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What Dell monitor is that?That's the spirit!
It's a Dell P2419H. I bought it specifically because it has HDMI, DisplayPort and VGA inputs. It's quite hard to find a new monitor with all three these days. This allows me to use the same monitor for my work PC laptop, Macbook Pro and the Cube with no cable swapping. Considering it is 1920x1080 the Cube's 16MB video card does a good job of powering it for most tasks, although it can't handle the iTunes visualizer or Flurry screen saver at this resolution.
Unfortunately no, was not sure how to address this when it changed to a portable app. Here’s the new instructions in the read me:
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Advanced Usage
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You may want to use this release from the command line. For example, you can use MacSSH ( https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macssh-21 ) on Mac OS 9 (with Zlib compression disabled in MacSSH to allow it to connect to newer OpenSSH versions) and run the Links2 text mode remotely.
Since this is a portable release that can run anywhere, the commands to run in graphics mode or text mode change depending on where Links2.app is. In the below example commands, Links2.app is at '/Applications/Links2.app'. Change '/Applications/Links2.app' in the commands if Links2.app is somewhere else.
Text Mode:
/Applications/Links2.app/bin/links -ssl.certificates 1 -ssl.builtin-certificates 1 -ssl.client-cert-crt /Applications/Links2.app/cacert.pem
Graphics Mode:
/Applications/Links2.app/bin/linksx -g -ssl.certificates 1 -ssl.builtin-certificates 1 -ssl.client-cert-crt /Applications/Links2.app/cacert.pem
Reinstalled the FireBoard 800 PCI card I bought for the 1.5ghz Sawtooth. Last time I had it in here the Sawtooth had issues powering on and I discovered there was a floppy style power connector on the card. The packaging made no mention of needing extra power and no power cable was included, so I was confused by this. I removed the card and put it away until I could get a power cable. I finally got around to doing that recently and I reinstalled the card with the power cable. So far so good. I do still have one issue related to power, which happens without the FireBoard 800 installed, and that is that if I don't press the power button firmly enough the Sawtooth's fans will spin up and the power button will glow green, but the Sawtooth won't boot. Hoping all I need to replace is the power button and not the power supply.
I decided to simplify my OS setup on the Sawtooth and remove the Jaguar partition and delete Panther off of the OS 9 partition. I ran into an issue while using the Leopard DVD's disk utility where I couldn't resize the Tiger partition after deleting the Jaguar partition. I ended up making a DMG again of my Tiger partition, saving it to my external SSD via the FireBoard 800, removing the Tiger partition, creating a new one that took up the remaining space on the disk, and restoring the DMG to the new Tiger partition. Everything went fine until I got to the restoring the DMG part. Disk Utility got stuck at the start of the copying stage, so I closed Disk Utility and opened it again where it once again got stuck. I gave up and rebooted into my Leopard partition and performed the restore from there, which thankfully worked. The Mac now runs Leopard, Tiger, and OS 9, nothing else. If I ever buy a G5, I may consider removing Leopard from my Sawtooth and have it be Tiger and OS 9 only while the G5 would have Leopard on it.
Discovered that the DVI-D to DVI-D cable I use with the Sawtooth and the 2009 Mini (I swap the cable back and forth between the two depending on which one I am using at that moment) doesn't work properly anymore (major graphical glitches on screen), so I have to use a DVI-VGA adapter with the Sawtooth to connect it to my montior's VGA port and my Mini now uses a mini-DVI to HDMI adapter with a HDMI to DVI-D cable to connect to my monitor's DVI-D port. Will have to get around to buying a new DVI-D to DVI-D cable at some point.
I decided to simplify my OS setup on the Sawtooth and remove the Jaguar partition and delete Panther off of the OS 9 partition. I ran into an issue while using the Leopard DVD's disk utility where I couldn't resize the Tiger partition after deleting the Jaguar partition. I ended up making a DMG again of my Tiger partition, saving it to my external SSD via the FireBoard 800, removing the Tiger partition, creating a new one that took up the remaining space on the disk, and restoring the DMG to the new Tiger partition. Everything went fine until I got to the restoring the DMG part. Disk Utility got stuck at the start of the copying stage, so I closed Disk Utility and opened it again where it once again got stuck. I gave up and rebooted into my Leopard partition and performed the restore from there, which thankfully worked. The Mac now runs Leopard, Tiger, and OS 9, nothing else. If I ever buy a G5, I may consider removing Leopard from my Sawtooth and have it be Tiger and OS 9 only while the G5 would have Leopard on it.
