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John Calvin Young

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Currently typing this on a high end 2017 MBP15, and sitting on a significant upgrade budget. If something significantly more powerful (particularly in GPU) than a loaded Intel MBP16 is in the offing or rumored by end of Q1, I might wait for it. But I do use BootCamp and Autodesk and plenty of other not-soon-ported x86 applications, and so I'm leaning towards getting the Last Best Intel MBP and holding on to it for at least 2-3 years until the transition is stabler.
 

MaxinMusicCity

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Mar 20, 2013
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Not waiting for M2, per se. Unfortunately, as Apple's quality control on OS releases (see High Sierra and Catalina) declines, I find myself going Windows more frequently. I'm due to buy the Intel Ice Lake 4-port 13" MacBook Pro in the very near future (as Boot Camp and x86 virtualization matter more to me than iOS and iPadOS apps running natively). I do and really want and ought to get my hands on an Apple Silicon Mac (for the sake of exploring and playing around with the few differences), but I don't know that I have to own one for the privilege. I might get an Apple Silicon Mac down the road to inevitably replace this one, and if I do, I'm sure whatever replaces the M1 2-port 13" MacBook Pro will be more than enough Mac for me (as again, I have Windows doing a lot of my heavy lifting app-wise). But I may also hop off the Mac bus. Either way, I don't need to buy one of the first couple revs of Apple Silicon; I was among the first to the Intel Macs during the PowerPC-to-Intel transition, I was much younger and more willing to run apps in Rosetta until I had native versions. I can certainly wait
Windows tends to have it's own issues...
 

christophermdia

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I had a 2016 13" MBP ... traded in for $700 and got this current M1 MBP 16gb/1TB for $1100 net ... definitely upgrading to the next big M series they have and ok to spend a bit more, as this computer will sell decently as well, or ill hand me down to the kids ... I can't imagine what it will be like when it gets better ... because this blows the pants off of my 2016 ....
 

Erehy Dobon

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Staying on a Mac forums, will do that to you. Windows too has its fair share of update doomsday, its just u will never hear of it unless u go to pc websites.
Yeah, if I want to hear about what the latest Windows update broke and what an upcoming Windows update might fix, I just visit WindowsLatest.com.

In fact, I always hold off on upgrading on Patch Tuesday, usually read that site for a week before I consider whether or not to try to upgrade.

It's like reading MacRumors Q&A forums so is what the latest macOS/iOS update borked.

Software QA is so poor these days, I haven't upgraded on release day for years for both Apple and Microsoft.
 

Dhonk

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My question is when Apple will finalize their upgrade cycle. For instance, they like iPhones, low level iPads, and the watch in Sept/Oct. They like iPad pros in March. Intel's constant overpromising and under-delivering has messed with Apple's product releases. My guess is they'd like to move to a 12-month refresh cycle for computers as well, but Intel allowed them to do more of an 18-24 month cycle
 
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Erehy Dobon

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I'd have to rob a bank to get an M1 right now :rolleyes:
Why? The entry level M1 Mac mini is $100 less than the entry level Intel Mac mini it replaced.

That said, you are probably better off saving money for a future purchase than attempting zero-interest financing.

Note that Apple does not take COLA price increases every year. Thus, if the new Mac model ___ costs the same as the equivalent from two years ago, today's model is actually cheaper when adjusted for inflation.

I've had Macs since the Nineties. They were all desktop models back then of course but even a more moderately priced unit was about $2000.
 
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torncanvas

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I’ve been trying to find a good thin-and-light work setup for more than two months now. I’ve been waiting for Tiger Lake laptops to come out, then once the AS rumors started going, I decided to wait even longer, even though it’s been painful. So glad I did!

We get Tiger Lake single core performance and Iris Xe GPU performance, plus nearing Ryzen levels of multi core...except in laptops that are actually available, not budget laptops, and much better thermals than even a Ryzen!

Christmas came early, folks.

My kingdom for an Apple device that supports Pencil input on macOS, though. Come on Apple...
 

Argon_

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My kingdom for an Apple device that supports Pencil input on macOS, though. Come on Apple...
I'm not normally a touch screen laptop guy, but I'd rather have a touch screen and proper function keys than the touch bar. Any day.

Also:

A replaceable battery like the Intel Air, solid thermal performance, trimmed bezels, 1080p webcam, 16" screen.

That's a machine to over spec and use for up to 10 years.

*Yet unconfirmed whether the M1 air has a replaceable battery.
 
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Phil A.

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I got myself a base M1 Mini to “scratch the itch” and will replace my other machines as normal as they hit 3 years old
 

aleni

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I always upgrade my mbp every year or twos. These days all my important logo and design files are in dropbox.

I only need to backup openemu, photo library when I want to switch laptop so it’s not really a hassle. Basically just install adobe photoshop and illustrator, some small apps, and restore openemu and photo library from external hard disk and I’m pretty much set.

I just ordered a base mb air and will upgrade on a base m3 air next year.
 

morelightning

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Nov 23, 2020
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I have the M1 MacBook.

I've developed on Apple machines since 2007 and program at the lowest level possible in Metal, in 2007 I was also an Apple employee... and here is my thoughts:

1) The hardware itself is a breakthrough for specific types of things. (Related to gpu features that don't even exist on mainstream desktop gpus. But you have to know what those are and how to do them, and the majority of the developer community does not know how to use even the simpler features. And it's not like you're suddenly going to be able to run bloated unity or unreal games.)

