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Top two for me are no dual processors.

No matter how fast and powerful it would be, you could double that if it had two.


One internal drive.

I have 6 drives plus my optical inside my MP in addition to my RAID. Needing a whole other drive tower for my storage needs sucks.


I'd love some PCI :rolleyes: but I guess that would be asking too much now...
 
For one, not any virtual machine that I know will let you run Mac on Linux or Windows, only on another Mac.

Don't forget your sharing resources between the host & client machines. Performance may be exceptionally poor on many professional software programs, if it will run at all.

I have Virtual Box running OSX on a linux host. It works just fine and it wasn’t much different than a typical Hackintosh install process.

And I’m not really talking about matching the nMP performance inside the OSX VM. Presumably you’re switching to linux because most of your stuff will run natively (and probably faster) on linux anyway. But you might like those cute GUIs on OSX/Windows for certain lighter tasks (like say some Excel/Word work).
 
Top two for me are no dual processors.

No matter how fast and powerful it would be, you could double that if it had two.

Technically, no. The more cores you double, the less of an effect you have each time. Known as Amdahl’s law. I mean, yes it is faster, but not as fast as you think it is. Im wondering if we eventually might hit a limit and even see software slowdown because of it.
 
Oh my god, so beautiful ... :rolleyes:

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For me it is the required cable clutter and the lack of gpu upgrades. I had an iMac before I bought my Mac Pro in 2010 and my setup ended up extremely cluttered with the iMac. It would be even worse with the new Mac Pro.
 
Technically, no. The more cores you double, the less of an effect you have each time. Known as Amdahl’s law. I mean, yes it is faster, but not as fast as you think it is. Im wondering if we eventually might hit a limit and even see software slowdown because of it.

In my experience most things that get up to 12 cores efficiently will be pretty linear to 24 as well. You might have spec-up the RAM and disk read/write speeds to keep up, but generally that's with in bounds too.
 
In my experience most things that get up to 12 cores efficiently will be pretty linear to 24 as well. You might have spec-up the RAM and disk read/write speeds to keep up, but generally that's with in bounds too.

+1

We test this kind of thing all the time for our render farm. With current software and hardware, 2 sockets is the sweet spot. Going from 2-4 is where the scaling starts to drop off and the costs skyrocket.
 
I changed my mind "-)

Most disappointed that there isn't a Dual CPU single Graphics option. A dual Quad or Hex core would be faster and cost much less than the current 8 core and 12 core. Could also have 2X the ram slots for all us non-video Mac Pro Users....

Any chance they will release a dual CPU one graphics version - or do dual CPUs have to live on the same motherboard??
 
Well, I hope "woefully inadequate" proves to be hyperbole.

I'm fine working from a command line. I use Terminal all the time as it is. Used to compile lots of apps from source---until I discovered MacPorts. :)
It's kind of a touchy subject for unix/linux heads.
it is certainly possible to do just about anything with a modern linux distro that any other OS can do. I would be stupid to argue against that. It's one of the strengths of Linux that it is a swiss army knife of an operating system and most of the apps are free or cheap.
The other great thing IMHO is that you can jettison all that nonsense you aren't using. So if it's just serving SQL queries who needs printer support or a fancy GUI? You can turn that swiss army knife into a pocket knife with just the blades you use.
This ability to streamline the OS to suit the job naturally means it has a performance advantage over Wintel and Mac machines, all other variables being the same.
The rough bit is that your average Jane or Joe will have a hard time working out dependencies and such to take advantage of this feature.
This is my point, Linux has come a long way, but it's still really a server OS.
I just can't imagine working from a Linux box as my workstation unless I am doing web dev work.
I know guys that do that, and they are smug as hell about it. And yes I get a little smug myself when they can't print, or scan because there isn't a manufacturer or open source driver yet. (less frequent these days).

Honestly, I wish Adobe would port to Linux. The Art Director and I have weekly kvetch-fests about the pathetic attempts of Microsoft and Apple to inject hipness into their OS or inflict mobile paradigms on the desktop.
We joke about starting a 3rd OS with no BS that just does content creation, except Linux already is that. But the major software guys ignore it. And sorry, Gimp is not CS6.
 
