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VisceralRealist

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I really don't understand why this is so hard for most of Gen Z.

It's tough being a zoomer who's not on TikTok. That's where most of this stuff originates. I do spend a lot of time elsewhere online, so I'm somewhat familiar with the Ohio skibidi gyatt sigma rizz and what not, but other times when friends start speaking in memes, I just nod and smile and pretend I know what they're talking about. :oops:
 
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Apple fanboy

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We're got a new chairman in our housing cooperative. Lord 😱

The history behind it is that's not a lot of people who are interested in participating in board-works here. It's a small cooperative, and neither are we very private with each orher in general. But of course, some we stay and talk with more then others. Which to me is very normal. I've lived in quite some housing cooperatives over the years, and they are exactly that, they are not collectives as this kid thinks!

I am sitting back and watching this parody now 😂
First gathering she announced was some gardenwork. No financial compencation offered. The board gets financial compensation, and we have always been offered some compensation for what tasks we are doing for the cooperative. I think they were 5 who did some gaedenwork.
I did the effort to answer no on her google-quetionary at that time. 90% didn't bother to answer at all.

Then she reclaimed that everyone should cut the lawns around here at least a few times/year. No compensation offered in that case either, yep, we'll see how many who will do that?
I've cut the lawns a great deal of times, and I got a fairly ok comprnsation for that earlier.

Latest parody is that she and the cooperative will arrange a summerparty and put up a party-tent, and serve food, where people can play games etc.
Nah, she won't even get a reply from me this time 🤣
1 have answered, and I am almost ready to eat my shoes (or something) if she gets more the 4-5 answers.
Sounds grim. I’m glad we don’t have that sort of BS here. I just mow my lawn when I want to.
 

Apple fanboy

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It's tough being a zoomer who's not on TikTok. That's where most of this stuff originates. I do spend a lot of time elsewhere online, so I'm somewhat familiar with the Ohio skibidi gyatt sigma rizz and what not, but other times when friends start speaking in memes, I just nod and smile and pretend I know what they're talking about. :oops:
Not having ever joined Facebook, Twitter or TikTok I feel I don’t have missed out in anyway.
 

Clix Pix

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We're got a new chairman in our housing cooperative. Lord 😱

The history behind it is that's not a lot of people who are interested in participating in board-works here. It's a small cooperative, and neither are we very private with each orher in general. But of course, some we stay and talk with more then others. Which to me is very normal. I've lived in quite some housing cooperatives over the years, and they are exactly that, they are not collectives as this kid thinks!

I am sitting back and watching this parody now 😂
First gathering she announced was some gardenwork. No financial compencation offered. The board gets financial compensation, and we have always been offered some compensation for what tasks we are doing for the cooperative. I think they were 5 who did some gaedenwork.
I did the effort to answer no on her google-quetionary at that time. 90% didn't bother to answer at all.

Then she reclaimed that everyone should cut the lawns around here at least a few times/year. No compensation offered in that case either, yep, we'll see how many who will do that?
I've cut the lawns a great deal of times, and I got a fairly ok comprnsation for that earlier.

Latest parody is that she and the cooperative will arrange a summerparty and put up a party-tent, and serve food, where people can play games etc.
Nah, she won't even get a reply from me this time 🤣
1 have answered, and I am almost ready to eat my shoes (or something) if she gets more the 4-5 answers.

That's interesting how your cooperative functions..... I live in a condominium complex (condominium is a form of ownership, where we own our apartment units and are responsible for them, and also own a share of the community grounds and amenities). We have a board of directors (Chairperson, Secretary, Treasurer and an At-Large member) which is voted on annually by the homeowners, and in turn, that board is responsible for hiring a management company which then takes care of hiring people to do necessary upkeep such as lawn mowing, landscaping, trash removal, snow removal, lake and swimming pool maintenance, etc.

