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warp9

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Is it worth getting Apple care plus with these? $250 premium in Canada for it
Yes, for laptops. Much more to go wrong.

And I would get the Pro if you intend on gaming, otherwise the frame rate will drop suddenly around the 10 minute mark.
 

bousozoku

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Curious as I’ve never used the Mac OS. What is it they are changing that seems to be turning people off of them?

The changes from iOS 13.x to 14.x are enough to show their intent to push us in another direction. I already have my groups set. I don't need them to tell me what they are. In the past, they removed "Camera Roll" and within a month or two, brought it back.

When I started to use macOS Catalina, I was surprised that iTunes didn't exist. When I needed to sync my phone, Finder did that, as if the code was removed from one buggy application and added into another buggy application.

It's not as though they actually notice how people use their computers and try to make them better. They look at how the developers at Apple use their computers and make changes to suit themselves.
 

Yebubbleman

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Appreciate the honest input on the matter. I’m not a fanboy of either platform, for phones I do love my iphones, tried the android world a few times and wasn’t for me. On the computer side of things, it’s always been pc/Xbox, kids came along and haven’t had a pc in years now, but Im still the tech support guy for my wife’s windows work pc lol. I appreciate what both sides have to offer, it’s just a matter of which suits me the best.

Now to put a bit of a spin on this, I’m ruling out gaming on the checklist. I just think for my needs (ultra light with great battery life) that I’m asking too much. Even most higher end lightweight windows gaming laptops can’t actually game that great off battery for both battery life and performance. Honestly I’m very happy with my Xbox set up anyways, hooked up to a 27” 144hz Lg monitor, it does great.

When I take the gaming factor out of the equation, the MacBook is definitely pulling out ahead for me because of the eco system factor. My biggest usage factor now is browsing the web, videos, some zoom meetings and some light photo editing for my iPhone pictures.

I just wish I had access to a MacBook for a week to see if I like the OS. I personally like the windows 10 OS, but it’s also very familiar to me so I’m biased that way having no Mac experience
Getting used to macOS coming from Windows isn't hard. The one thing that seems to trip up newbies to macOS is that the Red "x" button doesn't close most applications (there are notable exceptions to this, but it's still not the norm) and that you either need to use Command-Q to quit the application or you'll need to go to that application's menu and select "Quit <insert name of application here>". Otherwise, you install things by either running an installer, or dragging the application(s) (which are self-contained) to the "Applications" folder.

But, certainly, if you're eliminating gaming from your list of requirements, and you don't need Windows or the ability to virtualize x86 versions of Windows, Linux, or macOS, an M1 Mac sounds like it'll fit your needs just fine.

I will say that, as far as the ecosystem is concerned, there aren't as many hooks between the Mac and the iPhone as you'd think. It really boils down to being able to send and receive iMessages/SMS, answer your phone calls, and then the Calendar/Notes/Contacts apps. (And really, you can still get that kind of integration between Windows and iPhone or between macOS and Android; save for maybe the Notes app). Otherwise, macOS + iOS is a far cry from iPadOS + iOS. That integration is hard to beat.
 

Yebubbleman

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Windows updates can be disabled completely if you have the Pro version.
You can't disable updates completely with Windows 10 Pro. You can't really do it with Enterprise either. But you can set a deferral schedule and have control over when updates get installed. Then again, in 95% of cases, updates don't cause damage. Feature Updates, being whole new Windows 10 versions, CAN be problematic if installed day 1, but those can now be installed on demand up until the point in which one's current version of Windows 10 is leaving support (though, I've never found any practical use cases, other than paranoia, to defer longer than two months).
 

warp9

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You can't disable updates completely with Windows 10 Pro.
Gpedit-->computer configuration-->administrative templates-->windows components-->windows update.

Set "Configure Automatic Updates" to "Disabled".

And most enterprise licenses are within a domain so AD group policy will be setting updates policies.

Then again, in 95% of cases, updates don't cause damage.
When a workstation that's been running a simulation for 3 days force reboots overnight to install updates, I consider that damage.

I have no issue with the actual updates themselves. It's Microsofts militant behaviour that gets me. Removing the users ability to control how they run their business is beyond the pale.
 

1BadManVan

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My head hurts from reading so many damn reviews between windows and macbooks lol. Im almost convinced onhe Zephyrus G14, 7nm amd Ryzen 4000 series, Rtx 2060, 10-11 hours battery life as well

it seems to be a very well rounded laptop. Obviously not as thin and light as a MacBook, but still only 3.5lbs, magnesium allow body.

Even the max tech review comparing it to the MacBook was pretty impressed and gave the M1 a run for it’s money.
 

1240766

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I'll be completely petty here (but honest), the reason I picked the MBP over the Air is because the bottom of the display says "Pro" at the bottom of the screen instead of "Air" and that just makes me feel like more of a boss. I don't buy these things often, so when I do I want the best one. The extra battery life is valuable to me as well. And I like the Touch Bar, it's far from a killer feature, but I don't mind it. To each their own though.

Wow ... Really interesting comment here

You need to look at what a computer has stamped to feel good about yourself
 

ADGrant

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I will say that, as far as the ecosystem is concerned, there aren't as many hooks between the Mac and the iPhone as you'd think. It really boils down to being able to send and receive iMessages/SMS, answer your phone calls, and then the Calendar/Notes/Contacts apps. (And really, you can still get that kind of integration between Windows and iPhone or between macOS and Android; save for maybe the Notes app). Otherwise, macOS + iOS is a far cry from iPadOS + iOS. That integration is hard to beat.

