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When this show first came out a few years ago, the previews didn't catch my interest and therefore I never tried watching it. Recently I saw some commercials for the current season and they looked pretty good. So now I am just getting started in season 1, currently on episode 3 and its not too bad so far.

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When this show first came out a few years ago, the previews didn't catch my interest and therefore I never tried watching it. Recently I saw some commercials for the current season and they looked pretty good. So now I am just getting started in season 1, currently on episode 3 and its not too bad so far.

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Good Show. Seasons 1 and 2 are spectacular. Season 3 was confusing and season 4 if pretty good so far.

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I know this was already released in the UK, but I'm just caught up with the AMC version.
 

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Holy Smokes, caught this trailer recently for AMC's original series, Preacher, starting soon. Have you seen it? It's enough for me to give it a try. :)

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Good Show. Seasons 1 and 2 are spectacular. Season 3 was confusing and season 4 if pretty good so far.

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I know this was already released in the UK, but I'm just caught up with the AMC version.

I think it's pretty good so far. :)
 

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How many episodes?

Four, and it is really enjoyable, entertaining, interesting and genuinely excellent. Yes, I am a huge fan of Mary Beard's, but she is a first rate historian, and I love her evident passion for - and salute and admire her knowledge of - her subject.

Her enthusiasm and effervescent passion are infectious, and she takes an oblique perspective (tonight, the olive oil economy was examined, among other matters,) when exploring certain elements of how the Empire worked.
 
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I found I, Claudius on Amazon Prime (free for Prime members). Will report back! :)

Ok, not free on Amazon Prime, even though it's listed there as $0, they have a link which advises an Acorn TV subscription is required, which my wife just happens to have. :) I'm wondering if Acorn is owned by Amazon?
 

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Ok, not free on Amazon Prime, even though it's listed there as $0, they have a link which advises an Acorn TV subscription is required, which my wife just happens to have. :) I'm wondering if Acorn is owned by Amazon?
Well, it seems that that service (not the streaming part of it) has been around since about the same time that Amazon has been around: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_TV
 

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I'll have to go see where I can find I, Claudius. :)
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I think the history of Gladiator is more of a historical representation of Rome vs a historical event, a general who became a slave and defied an emperor- did that never happened? When the movie came out I looked for accuracy checks and don't remember finding anything that said this story happened.

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I'm 4 episodes into I, Claudius (1976) on Acirn TV and enjoying this show while being appalled at what a predigious villian Livia (wife of Augusta Caesar) is. However for argument, the series while excellent is described as a fictional accounting in this article, the amount of blood on Livia's hands is most likely a presumption, although who knows for sure? My impression is the author upon who this series is based chose this approach for his narrative. Oh, I saw Capt Picard in a nefarious deed, but there are so many, who can keep count? ;)
 
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I'm 4 episodes into I, Claudius (1976) on Acirn TV and enjoying this show while being appalled at what a predigious villian Livia (wife of Augusta Caesar) is. However for argument, the series while excellent is described as a fictional accounting in this article, the amount of blood on Livia's hands is most likely a presumption, although who knows for sure? My impression is the author upon who this series is based chose this approach for his narrative. Oh, I saw Capt Picard in a nefarious deed, but there are so many, who can keep count? ;)

Glad you are enjoying it.

Yes, Livia is portrayed as pretty much the villain of the pice, but I think it can be argued that Augustus has managed a an extremely good public relations act for a very long time. This guy couldn't have won a vicious civil war, seen off all of his rivals, and lasted quite as long as he did, if he was as disinterested in power as his public image likes to suggest that he may have been.

Augustus always contrived to give the impression that he was a reluctant ruler, but he was extraordinarily ambitious, and was not quite the innocent his public image attempted to convey. Having said that, all accounts are agreed that his (second) marriage - to Livia - was happy, and that he probably married someone whom he regarded as a partner and a sort of equal.
 
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Glad you are enjoying it.

Yes, Livia is portrayed as pretty much the villain of the pice, but I think it can be argued that Augustus has managed a an extremely good public relations act for a very long time. This guy couldn't have won a vicious civil war, seen off all of his rivals, and lasted quite as long as he did, if he was as disinterested in power as his public image likes to suggest that he may have been.

Augustus always contrived to give the impression that he was a reluctant ruler, but he was extraordinarily ambitious, and was not quite the innocent his public image attempted to convey. Having said that, all accounts are agreed that his (second) marriage - to Livia - was happy, and that he probably married someone whom he regarded as a partner and a sort of equal.

