I am not saying I don't want public release sooner, but I'm just looking at it all logically.
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When do you think Mac OS Big Sur will be released?
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I am not saying I don't want public release sooner, but I'm just looking at it all logically.
I know, we'll just have to wait and see. I hoped they would learned from Catalina last year, and make a better osMAC.
I think we might see Big Sur November 10 before the November event if there is one, since the build number is back to a G - i think next week we might see Beta 11
I did find out over the weekend that, read it somewhere that Big Sur already has the both the Intel and the new Apple processor coded in its software. My guess, that Apple will release any time Big Sur and won't have to wait around for new Macs.
Why would they release Big Sur before the new Apple devices with Apple silicon are being released? They would want to optimize and tweak as much as possible.
There is no 2nd chance for a 1st appearance, and the bold move to ARM is one that not even overconfident Apple should be taking lightly...
Isn't it a big assumption that Apple Silicon is tied to the current beta cycle of Big Sur?
Yes they have been testing concurrently MacOS on both processor platforms in house, but some future version of Big Sur might be the minimum OS for that first Apple Silicon Mac.
I just can't see them delaying Big Sur that long. Tomorrow could be a release date.
They’ll do a big event for the new Macs & to recap Big Sur’s new shiny things as this will be a more public facing event.
Yes, WWDC is more accessible these days compared to the past, but it is developer focused.
This will be a consumer focused event, plus it’s been months and people have short attention spans.
So, show off Big Sur, then new shiny Silicon Macs & what they can do that’s different to the current intel ones.
Then Big Sur GM the day of the event, with public release the Wednesday/Thursday before the new macs are available.
It brings them more in line with how they do it for iOS, so more consistency.
Yes, WWDC is more accessible these days compared to the past, but it is developer focused.
This will be a consumer focused event, plus it’s been months and people have short attention spans.
So, show off Big Sur, then new shiny Silicon Macs & what they can do that’s different to the current intel ones.
Then Big Sur GM the day of the event, with public release the Wednesday/Thursday before the new macs are available.
It brings them more in line with how they do it for iOS, so more consistency.
You know what? I'm in no hurry to see it. It comes out when it comes out.
Apple had the Intel MacPro 1,1 for a year, 2005, before it shipped.
when has Mac OS been good to go on day 1? 1.0 is our ground hog day and a few months needed to get to that ready to launch stage.
assume they want to close up shop by mid December on BigSur and some Christmas goodies -
when has Mac OS been good to go on day 1? 1.0 is our ground hog day and a few months needed to get to that ready to launch stage.
assume they want to close up shop by mid December on BigSur and some Christmas goodies -
I'd like to respectfully disagree!
Big Sur is as of today the only macOS we know of running on apple silicon. If you sign the NDA and get elected to get a loaner ARM mac mini, it comes with Big Sur beta today (not just in-house!).
Not "might" be, the current Big Sur is the minimum requirement for Apple Silicon.
It makes a lot of sense (as in the past) to tie the "big new thing" called macOS 11 to the release of the other "big new thing": a shiny new hardware architecture.
Willing to take a bet that the release announcement will be at the same event as the new mac with apple silicon
The Universal App Quick Start Program for Mac Developers is to get their software ready for the transition to run as FAT binaries. Being that this is very limited to so many existing Mac Application Developers, you can’t assume a A12z has same instruction set that specific Apple Silicon offers for running some version of Big Sur. That was all I was saying is that initial public release of Big Sur might not be what ships with the first Apple Silicon Mac.
To my understanding will both the A12z and the A14x have the same ARM instruction set. If I remember correctly, ARM V8.4. All V8.0 will run on 8.4, only some optimisations and the hypervisors can differ (HV can move from EL2 to EL3). A12z to A14x will also note the move from 7nm to 5nm TSMC process.The Universal App Quick Start Program for Mac Developers is to get their software ready for the transition to run as FAT binaries. Being that this is very limited to so many existing Mac Application Developers, you can’t assume a A12z has same instruction set that specific Apple Silicon offers for running some version of Big Sur. That was all I was saying is that initial public release of Big Sur might not be what ships with the first Apple Silicon Mac.
