What have you done with a PowerPC today?

[B S Magnet]

Today I tested three different external FireWire drives with swappable disks (accepts any 2.5" SATA drive): OWC, super speed and acomdata, with SATA SSDs. Summary: OWC sucks, super speed does its job, and acomdata absolutely rules. Can't wait to try 4TB drives on OS9 someday to see what happens LOL (4TB AFP drives do work... a 5TB WD USB drive I tried did not)

Links for context (for all three products) would be helpful here.

It’s unclear whether you’re referring to external FireWire drives (which come bundled with a drive, and removal/swap is a challenge) or external FireWire enclosures (which may be sold without the disk).

A little over a year ago, when shopping for a replacement for a FireWire enclosure to replace a 2014-era enclosure which failed, the only currently offered 2.5-inch form factor FireWire-inclusive enclosure (FW800, along with USB 3.0) I could find still being offered was from OWC. That enclosure, though in clear polycarbonate, is less sleek a case than its aluminium predecessor, has worked flawlessly with the SSD I added into it.

 

[MacPro2006VBox]

Oh... so, you are on Tiger - the only way you can use safari 4.1.1 is by proxy given the browser is too old.. tenfourfox is also another possibility. Tiger is a great system.. TFF is optimized for G3 also.

Not quite Tiger though... an early beta version of Leopard (9A241) that works on my G3.

 

[Macbookprodude]

Oh well, then If that is case, then try to install LWK(leopard WebKit). So, the beta of Leopard was designed to run on G3 ? Never knew that, then again I never played with a G3.. my Mac experience is with G4 and G5.

 

[Macbookprodude]

Can someone post a pic of OS 9 running a YouTube video without any mods in 2000-2014 ? I know that YouTube in early 2000s played horribly in OS 9.

 

[TheShortTimer]

Can someone post a pic of OS 9 running a YouTube video without any mods in 2000-2014 ?

As was pointed out to you in another thread, YouTube was established in 2005. It did not exist in 2000.

I know that YouTube in early 2000s played horribly in OS 9.

YouTube did not play at all on OS 9 - or anything else for that matter in the early 2000s because it did not exist.

A Brief History of YouTube.

 

[m1maverick]

Not sure if this counts but came to the realization that I am never going to get to all the projects I have so getting rid of a lot of my older Mac stuff. Things such as my IIgs and Mac LC III along with a few PowerPC G3 systems. Hate to see it go but need to clean out the basement as this stuff has just been sitting for years with no to little attention. Best to find a home for it where it will get use.

I'll be holding on to a single G5 system and a couple of IIc systems but everything else prior to Intel is headed out the door. Tough decision but having it sit here unused isn't doing it any favors.

 

[alex_free]

YES! Figured out how to watch burned VCDs on Dreamcast using homebrew! Well, I took 3 .MP4 files and combined them to one file and then converted/burned them to a VCD, then used a very old school Dreamcast home brew VCD player! Looking forward to adding this in PPCMC7. Just watching my favorite anime on a Dreamcast using this don’t mind me...

Tonight I have:

Found a leaked copy of "Dreamcast Movie Creator" circa 1999, which is supposed to be used to create those videos in Dreamcast Games... But unintentionally are actually the most efficient and highest quality way to play video on the console. Blows every homebrew and even VCD out of the water in bitrate, quality, and av sync which is flawless with this...

Found the old "Dreamcast Video Suite" software which allows you to turn one of those converted Dreamcast Movie Creator videos into a disc that will play on the Dreamcast.

Converted a MP4 to VCD-NTSC (out of just trying to get this to work, can go higher quality then this bitrate wise) with FFMPEG.

Split that VCD into MPEG-1 with no sound and .WAV audio.

Threw that into Dreamcast Movie Creator, actually worked.

Burned an old Utopia Boot Disc from Warez circa 2000 so I don't have to bother making my movie CD-R bootable and can just burn it with standard software.

Booted up Utopia, swapped in my CD-R, and I couldn't ask for more.

 

[Jubadub]

Links for context (for all three products) would be helpful here.

It’s unclear whether you’re referring to external FireWire drives (which come bundled with a drive, and removal/swap is a challenge) or external FireWire enclosures (which may be sold without the disk).

