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TheShortTimer

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Yes, I've found that a lot - use certain gear, follow the rules, sound the same. Quite pointless.

This was exactly why one of my siblings went with the Yamaha C1 Music Computer instead of the Atari ST. Although the latter was immensely cheaper than the former and hugely popular across Europe, he disliked the quantising feel and wanted something different.
 
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mortlocli

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..wonder if we're seeing a similar thing with AI..a kinda pioneering stage in visuals instead of music..but on a more expensive level. Got an email yesterday (CB - creative bloq) that had a few comments about AI, one of which showed a high class fashion magazine cover with such a bad design it would make every photoshop user cringe...it was bad not only on a visual level but also social levels. As someone was quoted as saying, "That magazine would have a team of 'experts' deciding on their cover content - how could they not see how bad it is, and not comment?'
 
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mortlocli

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Can't imagine how long that would take on a G4. Wonder how much quicker it would be on a multi-core G5?

Today, I did a fresh install of Mac OS 9.1 on my Blue and White. I was intending originally to dual-boot 9.1 with 10.4.11, however with 10.4.11 installed it refused to install 9.1. I'll have to try Tiger again at a later date.
Ive both sorbet and Shuriken on my G4 iBook. I needed system 9 to play Orion Burgers, and found it installed quite well within Shuriken.

Yesterday tried a T2-SDE install to a USB stick. I like Sorbet and Shuriken and didn't want to wipe them for a HD install. It went ok until the boot loader set up. Don't know why they didn't use Yaboot, I saw it copied over so it's there but it defaulted to grub.
 

Doq

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Oh no it's on RUST now--

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m1maverick

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24 disks? That must've taken ages to complete. 😩
48 minutes (2 minutes per disk). Though it took me longer as the system suddenly powered off three times during the process (with 30 minute intervals in between restarts) plus having to fish each disk out of the disk drive with tweezers (still haven't fixed that).

Now I have to reverse the process to convert them into DiskCopy images.
 
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TheShortTimer

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48 minutes (2 minutes per disk).

Not quite as painful as I feared. :)

Though it took me longer as the system suddenly powered off three times during the process (with 30 minute intervals in between restarts) plus having to fish each disk out of the disk drive with tweezers (still haven't fixed that).

What do you think is causing the shutdowns? That sounds annoying.

Now I have to reverse the process to convert them into DiskCopy images.

On most of my 80s/90s computers, I use some sort of SD card/USB loader but when I needed to write floppies regularly, I used Omniflop from a Windows 2000 computer.


It's free and given that you mentioned making the disks accessible to non Macintosh computers, Omniflop will be able to write Mac disk images to floppies using a PC. The only snag is that the compatibility is restricted to 1.44MB Mac drives as I learned in the video below.

 

m1maverick

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Not quite as painful as I feared. :)



What do you think is causing the shutdowns? That sounds annoying.



On most of my 80s/90s computers, I use some sort of SD card/USB loader but when I needed to write floppies regularly, I used Omniflop from a Windows 2000 computer.


It's free and given that you mentioned making the disks accessible to non Macintosh computers, Omniflop will be able to write Mac disk images to floppies using a PC. The only snag is that the compatibility is restricted to 1.44MB Mac drives as I learned in the video below.

Thanks for these videos. I'll review them when I have more time.

No idea what is causing the sudden shut downs. I expect maybe a dead PRAM battery and / or not having the main battery installed.
 
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m1maverick

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On most of my 80s/90s computers, I use some sort of SD card/USB loader but when I needed to write floppies regularly, I used Omniflop from a Windows 2000 computer.


It's free and given that you mentioned making the disks accessible to non Macintosh computers, Omniflop will be able to write Mac disk images to floppies using a PC. The only snag is that the compatibility is restricted to 1.44MB Mac drives as I learned in the video below.

This looks really promising. Unfortunately it states that for the best results one should use an internal floppy drive (as opposed to a USB floppy drive). The only systems I have with internal floppy drives are too old to run a version of the operating system supported by the program (though I could use Omnidisk).

Looks as if I may need to find a low cost floppy based system.
 