But you have a point: Very little is known about companion IP and GPU of the A14x, which further enforces the point that Apple will release the new Apple Silicon Macs with the new OS.
The cool thing is, we will most likely both find out within the next 4 weeks which assumptions are better
(but it actually does not matter)
Here is my new guess when we will Mac OS Big Sur GM and release
I'm kind of thinking now next Tuesday we could probally see Beta 11 of Big Sur, then I think Nov. 10 we could see the Big Sur GM- then Maybe after the event on November 17 I think Big Sur will be release on Nov. 17 or the 18
I'm kind of thinking now next Tuesday we could probally see Beta 11 of Big Sur, then I think Nov. 10 we could see the Big Sur GM- then Maybe after the event on November 17 I think Big Sur will be release on Nov. 17 or the 18
My thought is for the software team to take their time and get it right as best they can. We already have enough complaints from users who say macOS Catalina, Mojave are bug infested. Hopefully when it does release it will be stable enough for daily use where we can move on from Catalina.
Possibly. It's expected public release is in 3 weeks, so GM could be in 2 weeks.
macOS Mojave, bug-infested? To me, Mojave was buttery smooth and very solid... definitely one of the best macOSes since OS X Mountain Lion.
Yeah I was kinda sad to leave Mojave behind when I got my Mini this year, but I still have my Pro here when I need to use the stuff that broke moving ahead (and my Windows 10 bootcamp). Mojave reminded me of Snow Leopard on my 2006 Pro, and Tiger on my G4/G5 when everything just worked like Macs were supposed to. Its like every other one they finally get smooth and right.. I didn't have any issues with Catalina here, but I only ran it for a couple of months before I went for the beta. Was perfectly fine for me, but if it was really as bad as everyone still claims, maybe Big Sur will be that next one that knocks it out of the park.
If the pattern follows suit, they should name the next one Bakersfield or Fresno or something so people know which ones to avoid haha. Although Catalina itself does kinda suck and gets boring real quick if you live near it and go more than once or twice in your life.
If the pattern follows suit, they should name the next one Bakersfield or Fresno or something so people know which ones to avoid haha. Although Catalina itself does kinda suck and gets boring real quick if you live near it and go more than once or twice in your life.
Yes! So glad I'm not the only one who noticed the pattern.
Cheetah (10.0) - brand new so of course, buggy AF
Puma (10.1) - still buggy but slowly getting better
Jaguar (10.2) - refined and the first truly stable version of Mac OS X
Panther (10.3) - not bad, although buggy in some ways
Tiger (10.4) - sturdy and worked well (Tiger had some challenges due to the transition from PPC to Intel, but handled it very well and stabilized well by v10.4.11)
Leopard (10.5) - a hot mess, buggy/glitchy
Snow Leopard (10.6) - smooth and decent, worked great; a real refinement
Lion (10.7) - bad, glitchy and chock-full of issues
Mountain Lion (10.8) - sturdy, a big improvement over Lion, just worked
Mavericks (10.9) - don't even get me started...worst version of OS X, literally
Yosemite (10.10) - decent, well-oiled for the most part (it was hated by many because of the new UI, though, but I didn't have any issues)
El Capitan (10.11) - kind of broke the cycle - had its issues, but wasn't THAT bad
Sierra (10.12) - stable and worked fine (although admittedly not TOO impressive)
High Sierra (10.13) - a buggy, janky hot mess of an OS that should never have been released
Mojave (10.14) - solid, powerhorse OS that just worked
Catalina (10.15) - sloppy and buggy, but could be much worse
Big Sur (10.16/11) - ?
Hoping Big Sur will follow the pattern for sure! I noticed all the even-numbered releases of the OS inhibit stability and solidness. Although, to be fair, High Sierra and Mavericks were both worse than Catalina. Had to do numerous reinstalls of both.
Back to the point: disappointed Beta 11/GM wasn't released today. Am anxious to finally install Big Sur on my new 2020 MBP; slogging along here with Catalina and plan to just do a fresh, brand-new install once 11.0 is out.
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