A little over a year ago, when shopping for a replacement for a FireWire enclosure to replace a 2014-era enclosure which failed, the only currently offered 2.5-inch form factor FireWire-inclusive enclosure (FW800, along with USB 3.0) I could find still being offered was from OWC. That enclosure, though in clear polycarbonate, is less sleek a case than its aluminium predecessor, has worked flawlessly with the SSD I added into it.

OWC: https://www.amazon.com/OWC-Mercury-Go-0GB-enclosure/dp/B00AR9ZYYQ
super speed: https://www.amazon.com/SuperSpeed-Firewire-Mobile-External-Enclosure/dp/B00CMBLP6I
acomdata: https://www.amazon.com/Acomdata-Firewire-2-5-Inch-Enclosure-TNGXXXUFBE-BLK/dp/B002JTX8Y0

From the post you can infer it's the latter, especially since I mention "swappable disks" within a single external FW device, and that it "accepts any 2.5" SATA drive", but the exact proper term indeed didn't come to me at that moment, and I just wanted to get the basic message out. More than just "enclosures", they are specifically "external SATA drive adapters".

Strange, but great, that it worked for you. Which Macs did you use it on? Regardless, the product is flawed, or my specific unit has come with defective FW-related components, as per my previous posting. I also never dropped or otherwise damaged the product, being careful with impact, static electricity, and never forced anything physically when mounting it up.

Sadly, I ordered these back in December, but only could test them now, so it's no longer eligible for a return. Still, I'm glad I got vastly superior alternatives even if OWC's offer was working properly: I did buy three precisely with the hopes at least one of them would do the job right, and luckily it's precisely the two best ones among the three that work right.

 

[B S Magnet]

OWC: https://www.amazon.com/OWC-Mercury-Go-0GB-enclosure/dp/B00AR9ZYYQ
super speed: https://www.amazon.com/SuperSpeed-Firewire-Mobile-External-Enclosure/dp/B00CMBLP6I
acomdata: https://www.amazon.com/Acomdata-Firewire-2-5-Inch-Enclosure-TNGXXXUFBE-BLK/dp/B002JTX8Y0

From the post you can infer it's the latter, especially since I mention "swappable disks" within a single external FW device, and that it "accepts any 2.5" SATA drive", but the exact proper term indeed didn't come to me at that moment, and I just wanted to get the basic message out. More than just "enclosures", they are specifically "external SATA drive adapters".

Strange, but great, that it worked for you. Which Macs did you use it on? Regardless, the product is flawed, or my specific unit has come with defective FW-related components, as per my previous posting. I also never dropped or otherwise damaged the product, being careful with impact, static electricity, and never forced anything physically when mounting it up.

Thanks for the links. And now I understand you were looking for hot-swappable disk enclosures which, indeed, the OWC solution would not accommodate for that.

As for the OWC enclosure I purchased (same as the model you posted in the above link, albeit purchased elsewhere), most of its usage time over the past year has occurred whilst connected to a 2011 MBP running Snow Leopard. I’ve had it running in mostly read mode (music library for deejaying, which depends in part on the iTunes library database). Touch wood, I have experienced no issues with read/write errors throughout.

Editing to add: the initial write to the SSD (actually a RAID-SSD using two m.2 SATA drives in a 2.5-inch form factor enclosure) inside the OWC enclosure was done whilst connected to a Power Mac G5.

 

[Jubadub]

hot-swappable

Oh, just swappable, as in, turn device off, take it apart, pull out SATA drive, insert in another SATA drive, mount it back up. Sorry for the confusion.

Hm, G5. I will give it a try on my Quad, as well, just for good measure.

 

[alex_free]

After lurking eBay for too long, found an October 1995 57x serial number SCPH 1001 PS1 for $52. Earliest I've seen still being sold as tested/working on Ebay, before this everything was manufactured either May 1996 or later.

For those not in the know, this legendary guide on the PS1 swap trick last updated in 1996 tells you how to play burned CD-R games on an unmodified PS1. The consoles manufactured with a serial number of 592x or later have to use a much more complicated double swap trick you have to use since Sony tried to "move the goal posts further" to deter obvious exploitation. And TBH, the double swap trick is very hard to pull off and not a reliably quick method. However, ANYTHING before the 592x serial number should be exploitable to the very easy swap trick methods:


Been burning CD-Rs in the Mac Mini G4 at the minimum 8x speeds on the best CD-R brand to play. I actually have something called a "PSX Change v2.0 NTSC" which is essentially a boot disc that allows you to boot backups easily without any tricks, but this stuff is very interesting to me and I'll definitely try out the various "easy" swap methods just because why not...

