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[bousozoku]

Today, my re-printed Certificate of Naturalization showed up and I can once again prove that I am a U.S. citizen.

I missed out on unemployment money, insurance, and more, I'm sure. Now, I can make an appointment at the local Social Security Administration office and become a pensioner, so I don't have to worry about being homeless. I will still work, but not having that worry will make things better.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Today, my re-printed Certificate of Naturalization showed up and I can once again prove that I am a U.S. citizen.

I missed out on unemployment money, insurance, and more, I'm sure. Now, I can make an appointment at the local Social Security Administration office and become a pensioner, so I don't have to worry about being homeless. I will still work, but not having that worry will make things better.

Fellow naturalized citizen here. Get a passport, and also a passport card. They work as proof of citizenship in 99.9999% of the cases, that way you’ll never have to touch your Certificate of Naturalization which can be a nightmare to replace; saved me from kafkian bureaucracy multiple times. It’s also a good thing to have. And be 100% sure to never use the other country’s passport if you still have one.

 

[bousozoku]

Fellow naturalized citizen here. Get a passport, and also a passport card. They work as proof of citizenship in 99.9999% of the cases, that way you’ll never have to touch your Certificate of Naturalization which can be a nightmare to replace; saved me from kafkian bureaucracy multiple times. It’s also a good thing to have. And be 100% sure to never use the other country’s passport if you still have one.

Thanks.

If it wasn't for contacting the Congressional district representative, I probably wouldn't have that piece of paper.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Fellow naturalized citizen here. Get a passport, and also a passport card. They work as proof of citizenship in 99.9999% of the cases, that way you’ll never have to touch your Certificate of Naturalization which can be a nightmare to replace; saved me from kafkian bureaucracy multiple times. It’s also a good thing to have. And be 100% sure to never use the other country’s passport if you still have one.

Sound advice, and well worth heeding.

 

[Chuckeee]

And be 100% sure to never use the other country’s passport if you still have one.

Why is that? Both my wife and daughter have dual citizenship and dual passports.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Why is that? Both my wife and daughter have dual citizenship and dual passports.

Authorities can consider it surrendering your citizenship. When in the US, or dealing with US authorities always use your American passport. For naturalized citizens it is a bit more complex because of the oath taken during the naturalization ceremony.

Now, 90% of the cases, nothing will happen. However, a few years ago my wife lost her passport three hours before a scheduled international flight. DHS advised us to not use the other passport as they would consider her renouncing the citizenship. While dual citizenship is allowed, using the other nation’s passport with US authorities is an act of will. Granted, it was right after 9/11 so they were a bit stricter than now.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Authorities can consider it surrendering your citizenship. When in the US, or dealing with US authorities always use your American passport. For naturalized citizens it is a bit more complex because of the oath taken during the naturalization ceremony.

Now, 90% of the cases, nothing will happen. However, a few years ago my wife lost her passport three hours before a scheduled international flight. DHS advised us to not use the other passport as they would consider her renouncing the citizenship. While dual citizenship is allowed, using the other nation’s passport with US authorities is an act of will. Granted, it was right after 9/11 so they were a bit stricter than now.

How many countries does the US permit one to hold dual citizenship with?

My understanding is that the number of countries in this category is fairly limited, in other words, when you become a US citizen, in a great many cases, this (de facto, or de jure?) involves renouncing your prior allegiance and citizenship, but I could be wrong, but that there are some exceptions to this (Poland, Ireland, Italy, all strike me as the sort of exceptions that I would have in mind).

As far as I am aware, most European countries permit dual citizenship, with the proviso that you cannot call upon consular assistance from your primary country of citizenship when in the country of your second citizenship.

 

[Chuckeee]

Authorities can consider it surrendering your citizenship. When in the US, or dealing with US authorities always use your American passport. For naturalized citizens it is a bit more complex because of the oath taken during the naturalization ceremony.

Now, 90% of the cases, nothing will happen. However, a few years ago my wife lost her passport three hours before a scheduled international flight. DHS advised us to not use the other passport as they would consider her renouncing the citizenship. While dual citizenship is allowed, using the other nation’s passport with US authorities is an act of will. Granted, it was right after 9/11 so they were a bit stricter than now.

The reason for my confusion was that my wife often uses her foreign passport. In particular when traveling abroad, especially where being an EU citizen, offers expedited service

 

[Macky-Mac]

How many countries does the US permit one to hold dual citizenship with?

My understanding is that the number of countries in this category is fairly limited, in other words, when you become a US citizen, in a great many cases, this (de facto, or de jure?) involves renouncing your prior allegiance and citizenship, but I could be wrong, but that there are some exceptions to this (Poland, Ireland, Italy, all strike me as the sort of exceptions that I would have in mind).

As far as I am aware, most European countries permit dual citizenship, with the proviso that you cannot call upon consular assistance from your primary country of citizenship when in the country of your second citizenship.

US State Department;

...A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship....

(I've made bold above)

 

[yaxomoxay]

The reason for my confusion was that my wife often uses her foreign passport. In particular when traveling abroad, especially where being an EU citizen, offers expedited service

Do you use it in the EU or in the US?

