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What is your biggest disappointment with nMP?
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It doesn't boot Windows 7. For a professional workstation and bearing in mind most of them do not run Windows 8 on their workstations as the corporate market do not like it I think them dropping support is scandalous.
Hopefully it's an EFI only boot issue and installing Windows 7 can be worked around that. If not Apple you need shooting with the four letter word that rhymes with hit, I hope you burn the turkey and your Christmas tree falls down
Hopefully it's an EFI only boot issue and installing Windows 7 can be worked around that. If not Apple you need shooting with the four letter word that rhymes with hit, I hope you burn the turkey and your Christmas tree falls down
Comparing GB scores is a fruitless exercise. I also think some people are comparing 32 bit and 64 bit scores.
Gee Matt, your personal vendetta to make everyone hate the nMP seems to be working. What's next, the pope?..
Gee Matt, your personal vendetta to make everyone hate the nMP seems to be working. What's next, the pope?..
lol, to answer the question: This topic is probably the biggest disappointment.
Apple is just being Apple. They always trend out technologies before they have actually trended out. And they are almost always right! This is a form factor for probably the next 10 years. I hope nobody is using spinning disks of any kind in 5 years let alone 10...
If you're not comfortable with it keep on to your 5,1 mac for a couple of years...
This guy either can't afford the nMP and is just upset that it's getting so many great reviews, or he completely misunderstands the target market and workflow/action set for this machine. Glad mine is coming this week.
Mine's on order as well, but I am awaiting Barefeats getting their hands on a nMP for some real world tests. Might change my order based on the video card results once those are in.
Well that's the problem. Barefeats always tests After Effects, Photoshop, Crysis, World of Warcraft, and all the top games they can get their hands on, NONE of which are optimized for those GPUs, so their 3.5Ghz 2013 iMac will beat the Mac Pro in every gaming result. However, TheVerge's review is probably the best for my purposes as it was aimed at video editors. Once Adobe CC is optimized over the next few months, it'll trounce the old Mac Pros, no question.
Even if it is slightly slower we've had 3 imacs in the house, all have had their graphics cards replaced within 3 years. One of them 2 times... So even if it is a little slower i prefer the mac pro.
Lol nice topic highjacking btw
On with the nMP bashing...
Hi ABCDEF Hex. No worries on this.
You can ask Matt while inviting him for a cup of coffee and some snacks. I guess there's no perfect workstation that can please all users worldwide. I was thinking if everyone had the same opinions, same workflows and tastes on one type of machine, life may be a bit boring. Just got off the phone with my friend and he has been repeatedly persuading me to buy the new Mac Pro as he ordered his own. I told him, Dude,when you get to receive your nMPro, just enjoy and have fun with it. In the meantime, let's enjoy the Holidays.I don't think spinning disks will quite go away in the next decade, but they probably will end up in a role similar to that presently occupied by data tape something still used commercially by folks with particular requirements, but that normal end users never really come into contact with.
Yeah. It's a heat thing. The 12 just can't crank up all that high without melting
Always true to some degree...but it sounds more to me that they don't want to make the thermal management investment - for example, one of my projects right now is achieving a dissipation of 200 watts/square centimeter, which if you ask DARPA, isn't hard today for electronics cooling. The harder part is to do it without liquid cooling
Great question ... now please go ask Adobe why this hasn't been in Photoshop since back when Apple was selling G4's (let alone anything this decade)
Did just that {edit: analysis} last year. After analyzing it for my use case, got the 2012 instead...and that was before any risk management 'handicapping' comsiderations for the iMac thermal envelope limitations.
Wrong on both counts. The beef with the nMP isn't with the nMP per se, but rather that with it completely replacing the old design, there's a set of Apple customers who now see that their use case has been _abandoned_ by Apple.
Sure, we can cobble together something that will (mostly) work for our use case, but it will cost more for less capability, which means that it is a dramatically worse value product. So while it is great that some folks are "kid in a candy store" happy, there's others of us who are confronting a dead end alley. Maybe the 2015 Mac Pro will suck less for our specific use cases, but that's not a particularly endearing business factor to have hanging over one's head for the next 2-3 years ... YMMV, but I loath uncertainty in such matters.
-hh
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With 48 TB on my home workstation, it will be quite some time before SSD prices fall enough for me to eliminate spinning drives....