Each unit owner pays a monthly fee for this, which is predicated upon the square footage size of the unit. The largest units pay the most in fees, the smaller units pay proportionately less. Anything major which comes up we also vote on when the board and the management company present the situation to us. For the most part it all does go smoothly, although none of us were happy when a couple of years ago there was an unusually large one-year "special assessment" fee added to our normal regular monthly payments. Somehow it slipped through cracks and we were not notified in advance that this was going to happen. Needless to say, things were pretty tense for a while!
 

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We're got a new chairman in our housing cooperative. Lord 😱

The history behind it is that's not a lot of people who are interested in participating in board-works here. It's a small cooperative, and neither are we very private with each orher in general. But of course, some we stay and talk with more then others. Which to me is very normal. I've lived in quite some housing cooperatives over the years, and they are exactly that, they are not collectives as this kid thinks!

I am sitting back and watching this parody now 😂
First gathering she announced was some gardenwork. No financial compencation offered. The board gets financial compensation, and we have always been offered some compensation for what tasks we are doing for the cooperative. I think they were 5 who did some gaedenwork.
I did the effort to answer no on her google-quetionary at that time. 90% didn't bother to answer at all.

Then she reclaimed that everyone should cut the lawns around here at least a few times/year. No compensation offered in that case either, yep, we'll see how many who will do that?
I've cut the lawns a great deal of times, and I got a fairly ok comprnsation for that earlier.

Latest parody is that she and the cooperative will arrange a summerparty and put up a party-tent, and serve food, where people can play games etc.
Nah, she won't even get a reply from me this time 🤣
1 have answered, and I am almost ready to eat my shoes (or something) if she gets more the 4-5 answers.
I don't miss my Homeowners Association. When I got my first house, I belonged to three different associations--the association that existed for the whole development, the association for those behind our set of gates, and the association for our few houses along the street and just beyond that.

I never attended the meetings. At some point, a unfriendly woman who seemed to be contrary to anything and everything became President and Lord Executioner. Anything that didn't look quite right got a notice from the Homeowners Association and, if not handled promptly, legal action. Ugggh. I was so happy to move away.
 

Chuckeee

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I don't miss my Homeowners Association. When I got my first house, I belonged to three different associations--the association that existed for the whole development, the association for those behind our set of gates, and the association for our few houses along the street and just beyond that.

I never attended the meetings. At some point, an unfriendly woman who seemed to be contrary to anything and everything became President and Lord Executioner. Anything that didn't look quite right got a notice from the Homeowners Association and, if not handled promptly, legal action. Ugggh. I was so happy to move away.
I had a friend who received a notice from the HOA because they didn’t like the color that he painted his house. This continued on for months and months, and the real issue was he wasn’t a member of the HOA. The HOA was limited to the houses on the other side of the street from where he lived.
 
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Lioness~

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That's interesting how your cooperative functions..... I live in a condominium complex (condominium is a form of ownership, where we own our apartment units and are responsible for them, and also own a share of the community grounds and amenities). We have a board of directors (Chairperson, Secretary, Treasurer and an At-Large member) which is voted on annually by the homeowners, and in turn, that board is responsible for hiring a management company which then takes care of hiring people to do necessary upkeep such as lawn mowing, landscaping, trash removal, snow removal, lake and swimming pool maintenance, etc.

Each unit owner pays a monthly fee for this, which is predicated upon the square footage size of the unit. The largest units pay the most in fees, the smaller units pay proportionately less. Anything major which comes up we also vote on when the board and the management company present the situation to us. For the most part it all does go smoothly, although none of us were happy when a couple of years ago there was an unusually large one-year "special assessment" fee added to our normal regular monthly payments. Somehow it slipped through cracks and we were not notified in advance that this was going to happen. Needless to say, things were pretty tense for a while!
I don’t think I ever explained, or tried to, explain about living in a ’condo’ in english before.
Sorry if it sounds confusing. But I believe we live in a similar type of condomium.

Though, they work differently depending on the construct of how big the cooperative and amount of apartments the particular condominiums are about I assume everywhere.

The cooperative I live in now are only 1 house however, with 32 apartments/condos with not a lot of difference in size, that we own individually.
I have lived in bigger condo cooperative’s before, and the administration is often managed much better in a broader perspective and centralized in the country.