 

[yaxomoxay]

US State Department;




(I've made bold above)

This is the important part:

“Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport
to enter and leave the United States.”

 

[Chuckeee]

Do you use it in the EU or in the US?

They uses their EU/French passport occasionally. Then only overseas (Europe (not just EU) and French Polynesia).

I’m entitled to get one also, I just have been daunted By the bureaucratic paperwork.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

US State Department;




(I've made bold above)

This is the important part:

“Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport
to enter and leave the United States.”

Thank you, @Macky-Mac and @yaxomoxay; much appreciated.

That was most interesting.

 

[bousozoku]

Why is that? Both my wife and daughter have dual citizenship and dual passports.

In my case, it wouldn't be a good thing to show them a Japanese passport. I can't have dual citizenship because of the status of Japan during World War II. Certain countries are okay, though.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

In my case, it wouldn't be a good thing to show them a Japanese passport. I can't have dual citizenship because of the status of Japan during World War II. Certain countries are okay, though.

Fascinating.

Somehow, I do recall having been told that there were some specific countries that one could not be a citizen of, while simultaneously holding US citizenship.

 

[KaliYoni]

Pop quiz, hotshots!

Can you name from memory the countries that do not have diplomatic relations with the United States?

Spoiler

Bhutan
Iran
North Korea
Syria

 

[KaliYoni]

Somehow, I do recall having been told that there were some specific countries that one could not be a citizen of, while simultaneously holding US citizenship.

You might be thinking of the questions in Part 12 of the USA's application form for naturalization:

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/n-400.pdf

 

[avz]

This is the important part:

“Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport
to enter and leave the United States.”

Russia is the same.

It is important even for an average person to have a basic understanding of statesmanship competencies in order to avoid situations where they unintentionally end up "spitting in the face" of their State. This is the "between the lines" meaning of the rules.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Pop quiz, hotshots!

Can you name from memory the countries that do not have diplomatic relations with the United States?

Spoiler

Bhutan
Iran
North Korea
Syria

Fascinating.

I am interested in the specific stories behind each country's decision not to have diplomatic relations - or, perhaps, a reason why the US does not maintain diplomatic relations with the US.

How up to date is that list? Or, rather, is that the complete list of countries with which the US does not enjoy current diplomatic relations?

No country in the world, (unlike the situation that existed in the 1990s, during their previous regime, when three countries, namely, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Pakistan, recognised them), recognises the current regime of the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Russia is the same.

It is important even for an average person to have a basic understanding of statesmanship competencies in order to avoid situations where they unintentionally end up "spitting in the face" of their State. This is the "between the lines" meaning of the rules.

Precisely. Many dual citizens miss this point, and the dangers of it. Again, in most cases nothing will happen, but we don’t want to be in the hands of a bureaucrat that woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Fascinating.


No country in the world, (…) recognises the current regime of the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.

It’s a bit more nuanced here. The US has not made any formal decision on NOT recognizing the Taliban, and has not made any formal decision on recognizing them. Therefore, the US view is to see them as diplomatic partners with an eye on the establishment of an Afghan government. This means that the US does recognize Taliban representatives as legit diplomatic parties.

 

[jedimasterkyle]

Found out the other day from my ENT that I'm a prime candidate to have my deviated septum corrected. Her exact words while looking up my nose were "Oh my...damn...yep, that needs fixed".

The part that sucks: I've met ZERO percent of my $3200 deductible for my insurance for this year and they will only pick up 75% of the hospital bill after I've met it.

It's fine. I can live with sub-par breathing...

 

[bousozoku]

Found out the other day from my ENT that I'm a prime candidate to have my deviated septum corrected. Her exact words while looking up my nose were "Oh my...damn...yep, that needs fixed".

The part that sucks: I've met ZERO percent of my $3200 deductible for my insurance for this year and they will only pick up 75% of the hospital bill after I've met it.

It's fine. I can live with sub-par breathing...

I'd had the surgery and the ENT said that he would correct the bump on my nose.

A couple of hours after the surgery, I'm back in the ER with massive pain in my eyes. Somehow, they slit my corneas straight across them. The next day, I went to the office and they pulled me out of the waiting room early, probably so I couldn't tell anyone about it. Then, they charged me for the visit. Years later, he was banned from surgery.

Check into multiple doctors before you consider doing anything. You may not feel like it now, but if you consider it again, make sure you have a good doctor.

 

[jedimasterkyle]

I'd had the surgery and the ENT said that he would correct the bump on my nose.

A couple of hours after the surgery, I'm back in the ER with massive pain in my eyes. Somehow, they slit my corneas straight across them. The next day, I went to the office and they pulled me out of the waiting room early, probably so I couldn't tell anyone about it. Then, they charged me for the visit. Years later, he was banned from surgery.

Check into multiple doctors before you consider doing anything. You may not feel like it now, but if you consider it again, make sure you have a good doctor.

YIKES! That's terrifying!

 

[AhmetRyzen]

I'm in the tenth grade and I took the trial exam yesterday. My result was announced today. My results in History, English, Geography and Biology were good. Math and other science classes suck. I am depressed