Discovered that the DVI-D to DVI-D cable I use with the Sawtooth and the 2009 Mini (I swap the cable back and forth between the two depending on which one I am using at that moment) doesn't work properly anymore (major graphical glitches on screen), so I have to use a DVI-VGA adapter with the Sawtooth to connect it to my montior's VGA port and my Mini now uses a mini-DVI to HDMI adapter with a HDMI to DVI-D cable to connect to my monitor's DVI-D port. Will have to get around to buying a new DVI-D to DVI-D cable at some point.
Hi guys.
I restarted my dual mirror G4 twin CPU tower ... but had an issue, I'd appreciate some advise.
I firstly started it - the first time since 2010. I gave it to my Dad, but Dad died in January 2010. I wanted to retrieve a file from the computer. I connected my 2012 Mac Pro's monitor to it - via the DVI-I port. My monitor is a 24" Eizo Coloredge CG24W. I used my MacPro 2010's original keyboard. Pushed the start button - and I got the grey start up screen, with the Apple logo. COOOOOL.... Then, the monitor said it had lost connection and that I should check my connection. So, I restarted, and pushed the option key. I got 3 hard drives (all system X - I thought I still had system 9 on it too). Because I don't have a mouse with a tail on it, I just used the arrow keys. So, I pushed the enter key. And the computer started up - it went from a grey Apple logo screen, to a blue background, with my name, my wife's, and my father's name. With a blue background. But I had forgotten the pass word. After 15 or so tries, the keyboard would not respond. So, I pressed the start up button, leaving my finger on the button until the sub station noisy tower stopped. Then, I realised I had the wrong month of my Dad's birthday, which was his log on password.
So, I tried several times, but I could never get through to the password stage again. After showing the disks, it seems to be starting, the blue screen begins, and then, the monitor reports loosing its DVI-I connection.
Any help would be appreciated ... also when I push the option key to show the start up disks, there is a very small watch in the top left hand corner of the monitor. I have tried disconnecting the power cable from its plug, hence stopping any current draw, but when I see the blue screen which is the background for the password log on, then the GPU stops outputting a signal ...
Help please!!!
I restarted my dual mirror G4 twin CPU tower ... but had an issue, I'd appreciate some advise.
I firstly started it - the first time since 2010. I gave it to my Dad, but Dad died in January 2010. I wanted to retrieve a file from the computer. I connected my 2012 Mac Pro's monitor to it - via the DVI-I port. My monitor is a 24" Eizo Coloredge CG24W. I used my MacPro 2010's original keyboard. Pushed the start button - and I got the grey start up screen, with the Apple logo. COOOOOL.... Then, the monitor said it had lost connection and that I should check my connection. So, I restarted, and pushed the option key. I got 3 hard drives (all system X - I thought I still had system 9 on it too). Because I don't have a mouse with a tail on it, I just used the arrow keys. So, I pushed the enter key. And the computer started up - it went from a grey Apple logo screen, to a blue background, with my name, my wife's, and my father's name. With a blue background. But I had forgotten the pass word. After 15 or so tries, the keyboard would not respond. So, I pressed the start up button, leaving my finger on the button until the sub station noisy tower stopped. Then, I realised I had the wrong month of my Dad's birthday, which was his log on password.
So, I tried several times, but I could never get through to the password stage again. After showing the disks, it seems to be starting, the blue screen begins, and then, the monitor reports loosing its DVI-I connection.
Any help would be appreciated ... also when I push the option key to show the start up disks, there is a very small watch in the top left hand corner of the monitor. I have tried disconnecting the power cable from its plug, hence stopping any current draw, but when I see the blue screen which is the background for the password log on, then the GPU stops outputting a signal ...
Help please!!!
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Try starting up in Safe Mode. To do so, hold down the SHIFT key when the grey Apple logo appears and keep it held down until you get to the login screen.
Loading up Leopard 9A303 on my iMac G3 after a failed attempt at getting modern Linux working. Will report back on the official Leopard on G3 thread as to what's broken out of the box with this one.
I had luck with manually updating Safari a bit with 9A241, which in turn made it work again. Will try this with 9A303, along with hopefully updating iTunes a bit as well... although I have my doubts about that with my failure in updating QuickTime to where iTunes 9.1.1 will run without a hitch.