It's kind of a touchy subject for unix/linux heads. it is certainly possible to do just about anything with a modern linux distro that any other OS can do. I would be stupid to argue against that. It's one of the strengths of Linux that it is a swiss army knife of an operating system and most of the apps are free or cheap.

Yeah, the flip side to this is that while it's possible to do any task with Linux it's also true that for any given task there's a platform which is superior to Linux for that task. It does any task you can imagine in a mediocre manner and none of them the best. That's not a slight against Linux, just the reality of what you get when the platform is being developed by an uncoordinated mass of people and organizations that have differing and often conflicting goals. Whatever you're trying to do in Linux you could be doing better or easier on another platform (outside of maybe developing Linux kernel code).

Also, porting commercial software to Linux is an even bigger bag of hurt than BluRay because of the abject lack of standardization. You end up having to just target a handful of distress, and a specific (and lagged) set of versions of those distress. :)

I know guys that do that, and they are smug as hell about it. And yes I get a little smug myself when they can't print, or scan because there isn't a manufacturer or open source driver yet. (less frequent these days).

Yeah, this exactly matches my experience as well.
 
Oh my god, so beautiful ... :rolleyes:

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For me it is the required cable clutter and the lack of gpu upgrades. I had an iMac before I bought my Mac Pro in 2010 and my setup ended up extremely cluttered with the iMac. It would be even worse with the new Mac Pro.

I'm with you
Mu wife had a iMac that she had 6 drives plugged into it, The drives were going to sleep it was a pain so she inherited my old MacPro 4.1 and now she is on 6 core 5.1
 
Biggest disappointment: No PCIe slots

Internal storage would've been nice as well.

Also, from what I'm seeing, the LGA2011 i7's are really awesome for a lot of tasks (cheaper too?).

I'm waiting to see how a real hot benchmark will run (CPU + dual GPU) and how loud it will be.
 
MacMini On Steroids

Let's face it, it is a high performance MacMini with LESS mass storage options. Lack of expansion (both drive bays & PCI slots), paying for graphics performance I'll never need rate among my top complaints.

To connect all my current devices and buy external enclosures for my internal components of my 2009 MacPro, I would need to spend about a $800 minimum. That's after I spend the money for the nMP. The sleek and sexy looking nMP will go unnoticed next the pill of cables, power bricks, and drive enclosures next to it.

If I had a choice to buy the nMP or the old version, Old version wins hands down. Not everyone has a server farm off in some closet somewhere.
 
To connect all my current devices and buy external enclosures for my internal components of my 2009 MacPro, I would need to spend about a $800 minimum. That's after I spend the money for the nMP. The sleek and sexy looking nMP will go unnoticed next the pill of cables, power bricks, and drive enclosures next to it.
I'm not sure it's anywhere near as bad as some people keep suggesting. Firstly, how many enclosures do you really need to replace what you currently have internally? I have five drives inside my current Mac Pro, and there are definitely enclosures that can fit all that; expensive yes, but not so much so that buying lots of smaller enclosures would be cheaper. Thunderbolt can easily provide the bandwidth needed for that many drives. It's also possible to use USB3 depending on your exact needs, but it's not really recommended unless you can find an affordable USB3 enclosure with hardware RAID (as USB doesn't handle multiple drives over a single connection very well), but most of those approach Thunderbolt enclosure prices anyway.

The other thing people don't seem to be thinking about is; you don't have to put those enclosures right next to the new Mac Pro. Some computer desks come with a shelf underneath for hiding away drives, routers etc., or you can put them an under-desk cupboard (though you should get one with space for air to flow).

Not saying the cable clutter isn't regrettable; I just recently moved a desk used by my family for two computers, and had to handle all the cabling for that, which is a pain to do neatly, and I think had a total of 11 power connectors, four of which were power bricks, and 3 of which were plug-in adaptors (of which one was ridiculously huge). That's covering one Time Machine drive each, the machines themselves, monitor for the Mac Mini, a pair of external speakers each, a printer, a scanner, a switch for my wired network and I don't even remember what else.