Viewing of the series is complete, excellent performances, story, and brutal, with the right amount of nudity to keep if from being PG sanitized. ;) However watching this has made me sad wondering how such flawed creatures as humans can ever expect to approach perfection when controlled by our animal nature. :(
 
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Viewing of the series is complete, excellent performances and brutal, with the right amount of nudity to keep if from being PG sanitized. ;) However watching this has made me sad wondering how such flawed creatures as humans can ever expect to approach perfection when controlled by our animal nature. :(

Great series, agreed, and stunning acting.

Re a debate or discussion on 'animal nature', and, for that matter, human nature, and idealised notions of 'perfection', I very much doubt we will ever approach perfection, whatever that is.

However, I don't agree - or believe - that we are 'controlled' by 'our animal nature'.

Rather, I believe that human beings - some human beings - allow themselves, or give themselves, permission to behave in ways which violate cultural, legal, ethical, and moral norms in certain contexts or circumstances.
 
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Great series, agreed, and stunning acting.

Re a debate or discussion on 'animal nature', and, for that matter, human nature, and idealised notions of 'perfection', I very much doubt we will ever approach perfection, whatever that is.

However, I don't agree - or believe - that we are 'controlled' by 'our animal nature'.

Rather, I believe that human beings - some human beings - allow themselves, or give themselves, permission to behave in ways which violate cultural, legal, ethical, and moral norms in certain contexts or circumstances.

I admit that a story like this inundates the viewer with dispicable behavior, but there appears to be a historical basis for it, especially in situations around the world were people hold the pinnacle of power and are not held accountable. They do what they can get away with. Look at Midevil England. Are there morals? Sometimes. ;) And as far as sex, many people appear to do it with whoever they can. My wife's research into her extended family shows incest is not uncommon. We discussed this in another thread.

Philosophically, I'd qualify control as acting on our urges. Do we have the ability to resist? Maybe, but I've all ready promoted the idea we have a limited range of free will and ultimately act on how we feel and what we want. This IMO is being controlled by our natures.
 

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Well, again, I Claudius was an imaginative take - grounded in an intelligent (but not necessarily completely accurate) interrogation and interpretation of some historical sources and intelligently re-imagined for a twentieth century audience.

Re 'Mid Evil' (that is a joke, right?) history - Medieval - history, while G R R Martin happily admits that the Wars of the Roses served to some degree as affording inspiration for Game of Thrones, Game of Thrones (while superb reading material, - I haven't seen any of the TV series - and again, an intelligent treatment of some historical source material), is not medieval history.

Trade, religion, politics, pestilence and cities also influenced outcomes every bit as much as war.

Re morals, ethics, and free will, I believe that there is a choice - a form of free will - in such matters. Whether one acts upon desires, or needs (and not only sexual) is a matter of choice.

One does not need to act on an impulse, or desire, or feeling; one decides too so, or allows oneself to do so, or chooses to do so.

Now, that choice can be influenced by other matters, societal traditions, constraints, opportunity, the degree to which one believes oneself bound or beholden to systems of belief and the degree to which one chooses to live an ethical existence.

One may be influenced or prodded by one's desires; one is not compelled to act upon them, and, if to do so is in contravention of norms, or ethics, or laws, or morals, one does so because one has given oneself permission (or excuses) to do so, and opportunities have arisen which allow one to disregard constraints - including consequences - which might more usually exist in one's usual environment.

Unaccountable power leads to unconscionable abuses in every system, be it economic, financial, political, sexual, religious, precisely because the rewards of power are so great.

There are answers to that - and they tend to fall on what we might term the 'liberal' or 'progressive' - spectrum: More education, a society comprised of citizens not serfs, cities, the concept of the public good and the public space to be promoted in policy, public policy and the exercise of political power with the public good in mind; more accountability, which comes from institutions that are respected and independent - so that power follows the institution rather than the individual - fewer divisions and degrees in wealth between the richest and poorest percentiles in society, social mobility, a significant degree of economic activity where the citizenry feel that they have a stake in the system, sufficient government regulation where needed (in areas where only regulation can ensure the public good, health, education, some housing, state security), especially in areas which may themselves lie outside of the orbit of regulation. And so on….

As for incest, Caligula was one thing, - deranged to the end - but most cases that I have read about fall under the heading of grotesque abuse, an abuse of power and an imbalance of power that is more insidious for being harder to report, with relatives reluctant to accept what may have happened.
 
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Well, I just received this series. So now I need to make a little time to watch!

Well, I think you will enjoy it; this is classic BBC drama at its best, no CGI, no location shooting (neither technology nor budgets allowed for that in the 70s when the series was made), just solid - seriously good - acting, stunning performances, a stellar cast, and a terrific story.
 