I had luck with manually updating Safari a bit with 9A241, which in turn made it work again. Will try this with 9A303, along with hopefully updating iTunes a bit as well... although I have my doubts about that with my failure in updating QuickTime to where iTunes 9.1.1 will run without a hitch.
just got in the mail the OS 9 Bible and playing around in OS 9. Also, downloaded PowerMachTen, Codewarrior 7.1, toolkits - also, made a print out of Crypto Ancienne as I am preparing to to inject TLS 1.2 into Classila. I now have some time to read up on this. Mac OS 9 will be reborn with the ability to browse most websites under 1.2 - Work is killing me, but I requested some time off and therefore will be working on this.
Thanks Amethyst1, but no luck ... this time it just sort of hung on start up, with a grey screen and the circular sort of grey revolving delay symbol. Eventually I stopped the computer by holding the start up button.
I found a Panther 10.3 set of disks, so I restarted, pushing the keyboards top right hand CD out key (I suspect put the first one in,
I found a Panther 10.3 set of disks, so I restarted, pushing the keyboards top right hand CD out key (I suspect put the first one in,
I spent some time but unfortunately I think the start up drive (which has the files I was after) has lost its functionality, hence the G4 twin mirror door would not boot.
I then replaced the battery but that did not solve the problem, although I think it was worthwhile.
I found some OSX system 10.3 disks, 4 in all - three black disks (1,2 & 3) and also a Unix disk. So I booted off the CD install disk, but I could not find a disk utility accessible on the install CD disk (or maybe its a DVD disk!!). So I did an install on one of the computer's drives - it has three separate drives. After the first disk installed (with an install option that did not delete the hard drive's contents), the install appeared to have finished, but then it went looking for drives, and it hung there.
So I used the start button to crash down the computer. I then found the reset button on the motherboard, which took my some considerable time! I then turned off the power supply by turning the power board switch off, I left the computer for some time and then I pushed the button, turned on the power switch power board switch (which only had the computer power lead on it) and then I turned on the duall mirror Power PC, leaving my finger pushing on the "C" key.
I thought what I had previously done wrong, was not put in the second CD/DVD disk, I thought the computer was perhaps not looking for a hard disk, but looking for the second install CD disk. But it wasn't, because it did another install, this time much faster as it did not seem to over write the files that were previously installed, and the Mac (or was this one still a Macintosh?) then finished its install and restarted itself. Maybe the restart button allowed it do finish it's install properly? It never called on the other two black system 10.3 install disks.
So, it then successfully booted into 10.3. I changed the screen setup to find a resolution that did not have vertical stripes.
The computer has had I think OSX 10.5 on it, because the disk I used to install 10.3 on it, is a back up disk for Time Machine. And Time Machine did come until 10.5.
The machine is a twin CPU 1.25 Hz unit, with a 9000 64 MB GPU, and three of its four memory slots filled with 6200 RAM, two with 512, one with 256.
Darn - I had been looking forward to having a game of Strategic Conquest 3.01! 10.5 doesn't support Cassic apps. And I was not able to find system 9.22 on the machine.
Unfortunately the disk I am after, 10.3's disk utility was not able to recover it.
There are permission errors on two of the three disk drives. One is the original drive, and 160 MB drive. That has the data on it, and I am doubtful I will be able to recover it. I cannot even analyse the permissions on that folder.
I think my next approach will be to either find another hard disk, and install 10.5 on it, and then try to recover the contents of the failed drive using the Time Machine files. I am unsure how easy it will be to find a suitable drive. I am pretty sure the machine ran system 8 on it, but there is a drive called 7.5, maybe that drive came from an earlier Mac? The records say the dual mirror door shipped with system 9. I think I would have liked Time Machine as it would have backed up my father's files automatically, which he needed. I used to go around to his place and make Super Duper images, but I if I find some of those files, I'd need a disk to put them on!!
The good news was the monitor was working! However, there are various artefacts going on. I'll now pull the drives and the GPU out and air blow them and spray with some alcohol spray ... and hope that all works. The graphics card became crystal clear on one setting last night, after some time. After shutting down sand starting up today, the artifacts were back and didn't go a way, although above where the mouse pointer was, the screen had vertical lines, but above the level of the mouse pointer, the screen was fine. Strange ... the mouse is a $4 Burros mouse I bought yesterday. It's supposed to be compatible with OS X 10.3 and upwards. I don't know where any early mice have run too!
