If I can remember correctly, the iPhone 4 was a huge breakthrough product, nearly on par with the first generation in terms of innovation. The industrial design was a huge step-up from the plastic shells of the 3G/3GS, HD video recording, FaceTime and of course, the Retina Display. How could you possibly downplay the significance of the iPhone 4 or even the 4S with its introduction of Siri? It seems as if you only became a fan of Apple after 2011...
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If I can remember correctly, the iPhone 4 was a huge breakthrough product, nearly on par with the first generation in terms of innovation. The industrial design was a huge step-up from the plastic shells of the 3G/3GS, HD video recording, FaceTime and of course, the Retina Display. How could you possibly downplay the significance of the iPhone 4 or even the 4S with its introduction of Siri? It seems as if you only became a fan of Apple after 2011...
Well that's an ironic statement as it's like you started disliking apple after 2011.
The 5S was released in 2013 under TCs' watch and featured an array of game changers; touch id (mentioned), 64 bit, m7 corprocessor, slo-mo, true tone flash, plus more.
The 6 was a game changer for a larger size and apple pay, and by the way the sales of the 6 reflected that. The 6s was a complete under the cover over haul and the gold award and sales reflected that.
As opposed to some others who are outspoken, mostly in generalizations and hyperbole, about Apple's supposed "shortcomings" and history and approaches after only being exposed to iOS and iOS devices since iOS 8.
What I have said in my post are facts,not opinion.Can you possibly by our any subjective aspect in it
There is zero hardware difference between the S6 and the One M9 yet the S6 stomps it in sales
LOL.How is it a gamechanger when it is ripping off Android devices in the screen size department?
Exactly. Apple made the larger iPhone displays just to compete with Android devices, nothing revolutionary or game-changing there. It was rather extremely predictable if anything. Under Steve Jobs, the iPhone did its own thing but they were always ahead of the competition. Now, Tim Cook is fixated on that competition and it's obvious that Apple has been playing catchup ever since.
Ripping off? More hyperbole. Stopped right there.
So apple is playing catch up in the hardware department? You mean they were catching up with touch id and 64 bit, just to name two? But let's say for the sake of argument they are playing catch up (which seems to be a predicable statement these days), the competition is playing catch up in the profits department.
The 5/5S were probably the last couple of iPhones that Steve had any sort of involvement with. I truly believe that the 5's form factor was Steve's "compromise" of sorts in terms of responding to the demand of larger displays. It was only slightly taller and at the time, Apple was completely spot on about it being the ideal screen size for your thumb usage but look how quickly they changed their tune.
The 5S was a solid and substantial upgrade to the iPhone 5, but not a game changer. Touch ID is a really great feature, but stop acting as if Apple invented fingerprint scanner for smartphones. As for the internals, obviously were top-notch back in 2013, but the truth of the matter is, that's not what drew people to buy this, most were just upgrading from their 2-year-old 4S and simply needed a new iPhone, not an indicator of anything other than a normal upgrade cycle,
I really don't understand how you can downplay the significance of the iPhone 4. It really was the biggest leap in innovation with the iPhone since the original. Like I said, everything that we take for granted with iOS devices were introduced with the iPhone 4: Retina Display, FaceTime, HD video recording, A-series chips and its industrial design. That is what I would consider to be revolutionary, the iPhone was still ahead of the game at the time but everything afterwards has been evolutionary.
The 6/6 Plus is a product of market demand, it was inevitable that Apple would cave in and release bigger iPhones to compete with Android phones. Again, stop acting like Apple made the first smartphones with 4.7" and 5.5" displays. Samsung, HTC, etc. have already been there and done that and then some. Apple Pay, a decent service is also nothing special and didn't exactly catch on the way Apple would've hoped.
As for starting to dislike Apple after 2011, I never said dislike them, I'm still very much a Mac user but as soon as they started making really stupid decisions and half-assed product releases, I started to lose some of my respect for them. In some ways, Tim Cook is desperate to prove himself by doing the exact opposite of what Steve would've done. And in some cases, it's quite obvious that Cook has done a lot of things to Apple that would infuriate Jobs and make him question if he truly chose a worthy successor.