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Well, I think you will enjoy it; this is classic BBC drama at its best, no CGI, no location shooting (neither technology nor budgets allowed for that in the 70s when the series was made), just solid - seriously good - acting, stunning performances, a stellar cast, and a terrific story.

As long as the story, cast, and performances are good, I am ambivalent about fancy effects!
 
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As long as the story, cast, and performances are good, I am ambivalent about fancy effects!

Exactly.

Reading the movie thread here, I find myself mystified at the popularity of movies where special effects and loud noise supplant the idea of a story; by all means use them, if your budget allows, but don't make them the point of the story. Their task is to support the story, not replace it.

Anyway, 'I, Claudius' is old style classical TV acting, but elegant and brilliant with it. The series is gripping, and the cast - in that wonderful understated British way - superb.

Watching 'I, Claudius' as a teenager on TV was the first time I ever saw Patrick Stewart, and the others, John Hurt, - what a gifted actor as Caligula - Sian Phillips, compelling, as Livia, Derek Jacobi outstanding as Claudius, Brian Blessed as Augustus….a fantastic and wonderfully intelligent cast.
 
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Well, I think you will enjoy it; this is classic BBC drama at its best, no CGI, no location shooting (neither technology nor budgets allowed for that in the 70s when the series was made), just solid - seriously good - acting, stunning performances, a stellar cast, and a terrific story.

It's like watching a play (in a theater). This is one area where Rome has the upper hand imho. :)

I finally associated Derek Jacobi with an episode of Fraiser where they back an actor, a childhood favorite, for a play they are financing and they get a surprise. He's awful (the character). He's in Gladiator too! :)
 
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It's like watching a play (in a theater). This is one area where Rome has the upper hand imho. :)

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Yes, I suppose to a certain extent, it is like watching a play in a theatre. (But, here I must declare a a bit of a bias, as I am a fan of good theatre).

Well, I, Claudius was made in the 1970s, and, in some ways is a creature of its era, and the strengths, and the limitations - technical, as well as financial - of that era.

Firstly, camera and cinematic technology wasn't as well developed as it is today - especially for tracking movement, - the cameras of the time were heavy and cumbersome; secondly, the budgets for TV series were a lot smaller than were those made available for movies, and thirdly, the ancestor of TV was the theatre, and most of the British actors would have had classical training in the theatre.

However, the strengths of the era in TV drama were that they weren't afraid to take the time needed to flesh out and fully tell the tale that needed to be told. They assumed that their audience was literate and intelligent, and didn't patronise them. And, precisely because budgets, and special effects were in short supply, and what could be done with cameras was limited, everything depended on actors being able to carry the story, and on the strength of the underlying story itself.
 

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Yes, I suppose to a certain extent, it is like watching a play in a theatre. (But, here I must declare a a bit of a bias, as I am a fan of good theatre).

Well, I, Claudius was made in the 1970s, and, in some ways is a creature of its era, and the strengths, and the limitations - technical, as well as financial - of that era.

Firstly, camera and cinematic technology wasn't as well developed as it is today - especially for tracking movement, - the cameras of the time were heavy and cumbersome; secondly, the budgets for TV series were a lot smaller than were those made available for movies, and thirdly, the ancestor of TV was the theatre, and most of the British actors would have had classical training in the theatre.

However, the strengths of the era in TV drama were that they weren't afraid to take the time needed to flesh out and fully tell the tale that needed to be told. They assumed that their audience was literate and intelligent, and didn't patronise them. And, precisely because budgets, and special effects were in short supply, and what could be done with cameras was limited, everything depended on actors being able to carry the story, and on the strength of the underlying story itself.

My apologies as my intent was not to slam plays, I've seen some good ones. It's a different experience than what cinema can provide.
 

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My apologies as my intent was not to slam plays, I've seen some good ones. It's a different experience than what cinema can provide.

Oh, yes. agreed.

However, most TV drama (and the name is a clue to the origins) from that era was - physically - fairly static and relied on indoor (studio) shots, relatively static camera movement, (confined to closeup and distant shots) and not an awful lot of movement during the actual scenes.

But this meant that everything hinged on the quality of performance on the part of the actors, and the strength of the narrative, both of which needed to be robust for the show to work.

Tonight, I have just watched the third part (of four) of Mary Beard's superb series (and this is not static - she regularly criss-crosses all sorts of nooks and crannies and corners of the Empire) 'Ultimate Rome: Empire Without Limit'. Suffice to say, it was so good that I hadn't even finished my first glass of wine by the time the closing credits of the programme appeared on the screen. Terrific TV and highly recommended.
 
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