2) High Sierra was the last OS before they added a stuttering lag bug to all Metal views - which means the entire OS now. Mojave, Catalina, and Big Sur all have this problem. The M1 is powerful enough to reduce it, but not remove it. So I frequently measure inconsistent frame rates, stutters, and occasional strange glitches. Big Sur itself is bloated and every single Apple framework after Steve got sick, has gotten worse every year. The developer relations does not care, and the third party developers and users do not complain in the correct way. We need developers and users to complain to Apple in the correct way to cause them to adopt higher standards of work ethic. The current developer and managerial culture inside of Apple has become polluted with the ideologies from the mainstream industry. Apple has also become much more disingenuous as it tries to maintain positivity and appear good, rather than do the right thing.

Extra: The stuttering problems of the Mac were copied to the iPad last winter, where suddenly my drawing system (which is more efficient than even procreate) stopped running at 120fps, and has frequent stutters.

Aside: There is extreme health damage, caused by ignorant hardware material choices and layout structures in multiple Apple devices. The information we knew 20-50 years ago was not retained by the current employees, and they do not perform sincere measurements. A more significant example is the Apple Pencil 2nd gen's touch pad (along with the inductive charger). Signal noise, and the interaction of electrical and wireless fields through certain materials and structures is well known, but not at Apple anymore. This not only is validated through readily available instruments that Apple does not use, but we also can trigger software errors based on this knowledge. For example, charging your iPad through a noisy wall adapter will cause the battery to hold on to that signal noise as it oscillates. When the signal noise makes it to the touch screen digitizer, the analog measurements are thrown off, and you may intermittently experience skips in the stylus stroke or a failure to respond to the stylus. You can then cycle the battery with a clean source twice over 3 days and mostly restore the signal integrity, and then you can perform the experiment again to pollute your battery and create the errors. This is just one of many examples, and it isn't directly about the M1, but it is to the point that Apple's standards are low right now, and we need people to speak up and complain in the correct way - They will not fix problems if only I complain. My bug reports remain open for years. We need the community of developers and users to complain in clear logical ways to provoke Apple to raise their standards in the absence of a strict CEO like Steve.

Most all of Apple's Core OS issues are trivial and with the proper management and engineers could be resolved in 6 months, but even 10 min problems are dragged out to years.

Inside and outside Apple our culture is broken. We can do something about the outside, and influence change by raising our own standards as developers and users. To confront harsh realities without emotional recoil, to overcome hedonism and the lure of convenience over what is most correct. Even if I have high standards, I can not influence them on my own, because the majority culture inside and outside Apple, believes in the opposite ideals. There are some things we can only do together, and fixing our cultural standards is one of them. Your complaints to Apple as a collective community do matter if they are clear and logical, and I want to encourage you to do that.

...As for what I will do when the next Arm chip comes out: I will buy it.
 
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torncanvas

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Probably going back to windows. I'm not seeing much movement towards Apple silicon in 3D.
Autodesk is pretty lazy these days, so if by “in 3D” you mean Autodesk software, then there’s not much movement there with...anything. Maybe analytics updates! Adobe is almost as bad, for now.

Otherwise there’s a native version of Blender that’s pre-beta, and C4D is mostly ready I thought? ZBrush is not quite there yet last I saw.
 
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ArPe

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Waiting for the Mac Pro with Mx. I think it will be in 2022. I’m happy with the M1 until then.
 

Jpoon

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Feb 26, 2008
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I’m switching my work setup from a high-end gaming laptop to a custom SFF workstation plus a thin-and-light for mobile 3D work.

I have an M1 MBP on the way for the thin-and-light, and plan to upgrade as soon as a faster GPU option arrives.

What I hope for the most is solid VR support for work, so I could use a Mac for the workstation as well. But since VR support in macOS is currently non-existent, I think it could be as much as two years before that is even a possibility.

In the meantime it’ll be really nice to have a really quiet computer setup, because man do I hate that whiny laptop noise after 10+ hours of working.
the noise factor was a big reason for me springing for an M1 Air
 

Skika

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Mar 11, 2009
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Im waiting to replace my 2014 rMBP 15. I want at least 32gb of RAM and a 2tb SSD and a 16inch screen.
 

Jpoon

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Feb 26, 2008
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Autodesk is pretty lazy these days, so if by “in 3D” you mean Autodesk software, then there’s not much movement there with...anything. Maybe analytics updates! Adobe is almost as bad, for now.

Otherwise there’s a native version of Blender that’s pre-beta, and C4D is mostly ready I thought? ZBrush is not quite there yet last I saw.
C4D R23 and Redshift runs smoof - as well as Davinci Resolve Studio 17. Zbrush isn't there yet for sure.

I really dislike days where I need to interact with Autodesk Support.
 
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Jpoon

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2) High Sierra was the last OS before they added a stuttering lag bug to all Metal views - which means the entire OS now. Mojave, Catalina, and Big Sur all have this problem. The M1 is powerful enough to reduce it, but not remove it. So I frequently measure inconsistent frame rates, stutters, and occasional strange glitches. Big Sur itself is bloated and every single Apple framework after Steve got sick, has gotten worse every year. The developer relations does not care, and the third party developers and users do not complain in the correct way. We need developers and users to complain to Apple in the correct way to cause them to adopt higher standards of work ethic. The current developer and managerial culture inside of Apple has become polluted with the ideologies from the mainstream industry. Apple has also become much more disingenuous as it tries to maintain positivity and appear good, rather than do the right thing.
Got a Radar ticket number? I'd like to contribute. https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/112468 perhaps?
 
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