To be honest I'm not sure a new Mac Pro is really that much worse than the detritus you can accumulate for any machine, plus for professionals an external enclosure has been necessary for bulk storage anyway; the main issue there is that many existing enclosures are Mini-SAS or eSATA, neither of which is directly compatible with the new Mac Pro.
 
The price is the biggest disappointment, for 3,000 bucks you get only a 256GB storage and a quad core processor. Seems ridiculously expensive for me.
 
I'm not sure it's anywhere near as bad as some people keep suggesting. Firstly, how many enclosures do you really need to replace what you currently have internally? I have five drives inside my current Mac Pro, and there are definitely enclosures that can fit all that; expensive yes, but not so much so that buying lots of smaller enclosures would be cheaper. Thunderbolt can easily provide the bandwidth needed for that many drives. It's also possible to use USB3 depending on your exact needs, but it's not really recommended unless you can find an affordable USB3 enclosure with hardware RAID (as USB doesn't handle multiple drives over a single connection very well), but most of those approach Thunderbolt enclosure prices anyway.

The other thing people don't seem to be thinking about is; you don't have to put those enclosures right next to the new Mac Pro. Some computer desks come with a shelf underneath for hiding away drives, routers etc., or you can put them an under-desk cupboard (though you should get one with space for air to flow).

Not saying the cable clutter isn't regrettable; I just recently moved a desk used by my family for two computers, and had to handle all the cabling for that, which is a pain to do neatly, and I think had a total of 11 power connectors, four of which were power bricks, and 3 of which were plug-in adaptors (of which one was ridiculously huge). That's covering one Time Machine drive each, the machines themselves, monitor for the Mac Mini, a pair of external speakers each, a printer, a scanner, a switch for my wired network and I don't even remember what else.

To be honest I'm not sure a new Mac Pro is really that much worse than the detritus you can accumulate for any machine, plus for professionals an external enclosure has been necessary for bulk storage anyway; the main issue there is that many existing enclosures are Mini-SAS or eSATA, neither of which is directly compatible with the new Mac Pro.

The huge expenses, aside from the desk clutter is a major issue. After buying the new Mac Pro, your expenses gets higher as you still need to continue spending more. Even the thunderbolt cable needs to be added to your total cost. Mtennes mentioned in his posting on spending $800 as like others who posted, the high price tag was a problem. I have more than a thousand graphic images and currently I have 6 internal HDs in my Mac Pro and I just could not afford to spend that much on a new machine.

People and companies just have varied needs, setups and workflows and. The new Mac Pro may work well to some and to others the machine does not.
 
That says it all - "varied needs"

People and companies just have varied needs, setups and workflows and. The new Mac Pro may work well to some and to others the machine does not.

So why do you think MattDSLR spends all day bad mouthing a machine that is not for him but may be perfect for someone else?

Edit: Sorry I should be asking him and not you.

If you read thousands of posts on this forum the bottom line is that everyone has different storage, display, backup scheme, etc.. It all depends on your needs, comfort level, budget and many other factors. I'm happy for him that his wife has a Mac Pro - my wife has a 2007 iMac. He should be thankful for what he has.
 
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The price is the biggest disappointment, for 3,000 bucks you get only a 256GB storage and a quad core processor. Seems ridiculously expensive for me.

Well, the last base model I bought, a 1,1 cMP, was a dual processor with a 500GB HD and 5GB of ram, and a crappy video card, for $2500, so...

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So why do you think MattDSLR spends all day bad mouthing a machine that is not for him but may be perfect for someone else?

Well, he's compensating for something... :rolleyes:
 
So, for now we have:
Price
Expandability
Storage
Internal Bays
Video Cards (or luck of some features build into cards for gaming)
Multiple CPU options
Ram limitation do to single CPU (4 vs 8 slots)
Looks
Luck of displays with TB2
Luck of apple storage options and not 3rd party
CPU speeds much slower comparing to current models (iMac, rMBP and MP5.1 are faster in allots of cases).
The computer will use less power but all the external storage will consume more power the the existing 5.1 MP, so there will be no savings in power usage.
 
That pretty much covers everything about the system.

Lot of unhappy people here at MacRumors. Nothing new though. Sadly par for the course.
 
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