Maybe for you. The nMP replaces my current system perfectly and gives me more than an upgrade since I use apps that take advantage of the dual-GPUs and have an all-Thunderbolt storage environment. This is a dream machine for my use case and my export times will allow me to get projects done faster and move on to the next ones, which means more $$$ for me.
Edit: Not to mention that I can now put this LITERALLY in my backpack and take it to a client-site.
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With 48 TB on my home workstation, it will be quite some time before SSD prices fall enough for me to eliminate spinning drives....
And here's the other end of the bell curve demonstrating why the 4 internal drive bays in the old Mac Pro chassis are yesterday's technology. 4 internal drive bays (5 if you steal an optical bay) just doesn't serve either end of the spectrum of users. They're either unnecessary, or woefully inadequate. Data is so big these days that it just doesn't make sense to store it inside the computer.
My staff either work with so much data that you can't store it on just four drives -- or so little data that they're happy with a single SSD. None of my users really fall into that middle ground that the old Mac Pro could absorb alone.
Exactly. I have 24TB Thunderbolt archive at my home office, and 200TB+ at my main client office for archive. Many of my projects aren't over 2TB, so after my AE ingests all the footage onto the main 200+TB server, I put a copy on a 2TB Thunderbolt drive and bring it home. I have no need for 4 internal drives, just one super-fast boot drive, which the nMP gives me beautifully. Now, I can unplug one TB cable and bring my nMP with me from my home office, and with one TB cable, I'm jacked into my client's server and can just work.
@aiden..
what does the 48TB consist of?
to me, that's borderline mind boggling.. but then again, i don't shoot video and i'm a pretty strict editor when it comes to photos i keep.. (as in- i only scan the goods and maybes.. you know- an image or two every couple rolls )
as far as work goes, i think i'm blessed in the storage requirements dept.
what are you all doing which requires the mega storage?
what does the 48TB consist of?
to me, that's borderline mind boggling.. but then again, i don't shoot video and i'm a pretty strict editor when it comes to photos i keep.. (as in- i only scan the goods and maybes.. you know- an image or two every couple rolls
)as far as work goes, i think i'm blessed in the storage requirements dept.
what are you all doing which requires the mega storage?
Only 12-core with slow clock speed?
Why not 16-core or 24-core?
WTF Apple?
It might have something to do with no one having $25,000 to spend on a computer. And its super fast anyway.
Actually, I would bet that your "bell curve" would find that the vast majority of users would be happy with the 16+TB of data that the old cheese grater could hold. (Or any of the competing, smaller workstations with 4 or 5 drive bays in addition to 1 or 2 "SSD" bays for 2.5" drives.)
The new Mini Pro with only one premium-priced high performance drive is only good for the left side of the curve.
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@aiden..
what does the 48TB consist of?
to me, that's borderline mind boggling.. but then again, i don't shoot video and i'm a pretty strict editor when it comes to photos i keep.. (as in- i only scan the goods and maybes.. you know- an image or two every couple rolls
as far as work goes, i think i'm blessed in the storage requirements dept.
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what are you all doing which requires the mega storage?
Take your pick of:
- a mind-boggling collection of gay porn
- various VMs running different OS and DB versions, and a manual mirror of the the VM pool for backups
Only 12-core with slow clock speed?
Why not 16-core or 24-core?
WTF Apple?
buy a 12core and a quad..
probably costs close to the same as a 16core would be.
better yet, get two 12core.. or 4 even.. i mean surely 48cores is better than 16.. right? way better..
you've been able to buy as many cores as you want for quite some time now.. it's just that nobody does it because cpus are way too expensive.
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fancy.. must be all high def then
I guess it hinges on your definition of the set "users." Are we talking about the majority of computer users in general, or the majority of computer users who are spending between $4K and $12K on their workstation? I'd imagine that latter, smaller set of users trends more to the extremes (Happily accepting, though, that Apple may have stayed true-to-form and made the leap about a year too early for comfort). I definitely think it's the right direction in either case.
No, it's aimed squarely at the left and right sides of the bell. The small data guys and the big data guys both.
As I already said:
"...isn't with the nMP per se, but ... there's a set of Apple customers who now see that their use case has been _abandoned_ by Apple..."
That merely means that you weren't one of the abandoned ones ... this time.
-hh