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TheShortTimer

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This looks really promising. Unfortunately it states that for the best results one should use an internal floppy drive (as opposed to a USB floppy drive). The only systems I have with internal floppy drives are too old to run a version of the operating system supported by the program (though I could use Omnidisk).

Sorry, I was going to mention that but I assumed that you'd have that setup among your gear. :)

Looks as if I may need to find a low cost floppy based system.

A cheapo laptop with either a built-in FDD or a removable one that connects directly to the motherboard (anything from HP's Omnibook range) will do the trick and are easy to find. I picked up a Dell one with this specification for £10 GBP from eBay after losing a machine during a home invasion.
 

TheShortTimer

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Good grief...the world we live in :(

They even stole some of my clothes, I don't know whether to be flattered or bemused about that!

I felt more for my neighbour who was targeted by the same thieves: they basically waited for him to go off to work for the day and then raided his home and took everything he had that was valuable, including even his passport - which was really ominous because because you can imagine what a bonanza that would be within the criminal underworld for no end of illegal activities.

Anyhow, the show goes on and it'll never happen again because I soon saw to it that my security measures were ramped right up. ;)
 
it can be a struggle to move on from it.

Truer words have never been spoken.

As someone’s who’s dealt with a home burglary (my housemate’s PowerBook 100 series was stolen… this was in 1995) and had basically my life stolen from beneath my seat at a café (as I was interviewing the co-conspirator, unaware they were such at that moment), they have long-term impacts on one’s sense of security and optimism for both place and people.
 

mortlocli

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Truer words have never been spoken.

As someone’s who’s dealt with a home burglary (my housemate’s PowerBook 100 series was stolen… this was in 1995) and had basically my life stolen from beneath my seat at a café (as I was interviewing the co-conspirator, unaware they were such at that moment), they have long-term impacts on one’s sense of security and optimism for both place and people.
A mate of mine encountered a similar setup at an international airport. The co-conspirator blocked his way...and the apparent plan (so onlookers later told him) was another guy would grab the expensive camera he had over his shoulder. My mate who had been learning Kung-fu pushed the blocker outta the way and sent him flying onto his back...Which must have been surprising. Mate was in his late sixties and skinny as a bean pole so looks an easy target.

Yep..just another peace loving old hippie...and an associate professor - who would have thought??
 

m1maverick

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A cheapo laptop with either a built-in FDD or a removable one that connects directly to the motherboard (anything from HP's Omnibook range) will do the trick and are easy to find. I picked up a Dell one with this specification for £10 GBP from eBay after losing a machine during a home invasion.

It is amazing how much people are asking for older, "as-is" systems. I didn't want to spend a lot of money as this system will likely see little use just like the PowerBook 5300ce. Combing through Ebay listings was not encouraging. Most of the systems of interest had one or more of the following issues:
  • Sold "as-is" untested / failure to boot
  • No hard drive
  • No power supply
  • Poor cosmetic condition (filthy, broken / missing pieces)
  • Either a floppy drive or optical drive but not both
  • Too expensive for what I was seeking
  • Shipping costs which drove up the cost
I eventually found a Toshiba Satellite 4005CDS. It has a floppy drive, an optical drive, a hard disk, and includes the power supply. The seller did state it powers on but does not boot. For $50 including shipping I decided it was worth the risk and pulled the trigger.

Since it does not boot the seller didn't specify the RAM configuration. The minimum configuration for this model is 32MB which is enough to run my old friend Windows 2000 Professional (which is supported by Omniflop). Maybe I'll get lucky and it will have more (maximum is 160MB).

All in all if I can get it to boot it will suffice for my purposes.

EDIT: Looks like the RAM it uses is a standard PC66 SO-DIMM
 
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mortlocli

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was looking thru some software and came across this:


..was surprised it had an update adjustment this year??

oh..maybe it was the 2018 updater was uploaded this year?
 

mortlocli

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Had another tinker with T2 -sde.
..the tricky bit (well, one of them) is getting the six partition setup for the HD. I could do five of the six but theres one (Apple_HFS Mac OS X) thats important for the apple side of it which seems to appear by magic (going by the instructions)..but maybe I was missing an important factor somewhere..?

hopefully will do better next time.
 
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