From https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/new-product/laptop/microsoft-surface-book-3-3679027/
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What kinds of Windows laptops do you want to see at CES?
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From https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/new-product/laptop/microsoft-surface-book-3-3679027/
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I have not been following laptop reviews lately as I have been focusing on building a desktop. Originally I planned to wait until August for the X1 Extreme 2 to come out but now I got a new job and need a new Windows laptop within a month. What suggestions do you have? Here are the requirements:
Below 1.8kg
Ideally 15" LCD with 4K display. Last time I had X1 Yoga Gen 3 with WQHD (2560x1440) resolutions. It was a bit low for me. I wonder if 14" LCD with 4K resolutions and increased font size would be suitable.
6+ hours of battery life. Ideally 8+ hours but if the AC adapter is as light as the X1E's, I may consider a 6+ hours machine.
Silent machine please. I don't care much about the GPU nor powerful CPU this time. Just a relatively fast machine for basic productivity is fine. Having Nvidia GPU is not a requirement.
16 GB is fine. If it has 32GB option, I opt for it but not a must.
Excellent aftercare and customer services. I bougt a LG monitor and it was defective. At that time LG customer service was poor. Don't know about their laptop department.
Any suggestion?
Below 1.8kg
Ideally 15" LCD with 4K display. Last time I had X1 Yoga Gen 3 with WQHD (2560x1440) resolutions. It was a bit low for me. I wonder if 14" LCD with 4K resolutions and increased font size would be suitable.
6+ hours of battery life. Ideally 8+ hours but if the AC adapter is as light as the X1E's, I may consider a 6+ hours machine.
Silent machine please. I don't care much about the GPU nor powerful CPU this time. Just a relatively fast machine for basic productivity is fine. Having Nvidia GPU is not a requirement.
16 GB is fine. If it has 32GB option, I opt for it but not a must.
Excellent aftercare and customer services. I bougt a LG monitor and it was defective. At that time LG customer service was poor. Don't know about their laptop department.
Any suggestion?
SB2 15" was dead silent. No tweaking needed. 13" SB2 would suite you rather well I guess.
Thanks. The SB2 15" is just a bit heavier than the X1E but I could feel the different and it does feel heavy. Don't know the reason... As for the SB2 13", I guess I won't know if the fonts are comfortable to look at until I actually try out the laptop for a few days. So, still no words about new SB3?
I love the 4K screen of the X1E but not the noise. If I just turn off the Nvidia GPU and use the iGPU all the time, will I still get those annoying fan noise?
I love the 4K screen of the X1E but not the noise. If I just turn off the Nvidia GPU and use the iGPU all the time, will I still get those annoying fan noise?
SB2 isn’t 4K, but it’s higher resolution than the MBP Retina and display is bright and text crisp.
I wouldn’t expect to hear much about SB3 until late summer/early fall with an October release
There I also the Surface Laptop 2.
I would suggest the X1 Carbon, but that will be FHD display.
Guessing the processor of the X1 E will still generate a fair amount of heat compared to SB2, so likely the fans will still be heard.
I wouldn’t expect to hear much about SB3 until late summer/early fall with an October release
There I also the Surface Laptop 2.
I would suggest the X1 Carbon, but that will be FHD display.
Guessing the processor of the X1 E will still generate a fair amount of heat compared to SB2, so likely the fans will still be heard.
Damn, times have changed, it feels like just yesterday I was searching for a sub 15 inch laptop that didn't have 1366x768 resolution. There was not a single one on display at BestBuy with higher resolution. And finally gigabyte released U2442, their first laptop ever, with gtx940m, 1600x900 resolution in 14 inch body, following with P34 with FHD resolution same year. This ancient time was Anno Domini 2013.
With the just announced i9 mobile CPUs and those new Nvidia RTX mobile GPUs, how likely will the thermal situation be improved?
