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VulchR

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Grading matters - and it is an excellent way to reach and to teach students.

As a teacher, I used to take it very seriously, not least because I recalled (all too clearly), how, when I was a student, if something of mine had been marked with close attention to the content, commenting on what I did well (one can glow, as a result) and drawing my attention to areas that may have needed attention (with added commentary on just how to address such deficiencies) - this all made a difference to how enthusiastically one approached one's studies; encouragement and the knowledge that the quality of one's work has been recognised - works.

However, doing this properly - and I was in demand for grading exams as well - meant a lot - and, I mean, a lot, an awful lot - of time.

To be quite candid, while I do miss teaching at times, this is one aspect of academic life that I do not miss at all.
I am still in teaching at university level. What I hate is not that we have to provide formative and summative feedback in good faith, but that we have to present feedback like a damned legal document to avoid speculative appeals. Half our students literally don't even look at the feedback and just access the grade. That's ironic given that many years ago the US Supreme Court found that honest feedback was the 'product' universities were selling, not lecture quality (learning determined by student engagement in lectures, and there are alternative sources like outside reading), not grades (determined by student engagement and capability), not job prospects (not under universities' control), and not facilities (one can live off campus). I think they're right.

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Scepticalscribe

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I'm with @Scepticalscribe (and probably countless others) on absolutely LOATHING iPhone touch screens. Not only is the typing experience slower, but it's actually just awful. I really can't put it any other way.
Amen to that.

A heartfelt and profound amen to that.

In fact, I loathe iPhone touch screens (and typing on them) so much, that language almost fails me in attempting to fully describe my utter detestation of iPhone touch screens.
 

Clix Pix

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I don't mind typing on my iPad screen, but yes, I do not like typing on the iPhone's small screen and usually avoid that as much as I can. If I receive a text or SMS while I am at home I always respond to it on my iPad or the computer rather than on the phone.
 
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Apple fanboy

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I don't mind typing on my iPad screen, but yes, I do not like typing on the iPhone's small screen and usually avoid that as much as I can. If I receive a text or SMS while I am at home I always respond to it on my iPad or the computer rather than on the phone.
I prefer my iPhone to my iPad. But prefer a full size Apple keyboard on a desk over both.
 

rm5

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That's ironic given that many years ago the US Supreme Court found that honest feedback was the 'product' universities were selling, not lecture quality (learning determined by student engagement in lectures, and there are alternative sources like outside reading), not grades (determined by student engagement and capability), not job prospects (not under universities' control), and not facilities (one can live off campus). I think they're right.
It's interesting you say that, because from my perspective as a student, my university "sells" all of these "products." Not only do professors/lecturers deliver amazing classes, but yes, their feedback is honest, the facilities are great--dorms are rather quiet, and the food is good. The music facilities are excellent, every practice room has a Steinway of some fashion, and the rehearsal spaces are well-looked-after, and have high-quality equipment. It is a completely residential campus, meaning that all students are required to live on campus all four years. Job prospects are good for many students, as the university has a 99% placement rate--one of the highest in the country. In other words, the statistic is that 99% of students find some sort of next step--whether that is grad school, or a job--within 6 months of graduation. And yes, I can vouch for that, because I know many graduates who have become quite successful in their fields. So it is encouraging to me, too.

I understand that I am one person giving you one perspective, but that's just been my experience--and will hopefully continue to be.
 
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rm5

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What kind of jobs are they getting?
Immediately after graduation, or later in their careers?

I know folks who shortly after graduation secured internships at the U.S. Department of Energy, and the Department of Agriculture. They were then offered full-time positions after a year or two. Another got a teaching job at the New York Arts Academy (I can't remember if that's actually what it's called, but anyway) pretty quickly after graduation. Another got either a job or internship at some government agency in Switzerland.

Some graduates later in their careers are teaching. I know of one working at Sandia National Laboratories. And I actually met one working in one of the big movie studios. Another has gone on to become a very successful recording engineer. Numerous graduates are now teaching at the university.

EDIT: The career center supports students while they are completing their degree--but it doesn't stop at graduation. The career center supports graduates through retirement.
 
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DaveFromCampbelltown

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There's feedback, and there's feedback.

I was doing a course in Zoology under a very good lecturer. Come the time for the final practical exam, I got my timetable confused, attending another lecture instead of the exam. Afterwards, I went on bended knee to him, explaining what had happened. He took pity on my because I hadn't skived off, but had actually been doing work. He reset the prac. exam just for me.

However...

Everybody else got to dissect a rat. A normal, mammal type mammal.
He gave me a flying fox (aka fruit bat). Now it had all the same muscles, they are just the wrong size, wrong shape and in the wrong place.
His feedback? That of all his students, he felt that I was the only one that could cope with a flying fox.
And I still got a Distinction.
 
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decafjava

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There's feedback, and there's feedback.

I was doing a course in Zoology under a very good lecturer. Come the time for the final practical exam, I got my timetable confused, attending another lecture instead of the exam. Afterwards, I went on bended knee to him, explaining what had happened. He took pity on my because I hadn't skived off, but had actually been doing work. He reset the prac. exam just for me.

However...

Everybody else got to dissect a rat. A normal, mammal type mammal.
He gave me a flying fox (aka fruit bat). Now it had all the same muscles, they are just the wrong size, wrong shape and in the wrong place.
His feedback? That of all his students, he felt that I was the only one that could cope with a flying fox.
And I still got a Distinction.
Ummm ok, that sounds like fun...mind you even rats creep me out or dissecting a sheep's eyeball. I kept the lens until it dried and fell apart. I was a teen ok?