Thanks once gain for your help Amethyst1!!!
I then replaced the battery but that did not solve the problem, although I think it was worthwhile.
I found some OSX system 10.3 disks, 4 in all - three black disks (1,2 & 3) and also a Unix disk. So I booted off the CD install disk, but I could not find a disk utility accessible on the install CD disk (or maybe its a DVD disk!!). So I did an install on one of the computer's drives - it has three separate drives. After the first disk installed (with an install option that did not delete the hard drive's contents), the install appeared to have finished, but then it went looking for drives, and it hung there.
So I used the start button to crash down the computer. I then found the reset button on the motherboard, which took my some considerable time! I then turned off the power supply by turning the power board switch off, I left the computer for some time and then I pushed the button, turned on the power switch power board switch (which only had the computer power lead on it) and then I turned on the duall mirror Power PC, leaving my finger pushing on the "C" key.
I thought what I had previously done wrong, was not put in the second CD/DVD disk, I thought the computer was perhaps not looking for a hard disk, but looking for the second install CD disk. But it wasn't, because it did another install, this time much faster as it did not seem to over write the files that were previously installed, and the Mac (or was this one still a Macintosh?) then finished its install and restarted itself. Maybe the restart button allowed it do finish it's install properly? It never called on the other two black system 10.3 install disks.
So, it then successfully booted into 10.3. I changed the screen setup to find a resolution that did not have vertical stripes.
The computer has had I think OSX 10.5 on it, because the disk I used to install 10.3 on it, is a back up disk for Time Machine. And Time Machine did come until 10.5.
The machine is a twin CPU 1.25 Hz unit, with a 9000 64 MB GPU, and three of its four memory slots filled with 6200 RAM, two with 512, one with 256.
Darn - I had been looking forward to having a game of Strategic Conquest 3.01! 10.5 doesn't support Cassic apps. And I was not able to find system 9.22 on the machine.
Unfortunately the disk I am after, 10.3's disk utility was not able to recover it.
There are permission errors on two of the three disk drives. One is the original drive, and 160 MB drive. That has the data on it, and I am doubtful I will be able to recover it. I cannot even analyse the permissions on that folder.
I think my next approach will be to either find another hard disk, and install 10.5 on it, and then try to recover the contents of the failed drive using the Time Machine files. I am unsure how easy it will be to find a suitable drive. I am pretty sure the machine ran system 8 on it, but there is a drive called 7.5, maybe that drive came from an earlier Mac? The records say the dual mirror door shipped with system 9. I think I would have liked Time Machine as it would have backed up my father's files automatically, which he needed. I used to go around to his place and make Super Duper images, but I if I find some of those files, I'd need a disk to put them on!!
The good news was the monitor was working! However, there are various artefacts going on. I'll now pull the drives and the GPU out and air blow them and spray with some alcohol spray ... and hope that all works. The graphics card became crystal clear on one setting last night, after some time. After shutting down sand starting up today, the artifacts were back and didn't go a way, although above where the mouse pointer was, the screen had vertical lines, but above the level of the mouse pointer, the screen was fine. Strange ... the mouse is a $4 Burros mouse I bought yesterday. It's supposed to be compatible with OS X 10.3 and upwards. I don't know where any early mice have run too!
Thanks once gain for your help Amethyst1!!!
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Can anybody recommend what drive I can get for the dual mirror door mac? I figure I will install 10.5 on that drive and then try to recover the lost drive information by using the Time Machine drive data. I hope I can recover than information to a new drive with 10.5 OS X on it ... all I know is that I need an ATA drive and besides that, I have no idea ... I think the size of the drive is also limited, but perhaps I can partition the drive?
Thanks for any assistance.
MP
Thanks for any assistance.
MP
For one thing, you don't need an ATA drive, there are adaptors for that. And another, you really shouldn't be going looking for used ATA drives. They're basically all 15 years old at least, and their days are numbered. Since you're working with an MDD, you don't have the 128gb drive limit. Sure, ATA 133 isn't as fast as SATA 1, but if you use an ssd in the system, you'll notice it much more than if you were using a hard drive. Oh, and an ssd will last a good deal longer than a hard drive, even a new one.