But as our condominium is only 1 house, the board are not always so functional here, and most people in the house don’t attend very often on those meetings either.
But yes the board are responsible for managing so the house is working for everyone.
Times have been better earlier in this condominium, over the time I’ve been owning this condo though, for sure. We/They even managed to get a pretty big renovation take place at a time. The board was much better at that time.
Ah well, it might be time soon to look around for a new and bigger condo anyway.

I don't miss my Homeowners Association. When I got my first house, I belonged to three different associations--the association that existed for the whole development, the association for those behind our set of gates, and the association for our few houses along the street and just beyond that.

I never attended the meetings. At some point, a unfriendly woman who seemed to be contrary to anything and everything became President and Lord Executioner. Anything that didn't look quite right got a notice from the Homeowners Association and, if not handled promptly, legal action. Ugggh. I was so happy to move away.
I grew up in a house, and I totally hate everything that has to do with gardening. Never ever again.
I also much prefer to live in the city, but maybe not in the most noiciest parts.
 

Clix Pix

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I don't know about other countries, but in the US both "condominium" and "cooperative" are considered different types of legal ownership of a property. Most are multifamily dwellings (apartments either within high-rise single buildings or smaller, shorter "garden-style" buildings); condominium unit ownership may also be seen in other connected buildings such as townhouses or even "patio homes" or "villas") rather than single-family homes.

Around this country, but especially in highly-populated urban areas, purchasing a condominium (townhouse, apartment, whatever) is definitely different from purchasing the rights to own and live in a cooperative dwelling. In NYC, for example, especially in Manhattan and the five boroughs, there are a lot of Condominiums (condos) and also Cooperatives (co-ops) and, yes, with regard to legal documentation and operation, each type of ownership is distinctly different. In addition of course there are some similarities but also of necessity differences in the approach to how these dwellings are managed.

I can only speak from my particular experience, of course. In my condominium community there are fourteen buildings, each building consisting of fourteen units of different square footage) in what is often referred to as a "garden-style" layout (usually only about four floors altogether, and no elevator) and each unit has a balcony, deck or patio to provide extra access to the outdoors. We are surrounded by lovely landscaping around each building and ample common grounds. It's all very delightful, but yes, we pay for this!

Not far from me there are also condominium high-rise buildings, too, with their own set of challenges for everyone who buys and lives in a condo unit in that building. In my area (I'm in the suburbs of Washington, DC), there really are few (if any? I really don't know, to be honest) buildings or communities which are Co-ops as opposed to Condominium or other type of ownership. I think that is definitely more of an actual urban city type of scenario and I believe that yes, there are at least some Co-ops in DC. At least in the US, the terminology is important, too, in order to differentiate Co-op ownership from Condominium ownership from fee-simple ownership in single-family dwellings, etc., etc.

Anyway, in general, regardless of what type of ownership is prevalent in a particular community, as I have experienced over the years that I have lived here, it absolutely can be challenging when it comes to making group choices and expressing concerns about how a community is being managed!

Regardless of what the type of ownership (or residency) is called, everyone who lives in a multifamily dwelling situation really does need to cooperate with everyone else in order to have a comfortable living environment!
 
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I had a friend who received a notice from the HOA because they didn’t like the color that he painted his house. This continued on for months and months, and the real issue was he wasn’t a member of the HOA. The HOA was limited to the houses on the other side of the street from where he lived.
When I was buying my house, they had 16 HOA-approved exterior paint choices: pink, yellow, and 14 shades of sand. I chose yellow and the people next door who bought a couple of weeks later chose yellow. The salesperson asked if I would like to change. I did not.

It's funny because many times you'll see photos with the name "Florida" advertising blue, green, and red buildings but you won't actually see colors like that unless you're in South Miami Beach or Key West.

People are so afraid of color.
 
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HDFan

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although none of us were happy when a couple of years ago there was an unusually large one-year "special assessment" fee added to our normal regular monthly payments.