It’s here, and this works!

METHOD ONE: The Audio Menu [Safe and very easy]
------------------------------------------------

Works on : Very early Japanese, European and American machines.
Success : 80%
Problems : Music is often corrupted. The TOC (Table of Contents)
from the boot CD is always used which is less than ideal.


o Power up your PlayStation WITHOUT a game or demo CD in it.

o Select the CD Audio menu.

o Get a local CD that matches the country of the machine you
have. (ie a Japanese game for a Japanese PlayStation etc.)

o Find some tape, Blu-Tak or something similar. Several people I know
have found the corner from a cornflake packet works well <shrug>.

o Open the lid and look at the top right of the bottom section,
near where the hinge is. See the small circle in the groove?
Good. This is the lid sensor.

o Insert your local CD.

o Put the tape, Blu-Tak or whatever over the sensor and *gently*
push it down. The CD will now spin for a few seconds.

o When the CD has finished spinning take it out and replace it
with the foreign game you wish to play.

o Now shut the lid and exit the CD Audio menu. The game should
now work fine (see above for exceptions.)

o When you have finished playing, open the lid and remove the
tape, Blu-Tak etc from the sensor. This will stop the CD.

 

[Macbookprodude]

As was pointed out to you in another thread, YouTube was established in 2005. It did not exist in 2000.



YouTube did not play at all on OS 9 - or anything else for that matter in the early 2000s because it did not exist.

A Brief History of YouTube.

Exactly, so this is my proposal - if we take out the videos, the YouTube and all that, we should still have the right to access light web browsing on our PowerPC Macs, namely OS 9. I am going to dive into the source code for Classila and add TLS 1.2 which if successful, it then should allow us to at least browse simple internet pages such as Wikipedia.

for Leopard to speed things up with webpage loading, IS THERE A WAY TO BLOCK all embedded videos in websites ? Example, cnet.com - embedded, wasteful videos and ads play which slow down webpage loading.. actually, if we can block all ads and embedded videos when we browse the web in leopard, then this will greatly help with using the web under Leopard, but light browsing is to be restricted to OS 9 without the stuff we do under Leopard.. just an opinion after rethinking the several posts from before.

 

[Macbookprodude]

As was pointed out to you in another thread, YouTube was established in 2005. It did not exist in 2000.



YouTube did not play at all on OS 9 - or anything else for that matter in the early 2000s because it did not exist.

A Brief History of YouTube.

And I also heard middle 2000s, to 2014.

 

[B S Magnet]

IS THERE A WAY TO BLOCK all embedded videos in websites ? Example, cnet.com - embedded, wasteful videos and ads play which slow down webpage loading.. actually, if we can block all ads and embedded videos when we browse the web in leopard, then this will greatly help with using the web under Leopard, but light browsing is to be restricted to OS 9 without the stuff we do under Leopard.. just an opinion after rethinking the several posts from before.

Yes. It’s called uBlock Origin.

 

[Macbookprodude]

Yes. It’s called uBlock Origin.

Ok good.. problem ? I can’t find it - do you have a link for it ? And it works on 104fox ?? Oh, here is some good news - TLS 1.2 will stick around till 15 years from now then it will be TLS 1.4 - by then, I don’t think I will be around who knows.

 

[TheShortTimer]

Yes. It’s called uBlock Origin.

Yep and here it is within IceWeaselPPC on my iBook G3/500.

Ok good.. problem ? I can’t find it - do you have a link for it ?

​

So this finally happened. Sort of...​

 

[alex_free]

I used to think that CD-R write speed, brand, and drive did not matter, that it was all a myth. Then I bought a Dreamcast and discovered that at least the drive did matter.

You can’t buy some cheap USB DVD burner from some retail store and expect it to burn something a Dreamcast can read, it won’t work.