Well there is also FaceTime, Photos and Music and I don't think you can send iMessages or SMS messages from a Windows laptop or make FaceTime calls.

iPadOS and iOS are basically the same OS but aside from being able to run iOS apps, I am not seeing much greater integration between an iPad and an iPhone vs a Mac and and iPhone. With an M1 Mac you can run iOS apps on the Mac. Perhaps not well but running iPhone only apps on an iPad isn't a wonderful experience either.
 

ADGrant

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MS Office for Mac is crap. I'm using Outlook with Win and Mac - and Outlook for Mac has nowhere near the range of functions as its counterpart under windows
Outlook for Windows is crap, I have never bothered installing it on a Mac, the built in apps are fine.

I have not found any issues with the other office apps on a Mac. Someone using Excel as an application platform might though, Excel on the Mac isn't going to allow you to integrate with Windows dlls for example.
 

1240766

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Getting used to macOS coming from Windows isn't hard. The one thing that seems to trip up newbies to macOS is that the Red "x" button doesn't close most applications (there are notable exceptions to this, but it's still not the norm) and that you either need to use Command-Q to quit the application or you'll need to go to that application's menu and select "Quit <insert name of application here>". Otherwise, you install things by either running an installer, or dragging the application(s) (which are self-contained) to the "Applications" folder.

But, certainly, if you're eliminating gaming from your list of requirements, and you don't need Windows or the ability to virtualize x86 versions of Windows, Linux, or macOS, an M1 Mac sounds like it'll fit your needs just fine.

I will say that, as far as the ecosystem is concerned, there aren't as many hooks between the Mac and the iPhone as you'd think. It really boils down to being able to send and receive iMessages/SMS, answer your phone calls, and then the Calendar/Notes/Contacts apps. (And really, you can still get that kind of integration between Windows and iPhone or between macOS and Android; save for maybe the Notes app). Otherwise, macOS + iOS is a far cry from iPadOS + iOS. That integration is hard to beat.

more to it.... GoodNotes sync between all your devices, safari sync between all your devices, security is better than Windows, hardware IMO is better than any windows laptop in the market, the Apple logo looks much cooler, no need to reboot as often (if at all), Jobs vs Gates...
 

ADGrant

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Now we're talking about Apple, do not forget it.

It was said that Apple paid expensive licenses to Intel to use their processors. Apple did not lower the price of the MBA and MBP when using their "own" M1. It did not get cheaper for us consumers, only greater profit margin for Apple.
The CPU in the Intel MBA was a cheap low end part. I doubt it was more expensive than an M1.

The M1 MBA is providing high end performance (with some limitations) at the same cost as a device with one of Intels weakest CPUs.
 

1240766

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Good for Apple increasing their profits giving us better performance....remember, nobody makes you to get an Apple, or buy from Amazon, or go to stupid Facebook....

Apple and Amazon offer me what I want, glad to pay them for that.
 

rui no onna

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The CPU in the Intel MBA was a cheap low end part. I doubt it was more expensive than an M1.

The M1 MBA is providing high end performance (with some limitations) at the same cost as a device with one of Intels weakest CPUs.

The cheap low end parts are the Atoms, Celerons and Pentiums. I used to build desktops and the desktop i3s were $100-150. The i5s were typically $180-230. The MSRP for the mobile i3s is ~$280. I'm sure Apple's paying less than that but I'm guessing definitely more than $100.

The expensive thing about M1 is R&D. Per unit cost is going to be lower than Intel's.
 

bsmr

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more to it.... GoodNotes sync between all your devices, safari sync between all your devices, security is better than Windows, hardware IMO is better than any windows laptop in the market, the Apple logo looks much cooler, no need to reboot as often (if at all), Jobs vs Gates...
Safari Sync completely broken since months. Apple doesn’t care about. As always.
 

bsmr

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I have no issue with the actual updates themselves. It's Microsofts militant behaviour that gets me. Removing the users ability to control how they run their business is beyond the pale.
And what about Apple? No chance to control updates on Big Sur.
much more worse than Win10
 

Captain Trips

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Safari Sync completely broken since months. Apple doesn’t care about. As always.
Not for everyone. I have absolutely no problems with Safari Sync on all my Apple devices (Intel Mac mini 2014 on Big Sur 11.1, M1 MBP on Big Sur 11.1, iPhone XR on iOS 14.3, iPad mini 5 on iPad OS 14.3):
  • Bookmarks added as recently as yesterday show on all devices.
  • Recently added or changed passwords work on all devices.
  • Recently opened tabs in Safari are accessible in Safari on all devices.
 
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bsmr

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Not for everyone. I have absolutely no problems with Safari Sync on all my Apple devices (Intel Mac mini 2014 on Big Sur 11.1, M1 MBP on Big Sur 11.1, iPhone XR on iOS 14.3, iPad mini 5 on iPad OS 14.3):
  • Bookmarks added as recently as yesterday show on all devices.
  • Recently added or changed passwords work on all devices.
  • Recently opened tabs in Safari are accessible in Safari on all devices.
iCloud sync of actual opened tabs too? Don't care about passwords (don't use iCloud Keychain because of privacy reasons).
 

Serban55

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Now we're talking about Apple, do not forget it.

It was said that Apple paid expensive licenses to Intel to use their processors. Apple did not lower the price of the MBA and MBP when using their "own" M1. It did not get cheaper for us consumers, only greater profit margin for Apple.

I can not see that Apple will dump the prices of Macbooks.

I think more that Apple will do as they have done before keep a premium price on the latest and then sell older technology in a new shell such as SE version, all to increase profits.

If you want the latest and greatest, it leaves a big hole in your wallet.
Yes, the same apple that sells cheap ipad and cheap iphone SE or apple watch se
So expect an m1 macbook air next year in the fall for 499-599$
They didn’t decrease the price but the R&D (that cost a lot) is done now by apple for M1 and not by intel
So m1 mac is better value now than ever
 
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