Where I live most major special assessments have to be approved by the owners.

I'm currently on a Condo board. I am the only member from the previous board as the new board was replaced by candidate statements saying things like "eliminate excessive costs". They didn't like the special assessment proposed by the previous board which was required to meet repair and reserve funding needs. Refusing to create a complete list of needed repairs and they based a new assessment on what they wanted to pay, not what was needed, choosing a few repairs to fund with a much smaller assessment. Critical repairs, such holes in the siding due to dry rot, are not planned or funded. They are in violation of their fiduciary responsibility to put the associations interests ahead of their personal ones.

Just spent several days drafting a response to the comments that they made to my financial analysis. I had to send it to owners as an individual rather than a board member since they refused to send it out as a board. As an owner in my state I can get the contact information for all owners. With incorrect statement of facts, not responding to critical questions from our lawyers, trying to be objective with people who are reacting emotionally and not logically is not something I have ever had to deal with before in a technical career. So it has been an amazing learning experience, figuring out how to control my anger. When I can conceptualize that nothing I say or do will change their position it actually is rather fun, going through their arguments, evasions, omitted items and debunking them.

As I write this Sam Ryder's "Fought and Lost" came up on Tidal. "Better to have fought and lost than never fought at all" which was quite appropriate. I have no idea how the owners are going to react.

a notice from the HOA because they didn’t like the color that he painted his house.

Got a notice long ago at a different place that my grass was the wrong color.
 

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Where I live most major special assessments have to be approved by the owners.

I'm currently on a Condo board. I am the only member from the previous board as the new board was replaced by candidate statements saying things like "eliminate excessive costs". They didn't like the special assessment proposed by the previous board which was required to meet repair and reserve funding needs. Refusing to create a complete list of needed repairs and they based a new assessment on what they wanted to pay, not what was needed, choosing a few repairs to fund with a much smaller assessment. Critical repairs, such holes in the siding due to dry rot, are not planned or funded. They are in violation of their fiduciary responsibility to put the associations interests ahead of their personal ones.

Just spent several days drafting a response to the comments that they made to my financial analysis. I had to send it to owners as an individual rather than a board member since they refused to send it out as a board. As an owner in my state I can get the contact information for all owners. With incorrect statement of facts, not responding to critical questions from our lawyers, trying to be objective with people who are reacting emotionally and not logically is not something I have ever had to deal with before in a technical career. So it has been an amazing learning experience, figuring out how to control my anger. When I can conceptualize that nothing I say or do will change their position it actually is rather fun, going through their arguments, evasions, omitted items and debunking them.

As I write this Sam Ryder's "Fought and Lost" came up on Tidal. "Better to have fought and lost than never fought at all" which was quite appropriate. I have no idea how the owners are going to react.



Got a notice long ago at a different place that my grass was the wrong color.
Ouch, sounds as though there is quite a struggle going on there! That is the one thing which is unfortunate about condominium or cooperative ownership: conflicts can arise and everyone is affected, because it is their money and their property.

In our situation, yes, major projects and assessments are usually submitted to first the HOA board and then to the owners for voting prior to being implemented. In this particular instance the board was having difficulties deciding on and voting on the amount and the next calendar year was coming up soon. There was a last-minute scramble and vote on their part, and either the step of notifying owners and having us vote, too, was forgotten or deliberately skipped, with the result that the papers with the information regarding the association's budget for the new year plus the special assessment arrived in our mailboxes as a very unpleasant surprise.

Further information was discussed in a couple of emergency meetings and clarification provided as the reasons for the unusually high assessment (major repairs, attention to necessary maintenance which had been somewhat set on a back burner for too long, etc.) and flexibility was offered in timing and methods of payment of the special assessment. Eventually things settled down as most owners realized that this special assessment indeed was truly necessary. Some people put their unit up for sale and moved, but most remained where they were and paid the fees.....
 

KaliYoni

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And, in case anybody needs reminding, HOA and co-op board battles can have disastrous consequences...


