica and World Heritage site in Barcelona, the Sagrada Família) and there's at least one admirer of Lispector who read a single one of her books 111 times, so... spoilers are maybe not such a big deal in this case.

Another caution: Lispector's not an easy read. I recommend this review of Chandelier not for its take on that novel but for its preview for unfamiliar readers of the obstacles they may encounter.


There could be a reason why someone reads one of Lispector's books 111 times, and it might not be that it's just memorable prose. Perhaps sometimes less unforgettable than ungettable? Or... so intimately every human's experience that we don't want to discover or acknowledge that it's ours too.

Great and beautifully written post; I've read Borderland - and thoroughly recommend it.
 

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Great and beautifully written post; I've read Borderland - and thoroughly recommend it.

I just noticed I have the author's first name misspelled. She's Anna Reid. Fixing it right now.

Yes I am enjoying that book a lot. I had no idea really of the older history of Ukraine, I mean the "way way back" history, so it's been eye opening on every page so far. It is indeed a borderland and always has been. So many invasions and partitions and regroupings.
 

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Fair point, and I agree with you.

Re male authors writing women, I think some male authors have difficulty envisaging women as human people, and can only conceive of them through the grimy filter of the gendered lens of sexuality.

Not sure who the 'certain someone' is, but, perhaps, that is best left unexplored.

Yeah but he's not here now. [I may have made a free association to some ghost of PRSI].

As they say, sex sells. While I don't read Dan Brown, I've read his female characters whom he chooses to sexualize are equally bad. I don't doubt for a second there are scores of women authors who'll write such passages, too. Going back to the Twitter passage, I came across a music video earlier where a couple in a green grocers have flashbacks to a night of reckless sex in the manner of destroying their living room and slamming each other into the walls and destroying paintings and artwork using each other's head.

I sincerely doubt this happens in real life in young adults in their late 20s and early 30s. Even if you had the sex drive of 20 teenagers you wouldn't be so reckless. The video was on one of those auto queue things and I think it was some Nordic soft-rock/rock. All I could think was "Oh, that's going to hurt them for a while," and, "there goes about $4,000 in knicknacks."
 
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In a coffee shop.
As they say, sex sells. While I don't read Dan Brown, I've read his female characters whom he chooses to sexualize are equally bad. I don't doubt for a second there are scores of women authors who'll write such passages, too. Going back to the Twitter passage, I came across a music video earlier where a couple in a green grocers have flashbacks to a night of reckless sex in the manner of destroying their living room and slamming each other into the walls and destroying paintings and artwork using each other's head.

I sincerely doubt this happens in real life in young adults in their late 20s and early 30s. Even if you had the sex drive of 20 teenagers you wouldn't be so reckless. The video was on one of those auto queue things and I think it was some Nordic soft-rock/rock. All I could think was "Oh, that's going to hurt them for a while," and, "there goes about $4,000 in knicknacks."

Dan Brown's female characters are so one dimensional and trite that to describe them as a cliché is to do a disservice to that word.
 
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Just finished -

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Bit disappointed with this one. Unlike his others (which have really impressed me) this book, despite some really memorable observational gems, is a bit incoherent and ranty. It's like a verbal sketchbook for the 'painting' that is Antifragile.
 
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Aside from the opinions on him personally, his knowledge and experience in startups are without a doubt. Few pages in and so far good book.
 
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Chaitanya Bhagavata. Fantastic authentic history of Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and His associates including Nityananda Prabhu, Advaita Acharya, Gadadhara Pandita and Srivasa Pandita. These five are known as the Pancha-tattva.
 

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Now, that is a book I haven't come across; do let me know how you find it, as I think I might find such a work extremely interesting.
It isn't so much a book as it's an encyclopedia to cheeses, techniques, steps, well-known fromageries, animal (cows, goat, sheep, ewe, etc.) milks, dairy organizations, famous individuals, historical practices (such as what the Aztecs or Egyptians made and used and how they decided what to put cheese on). It's all alphabetized. It's a mix of everything in each section under each alphabet. I would definitely recommend checking a physical copy in person if you can find one before purchasing.

It does have an index at the back allowing you to quickly search for specific topics, cheeses, practices, pioneers of cheese making and so on.
 
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Recently finished Anatomy of Terror: From the Death of Bin Laden to the Rise of the Islamic State by Ali Soufan, which was great, and Born a Crime by Trevor Noah - also great, he's lived a much crazier life than I'd imagined...

next up is American Radical by Tamer Elnoury, want to get the audio book so I can listen in the car but I have the epub at least!
 
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I’m reading Katy Tur’s memoir of her experience covering Trump’s 2016 campaign. It’s titled “Unbelievable: My Front-Row Seat to the Craziest Campaign in American History.”

Happened to bump into it in the ebooks section of our four-county library the other night so I borrowed it out of curiosity. I don’t have a TV so all I really have known of Katy Tur has been online press coverage of the Trump campaign singling her out for “special” treatment on the campaign trail, some tweets from Trump and the press coverage of those tweets.

My peal of laughter greeted her dedication of the book: “For the love of God”

I cannot say more or might politicize this thread, but that sold me on reading it. :D
 

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The last book in the latest group arrived yesterday. It was difficult to find but arrived two weeks early!

Need I Love, Halina Poswiatowska


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This was one of the surprises I sometimes receive in the mail when I've already forgotten what I ordered online. But it arrived today, and as I had work I just started reading it an hour ago.

The book is called The Conspiracy Against The Human Race by Thomas Ligotti, an author who before this has focused on writing horror fiction. This is his first nonfiction release.

Now, I'm not a pessimist (at least not a hardcore one), but I enjoy reading philosophical texts of various slants and this book was recommended to me by a close friend who thought it might be of interest to me. And I have to say, thus far he's spot on. Another good recommendation was that in the first season of the show True Detective Rust Cohle's character got much of his worldview from this book. At the time watching it it felt almost comically nihilistic, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't find his musings extremely interesting.

The book is dark, it makes you think and drag some dark places in your psyche so I can imagine it's not for everyone. But I'm enjoying it based on the pages I've read thus far. I haven't obviously read it all yet, but I can see this as a book that will probably just further reinforce the philosophical mindset you already find yourself in. Good thing most of the time I'm a guy with a pretty sunny disposition.
 
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Right now, I am finishing up "Y The Last Man". While it is a graphic novel and not so much a novel, it is still pretty darn good and one of my favorites. Looking for my next book to start after this one.
 

rhett7660

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Who is it by?

Y: the Last Man is written by Brian K. Vaugn with art work by Pia Guerra. If you haven't read it, it is pretty darn good. Lots of little twists and turns.

Another really good series I just finished is called "Scalped" written by Jason Aaron and art by R.M. Guera. It deals with an Indian Casino and the fall out of two murdered FBI agents during an uprising in the 1970's.
 
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