Then I bought a October 1995 SCPH 1001 PlayStation, which is among the oldest in existence. Anything but the Verbatim brand (the best brand) won’t work, and this thing really only likes CD-Rs burned at 8x speed in the Mac mini G4 (my oldest CD burner with the slowest minimum speed that I own, so useful!). Also turning the PlayStation console to the left side (vertically) is not a meme. The theory with doing this is the early Playstations had plastic movable parts right next to the PSU which would overtime generate so much heat it would warp the plastic the laser moved along. Anyways it makes burned CD-Rs from the mini actually read and boot. In the proper orientation it reads legit games fine but struggles and has only booted a CD-R once, and I cannot make it do it again. Tried turning it to the left after the swap though, and it really does work pretty well.

 

[Macbookprodude]

Got a new ADATA 512GB M2SATA drive.. it’s been awhile since I backed up abs restored my drive.. so here is the situation - I have 2 partitions - OS 9 at 128GB, the rest is for leopard - can I use CCC to copy from my 128GB drive both OS 9 partition and Leopard, or can I just drag and drop OS 9 into its own partition ?

 

[galgot]

Yesterday I built BasiliskII 68k emulator on that Wallstreet running Debian Sid Remix.
All compiled fine, but when I try to launch BasiliskII I get an error :
« LLVM ERROR: Reocation type not implemented yet ! »
Ok…
So I grabbed a BasiliskII binary I had built before on another G3 running Debian Wheezy. And it works :

Network works through Slirp, I would have to install Sid Headers and all to compile a new Sheep_net ethernet driver.
It’s quite responsive , if you don’t try something like loading a web page in a browser. Tried loading the MacGarden page in iCab, but it was just too long.
But it’s fun , here is Timbuktu screen sharing with another BasiliskII VM running on my R-Pi :

Tho it takes a lot of memory on that poor Wallstreet (only has 256Mb Ram, I think...). So if I try launching it more than two times during the same session, it seg fault . Have to purge memory or reboot...

 

[Bruninho]

@galgot Have you tried http://macintosh.garden ? They have been testing a new theme under this domain

 

[galgot]

@galgot Have you tried http://macintosh.garden ? They have been testing a new theme under this domain

Thanks for the idea. Here:

System7today works too :

No... I'll not try Youtube
Anyway, browsing on this stuff is really if you are not in a hurry, takes 15 to 20 sec to load a page, with the pcu going 100%...

 

[Amethyst1]

No... I'll not try Youtube

Good decision Not worth the disappointment.

 

[Macbookprodude]

I think it’s time for a Linux wiki - I know Jack about Linux, if my Mac was Intel I am sure all distros would work, someone needs to make a Linux wiki with the CORRECT distros that will run on PowerPC - nice job getting BassillIIX to work - my experience with PowerPC ends at G5, began with G4.. G3 has nothing to offer me, though my Pismo was a G3 500, that was long replaced by my G4 550 from wegenner media. Nonetheless, please don’t try to run YouTube on that

 

[Dronecatcher]

I think it’s time for a Linux wiki - I know Jack about Linux, if my Mac was Intel I am sure all distros would work, someone needs to make a Linux wiki with the CORRECT distros that will run on PowerPC - nice job getting BassillIIX to work - my experience with PowerPC ends at G5, began with G4.. G3 has nothing to offer me, though my Pismo was a G3 500, that was long replaced by my G4 550 from wegenner media. Nonetheless, please don’t try to run YouTube on that

There's already been one for 2 years....

The PowerPC Debian Wiki

Mac OS X Tiger was released in 2005, its final security update being in 2009. Mac OS X Leopard was released in 2007, given its very last security update in 2011, and is the ultimate version of Mac OS X compatible with the PowerPC architecture, effectively marking the entire family EOL, even for...

forums.macrumors.com

 

[eddjedi]

While my Macbook Pro was away being repaired for 2 weeks (kudos to Apple for replacing the battery in a four year old MBP free of charge thanks to a recall) I set myself the challenge of making a track using my G4 Cube and Cubase SE. I hadn't touched Cubase for 15 years, so it took a long time to remember how to use it, plus the obvious slowness of using Virtual Instruments on a 450MHz G4! In fact I couldn't even preview some instruments at all as the processing power wasn't up to it, so could only hear them in the exported mixdown (which took about 10 minutes, not too bad considering tracks I make in Logic now take a couple of minutes to bounce.)

Today I finished the track! I don't think I will put myself through this pain again for a while now that I have my MBP and Logic back, but I enjoyed doing something meaningful on the old Cube