Before the Champlain Towers South Condominium collapsed, the owners and the complex's board of directors spent years clashing over the cost and extent of safety and structural repairs for the 12-story building near Miami.

"Why is all of this so complicated and expensive?" read a question that topped the board's meeting minutes over a list of major structural problems last October as the deadline for a state-required recertification of the Surfside, Florida, building approached.

On April 9, Jean Wodnicki, president of the Champlain Towers South board, warned in a letter to owners that the problems had worsened. “We have discussed, debated, and argued for years now, and will continue to do so for years to come as different items come into play,” she wrote.

 
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bousozoku

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And, in case anybody needs reminding, HOA and co-op board battles can have disastrous consequences...


Before the Champlain Towers South Condominium collapsed, the owners and the complex's board of directors spent years clashing over the cost and extent of safety and structural repairs for the 12-story building near Miami.

"Why is all of this so complicated and expensive?" read a question that topped the board's meeting minutes over a list of major structural problems last October as the deadline for a state-required recertification of the Surfside, Florida, building approached.

On April 9, Jean Wodnicki, president of the Champlain Towers South board, warned in a letter to owners that the problems had worsened. “We have discussed, debated, and argued for years now, and will continue to do so for years to come as different items come into play,” she wrote.

After Hurricane Andrew, I'm surprised that anyone would question safety enhancements or structural repairs.
 
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Yes, I know.

In 2008, when I was selling my house in Florida, one of the somewhat inebriated neighbours said that I was "ruining the neighbourhood" by selling my house at 2008 prices when she bought her house at 2005 prices. I bought my house at 1998 prices and had the third or fourth house on the block.

In 1999, there was the ability to get a loan for a down-payment, so suddenly, people who couldn't afford a home were buying homes. They didn't have extra money to put into maintenance or much of anything else. Since there were so many new buyers, prices rose quickly.

I'm just thankful that I lived near Orlando and not Miami or Tampa. Watching the storm surge come ashore during a hurricane was difficult, and the local stations played hurricane coverage 24 hours a day.

Most people didn't plan for anything beyond the weekend.
 

AVBeatMan

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Tested positive for Covid again... Felt ill on Wednesday, coughing, runny nose and generally weak. Went into the office and struggled through the day. Then on Thursday, again in the office from 7.30, had enough and left at 9 to work from home. Took the test this evening and positive. Don't feel any worse than a usual bad cold. Not sure of the current guidelines but will probably work from home next week.
 

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Tested positive for Covid again... Felt ill on Wednesday, coughing, runny nose and generally weak. Went into the office and struggled through the day. Then on Thursday, again in the office from 7.30, had enough and left at 9 to work from home. Took the test this evening and positive. Don't feel any worse than a usual bad cold. Not sure of the current guidelines but will probably work from home next week.
Best of luck.
 

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Had several root tips of former teeth removed today. I'm on a strict diet of anything soft. Thankfully, tofu jjigae and miso soup is always on the menu, although I wish I had some pudding or jell-o.
 

Apple fanboy

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Tested positive for Covid again... Felt ill on Wednesday, coughing, runny nose and generally weak. Went into the office and struggled through the day. Then on Thursday, again in the office from 7.30, had enough and left at 9 to work from home. Took the test this evening and positive. Don't feel any worse than a usual bad cold. Not sure of the current guidelines but will probably work from home next week.
Sorry to hear that. But why would you go into the office with those symptoms if you could work from home?
 
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decafjava

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Tested positive for Covid again... Felt ill on Wednesday, coughing, runny nose and generally weak. Went into the office and struggled through the day. Then on Thursday, again in the office from 7.30, had enough and left at 9 to work from home. Took the test this evening and positive. Don't feel any worse than a usual bad cold. Not sure of the current guidelines but will probably work from home next week.
Honestly, if you are really feeling really unwell why not take time off work? I mean in general, if you are just feeling a bit off then WFH is an option of course (and also a good choice for many when they are well) but this expectation of productivity and hustle gets to me. Sorry, didn't mean to rant but do rest and get well.
 
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