Yes, I'll find an adaptor and a I guess a cheap SSD. Good news is I have all the original install disks, which includes an early OSX and also system 9.2.2 I think the disks. The annoying thing was that for two initial start ups, the main hard drive booted just fine, and showed the "pick the user" choice ... I picked my father's one, but I entered the wrong password ... I got his birthday wrong!! Then, after realising my mistake, the drive would not boot.
But first, I am going to have to find a GPU. The factory ATI 9000 Pro card is faulty. The screen looks fine for a while, then it gets various stripes all over it. Similar to my 24" iMac, which I still have. I now realised it's screen card has also failed.
I pulled the GPU card and did find some fluff on the monitor inlet port, I cleaned the card too and the machine as well (pressure pack air and I also used some computer alcohol) dried everything, and then booted using the computer's hardware test disk. Things were looking good until the test got to the display card, and then the screen got its stripes back, and the hardware test disk then reported the screen card has faulty memory.
Its not easy finding a replacement GPU either. Darn ...
@Melbourne Park Open up the machine and, after grounding yourself to a large metal surface, feel the GPU's heatsink once the screen starts to display these stripes. How hot is it? When cards overheat, graphical artifacting is a common problem that doesn't resolve until the chips cool down, so if that is indeed the case, then additional cooling measures will likely need to be procured (as the chip can't just be repasted because it lacks the pins / clips / clamps required to hold the heatsink down).
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EDIT: Never mind ... my brain somehow didn't register "the hardware test disk then reported the screen card has faulty memory".
Being a human sucks.
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EDIT: Never mind ... my brain somehow didn't register "the hardware test disk then reported the screen card has faulty memory".
Being a human sucks.
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Best intentions, and thanks a lot.
And actually, since it appeared to work when cold, what you say made sense. But I think when one uses the mouse and scrolls around, then the bad memory must suddenly be utilised ... hence it's a memory issue that looked like a heat one!!
I cannot explain though, why the main disk drive worked for two start ups, and now while seen via disk utility, cannot be recovered that Apple's disk software.
My main issue though is finding a GPU that will work ... and whatever I get may have a short life too. While I do have a PC sitting there, its a lot of mucking around to flash a non Apple approved graphics card. And while I won't be needing speed, it's annoying to put in an even older card than the 9000 Pro whose memory has failed. Evidently there are some better cards available that are OK in G5s, and could work in my dual mirror G4, but evidently you have to blank out some of the connectors, somehow ...
For a screen card, I have limited options.
Since I still get a bad screen but a visible one from my damaged VRam in my original 9000 Pro 64mb GPU:
1 - I could find a cheap ATI card and install some drivers. Whether that would work under 9.2 though, who knows? Do I want to run 9.2? I'm not sure ... I presume if its loaded then it would run under I think 10.4 OSX under classic mode if 9.2 is resident somewhere ...
2 - Would a GPU from a G4 cube work? They look similar to the cards in most G4's AGP slots ...
Buy an early PowerPC G4 AGP card with 16mb ram on it ... typically ATI Rage 128 cards. These are not quick, pretty old of course, and cost around $US12 to $US45, on ebay. Plus shipping costs from the USA, they end up cost around lets say $US70, and how long they'd last, who knows ... but perhaps, some have been pulled and substituted for faster cards, hence have not done much work? Its a gamble of course.
3 - Buy one in Australia - but there are none for sale.
4 - Buy a costlier card from the UK, USA or China or Hong Kong. The costliest shipping is from the USA, then the UK (or Western Europe) and the cheapest is China. But to get one from even China will take two weeks. And will the card work? Some cards available from eBay cost around $US140 landed, such as 9600 ATI cards, but those almost all seem to be for G5s, and in order to work, they'd need to have two of their contacts taped up. There is a "new" 9600 for Macs card - those do work in G4s as well as G5s, they were a drop in card and pretty good - but the cost landed is quite a lot, around $US 300 landed. Phew ... It would work though ...
5 - Wait a week and buy an earlier G4 Powermac locally - there are two for sale here that I can find. One is for parts but has a 16MB card left in it, with a power supply, a CD drive and a Zip drive in it by the looks of it, it looks like single 780hz unit.
Hmmm
Since I still get a bad screen but a visible one from my damaged VRam in my original 9000 Pro 64mb GPU:
1 - I could find a cheap ATI card and install some drivers. Whether that would work under 9.2 though, who knows? Do I want to run 9.2? I'm not sure ... I presume if its loaded then it would run under I think 10.4 OSX under classic mode if 9.2 is resident somewhere ...