If you mean the new Intel 8 core processors? They'll run hotter then what we have now and while the RTX is a tad cooler, the reviews I've seen have not shown any marked decrease in thermals. The issue is that RTX is solely being used in gaming rigs and those bad boys will have aggressive fans, something I know that you don't want.
I mean:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Detai...9-9980HK-to-be-the-flagship-SKU.409696.0.html
[doublepost=1550702130][/doublepost]I wonder why Lenovo still uses Nvidia 1050 in Gen 2 of X1E. The new gen is a bit lighter though.
https://i.redd.it/fugokrlwcsh21.png
No idea, I'm not defending or castigating them. What GPU would you see them use? To my knowledge, there is not a newer variant to the 1050, and it doesn't make sense (to me) to use a 1060/1070 or an RTX model.
Maybe the 4K version of the just announced Thinkpad T590 fits my requirements well.
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Why doesn't make sense to use a RTX model if it is quieter and have higher performance?
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Why doesn't make sense to use a RTX model if it is quieter and have higher performance?
Good question, mostly because I don't think its a must have addition/upgrade. This laptop isn't specifically aimed at content creators or gamers. That level of power will largely not be utilized by Lenovo's core audience. Why use a more expensive component, and the newer RTX GPUs are pricier, make no mistake when the tried and true 1050-TI fits the bill.
Just look at this thread and Dave2D makes some excellent points on why the newer RTX laptops are not a good buy [yet] and that logic fits somewhat imo with Lenovo a business laptop company not using a higher end GPU.
Are they quieter? I thought that there was no marked improvement in thermals. If true, I would guess that an RTX equipped machine would not be markedly quieter.
They do run a tad cooler, but its cooler then the its counterpart, i.e., GTX 1060 vs. RTX 2060. The 1050 may have better thermals between them all
That would be my guess as well, as I believe the 1060 ran a fair bit hotter than the 1050Ti in the X1 Extreme. I am not sure, unless Lenovo makes a change to the thermals, that an RTX equipped v2 will run any quieter than the current v1
I will probably will happy with MX250 for on-the-go work.
1050Ti max-q in X1E has 45W TDP. Life with RTX2060 max-q starts at 70W. Nvidia simply didn’t release anything at the 1050 level in RTX package yet.
I didn't dig into the details, but i thought the RTX may be cooler then the 1060 but not cooler then the 1050.
Somewhere I read that rtx series has better thermal than the 10x0. Of course good on paper does not mean good in practice.
Right now Nvidia made it so convoluted that unless you know exact specs of particular laptop you can't really tell just by the GPU SKU. In general, above 2070 the RTX should be cooler (lower TDP than 1070+), 2060 hotter (higher TDP than 1060). But the adjustable power brackets are pretty wide and it may well be the other way around.
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Yes, RTX is more power efficient, but the OEM can configure TDP at will so the result in terms of heat can be all over the place. But it will be always faster than 10xx at the same heat levels.
I think you need to compare apples to apples that is 2060 vs 1060, not 2060 vs 1050. I don't think you can say the 2060 will run cooler then any older GPU that predates the 1060.
1050 is another league than the higher SKUs obviously, by the virtue of ~40% lower power consumption, so yeah - there is nothing to compare it to right now. Kind of like when apple put Vega 20 in MBP, and everybody seemed to miss the point that they did an equivalent of replacing 1050 with 1070. But other than that it is pretty hard to establish what's an apple and what's an orange. Just an example how that looks like in MSI GS65:
1070 Max-Q 85W TDP
2080 Max-Q 80W TDP
2060 70W TDP
Razer Blade :
2070 Max-Q 80W TDP
1070 Max-Q 80W TDP
And those things can be configured up to 90-100W. To get those TDP numbers you have to rummage through forums looking for people posting screenshots from HWInfo, none of the reviewers seem to be concerned about this, and IMHO this is the most important property of an GPU in a laptop that puts their relative performance into proper perspective.
But if the 2060 can now run marginally higher then a 1050 that's worth pointing out and comparing