About smartphone keyboards, autocorrect is a help but mostly a pain. It's "ok" for me though. I am quite amused at the ads for BT keyboards for phones and tablets being pushed by Temu (probably will break in a week).
 

VulchR

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my negativity towards typing on my iPhone is partly due to spellcheck changing what I've just typed
I am hoping AI will low spelling- and grammar-checkers to take semantic context into consideration rather than correcting a word at a time, which has been the sorry state of the art since the 1980's. I just want a spellchecker that flags 'tot he', 'Bets wishes', and a certain spacebar error when trying to type 'Got it!'.
 
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VulchR

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It's interesting you say that, because from my perspective as a student, my university "sells" all of these "products." Not only do professors/lecturers deliver amazing classes, but yes, their feedback is honest, the facilities are great--dorms are rather quiet, and the food is good. The music facilities are excellent, every practice room has a Steinway of some fashion, and the rehearsal spaces are well-looked-after, and have high-quality equipment. It is a completely residential campus, meaning that all students are required to live on campus all four years. Job prospects are good for many students, as the university has a 99% placement rate--one of the highest in the country. In other words, the statistic is that 99% of students find some sort of next step--whether that is grad school, or a job--within 6 months of graduation. And yes, I can vouch for that, because I know many graduates who have become quite successful in their fields. So it is encouraging to me, too.

I understand that I am one person giving you one perspective, but that's just been my experience--and will hopefully continue to be.
I get that but what we think is common sense and what SCOTUS thinks are often different.

FWIW I am delighted you are having a good experience. In my undergraduate days (1980's) the food served in my college's dining halls was indescribable - truly the stuff of horror films.
 
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Herdfan

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FWIW I am delighted you are having a good experience. In my undergraduate days (1980's) the food served in my college's dining halls was indescribable - truly the stuff of horror films.

Dorms and dining halls have come quite a ways since we were in college. A long ways.

Back in 2017 when we were doing the college tours with out daughter, I was stunned at the options for food at some of these colleges. And the food was good and the dorms were probably nicer than some of the homes these kids came from.

Times change.
 

DaveFromCampbelltown

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Ummm ok, that sounds like fun...mind you even rats creep me out or dissecting a sheep's eyeball. I kept the lens until it dried and fell apart. I was a teen ok?

About smartphone keyboards, autocorrect is a help but mostly a pain. It's "ok" for me though. I am quite amused at the ads for BT keyboards for phones and tablets being pushed by Temu (probably will break in a week).

I haven't done a sheep's eyeball, but I have done a possum's brain (Aussie possum, not 'Merican 'Possum). It was very large compared to the body, explaining their high intelligence.
Also, it had no corpus callosum, meaning that their right hand truly doesn't know what the left is doing. When these little guys evolve to the level that they can become politicians, I truly fear for the rest of us.
 
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rm5

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Thanks. I was under the mistaken assumption that your school specialized in music and the arts.
Nonono, it's sort of like Oberlin--small college, but with a very good conservatory intertwined. (Oberlin was also on my list, btw, but didn't end up going there.) I also realize I didn't explain it well, so my apologies!

I did get into Berklee, and considered going there, but something about it just didn't sit right with me. To me, they seem to value "churning out generic musicians," not to mention the intense competition there. Not to mention, they don't really give scholarships or any sort of financial aid. Also, I went out to LA two summers ago for one of their summer programs (I know, it wasn't at Berklee), and I didn't particularly like how it was organized. I mean, you gotta give credit where it's due--it's certainly well-known worldwide and has a good reputation. And I know Berklee grads who have become quite successful, too. I also know a few former Berklee faculty who are very good teachers.

Anyway, I do feel I've made a good choice attending the college I do.
 
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Macky-Mac

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I am hoping AI will low spelling- and grammar-checkers to take semantic context into consideration rather than correcting a word at a time, which has been the sorry state of the art since the 1980's. I just want a spellchecker that flags 'tot he', 'Bets wishes', and a certain spacebar error when trying to type 'Got it!'.
if spellcheck just flagged things it thought to be incorrect, that would be a huge improvement.......but currently I know the spellcheck won't let me spell certain words......never mind that I'm spelling them correctly for the way I'm using the......"we're" or "were" for example....spellcheck is ALWAYS wrong
 

decafjava

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if spellcheck just flagged things it thought to be incorrect, that would be a huge improvement.......but currently I know the spellcheck won't let me spell certain words......never mind that I'm spelling them correctly for the way I'm using the......"we're" or "were" for example....spellcheck is ALWAYS wrong
Can't you set autocorrect off? That seems to be the big problem.
 
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The Clark

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I'm with @Scepticalscribe (and probably countless others) on absolutely LOATHING iPhone touch screens. Not only is the typing experience slower, but it's actually just awful. I really can't put it any other way.
I don't mind the phone touch screens, I actually enjoy them. However, I went to test drive the new Model 3 from Tesla, and they have REMOVED the stalks for the turn signal/wipers AND they have now required you to use the touch screen to put it in gear. 🤦‍♂️

I was dead set on purchasing one but I cannot support change for the sake of change, especially at the expense of safety.
 

Mousse

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Dorms and dining halls have come quite a ways since we were in college. A long ways.
I lived at home and commuted to college, but I recall every week there was at least one--often times multiple--reports of food poisoning at the on campus dining hall. My buddies and I had a pool to guess how many students would get sick that week. I always picked 3 or 4 [if available] and won 20-25% of the time. This was back in the 90's.
 
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