2 - Would a GPU from a G4 cube work? They look similar to the cards in most G4's AGP slots ...
Buy an early PowerPC G4 AGP card with 16mb ram on it ... typically ATI Rage 128 cards. These are not quick, pretty old of course, and cost around $US12 to $US45, on ebay. Plus shipping costs from the USA, they end up cost around lets say $US70, and how long they'd last, who knows ... but perhaps, some have been pulled and substituted for faster cards, hence have not done much work? Its a gamble of course.
3 - Buy one in Australia - but there are none for sale.
4 - Buy a costlier card from the UK, USA or China or Hong Kong. The costliest shipping is from the USA, then the UK (or Western Europe) and the cheapest is China. But to get one from even China will take two weeks. And will the card work? Some cards available from eBay cost around $US140 landed, such as 9600 ATI cards, but those almost all seem to be for G5s, and in order to work, they'd need to have two of their contacts taped up. There is a "new" 9600 for Macs card - those do work in G4s as well as G5s, they were a drop in card and pretty good - but the cost landed is quite a lot, around $US 300 landed. Phew ... It would work though ...
5 - Wait a week and buy an earlier G4 Powermac locally - there are two for sale here that I can find. One is for parts but has a 16MB card left in it, with a power supply, a CD drive and a Zip drive in it by the looks of it, it looks like single 780hz unit.
Hmmm
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I’ll take a go at this:
1) Finding another card for your MDD is probably the most sage bet here. Although I’m not the owner of a MDD (my closest being a very early G4 tower, ages ago), I understand that you may be able to use other AGP/PCI video cards which not only were around during the MDD era, but also cards which came out after the MDD era (with certain modifications, such as taping certain pins and so on). As for booting into 9.2.2, there may be ways to do so with later GPU cards installed, but again, this is out of my purview (and there may be more system tweaking to do).
2) I wouldn’t see why not. It may not be as fast or robust as the Radeon 9000, but it would be AGP (albeit a short-slot 2x AGP).
3) Yeah. That’s a tough one (and with pals there, it often is, no matter the part in need).
4) Spend a little more and have some patience for delivery might be a prudent route here — like from the PRC, Taiwan, or Thailand, if possible.
Just like macbookprodude, I just (yesterday) purchased a PowerBook G4 (17", not DLSD) from eBay. Can't wait to get it. I will upgrade the memory to 2GB soon, and later put in a SSD when I have the time and am feeling adventuresome. There was no one good picture showing the entire laptop since the pictures focused on parts of it to show the condition, so I'll just show the screen shot of the System Report and the specs in the title of the eBay page.
[Edit: It actually has an HDD, not an SSD - I confirmed with the seller before purchasing. This is why I will eventually do an HDD to SSD swap.]
[Edit: It actually has an HDD, not an SSD - I confirmed with the seller before purchasing. This is why I will eventually do an HDD to SSD swap.]
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Hey guys,
I found a card .... in a double mirror door with a failed power supply. I bought the machine ... but then the chap came back and said he'd give me the card if I paid for the courier ... I am thinking he now reckons his computer may be worth more than he thought? Perhaps I should offer him more money ... it has a 9000 pro card in it, the same as my failed one. I know these machines are worth hardly anything ... but are power supplies available that fit? Maybe I could get that machine, use its card, unit eventually I find another one ... but the only purpose I really have for a PowerPC besides recovering the data I need, is to play Strategic Conquest version 3.01 again ... and the novelty of System 9 i guess. And also, to find out if my old Quark Xpress still works ... if it does, then wow, I could very easily print some huge prints for some walls in my house ... Quark's printing was awesome at doing that ... I loved that program back in the day ...
I found a card .... in a double mirror door with a failed power supply. I bought the machine ... but then the chap came back and said he'd give me the card if I paid for the courier ... I am thinking he now reckons his computer may be worth more than he thought? Perhaps I should offer him more money ... it has a 9000 pro card in it, the same as my failed one. I know these machines are worth hardly anything ... but are power supplies available that fit? Maybe I could get that machine, use its card, unit eventually I find another one ... but the only purpose I really have for a PowerPC besides recovering the data I need, is to play Strategic Conquest version 3.01 again ... and the novelty of System 9 i guess. And also, to find out if my old Quark Xpress still works ... if it does, then wow, I could very easily print some huge prints for some walls in my house ... Quark's printing was awesome at doing that ... I loved that program back in the day ...