And every single time you keep citing the sales figures, you just continue to prove my point that Apple has become way more profit-driven (as opposed to making the best possible products) under Cook. Your fanboyism doesn't seem to tell the difference between quality and quantity.
Also, when has any iPhone ever gotten a bad review? I'm not saying all of them are paid off by Apple (although Mossberg is most definitely in bed with them) but there's obviously a bias. That doesn't mean they were wrong in their lauding of each iPhone generation but guess what, they're not the only devices that get praise from tech critics so it ultimately doesn't mean much.
So we will just agree to disagree and frankly the continued irrational opinions in your posts doesn't seem to tell the difference between invention and innovation.
Sure they didn't invent fingerprint scanners, but they substantially upped the bar on mobile phones with touch id, period. To me that's a game changer. That it took a full year before 64 bit came to Android, shows how much apple surprised the remainder of the industry. Any leaks about the 5s were devoid of any mention of 64 bit. I don't see how you can downplay this.
Also the 5S was all TC, I'm giving credit where credit is due. It could even be said, your fanboyism of SJ is preventing a more balanced opinion of apple, where the remainder of the world has moved on.
It was certainly a game changer for Apple. I think it's stretch to suggest they were ripping off Android devices in the screen size department simply because there was huge demand for it. People on both sizes of the fence were voicing the opinion Apple needed to make a bigger phone and that is what they did.
So my opinions are "irrational" because I don't blindly defend and praise Apple for everything they do?
I give criticism where it's due and honestly, Apple definitely deserves it in a few areas. Sure, the Steve Jobs era wasn't perfect, but nobody, not even the most hardcore Tim Cook apologists like you can deny that there was a way more concerted effort to strive for making the best quality products and inspiring greatness all around. They've lost their edge under Cook, plain and simple. The magic is gone, they're just another tech company now and that really does sadden me.
Impossible to have a cogent discussion with hyperbole and generalizations and name calling.
Frankly, what ever you say is not seen in the company sales and valuation. I think apple is on a roll and they are not perfect, as nobody is. But IMO, they are far from where you are posting they are.
Yes, such extreme hyperbole and generalizations about Tim Cook's Apple with statements like "The Steve Jobs era wasn't perfect either", "The 5S was a solid and substantial upgrade to the iPhone 5" and "I never said I disliked Apple"
I bolded the relevant words in case you didn't see the posts above this. And in case you also missed it, there is a discussion about the relevance of each phone release and whether it was a good, substantial or game changer release.
Aren't you always harping about how throwing hardware against the wall is not innovation?BTW camera has already fallen down the ranks in DX0mark testing.The title for the best camera is currently with the S7.Front screen flash has already existed on Androids for years.Always on OK Google is present on a Galaxy S3 a 5 year old flagship.It took 4 generations before Apple caught up to Android on this one.Also,it's not waterproof as it's not iP68 certified
PS-Remember Tim Cook's disastrous photo at the Super Bowl?I do
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Dude, go get a Samsung already. I won't. You know why? Because they don't suit me.
What I find hilarious about these anti Apple people is how they still buy the phones. Any reasonable person would stop buying a product that's let him down. But oooooooohhhh nooooooo..... These people create thread after thread from their myriad Apple devices expounding on how much better another company is. And by buying the devices they have told Tim Cook "Oh hey thanks here is my money" and become one in the millions who are counted as Apple announces another successful quarter. Then they take that Apple products and come to a site full of people who are happy with THEIR Apple products to call them iSheep and iFan and other such terms.
You guys would make an interesting psychological study.
Must be a sad world for you all, that you need to create drama to convince yourselves of your intellectual superiority. My condolences.
In September, do yourselves a favour. Buy something else. Life is short. Don't frustrate yourselves with a product that doesn't make you happy. Go get a Samsung.
Uhu?
Why wait? he can get one now and save us all from this moaning
Never got this A is better than B, in a perfect world "one size fit all" but luckily we do not live in a perfect world, so to each his own, there are people who want A people that would like B, no product is superior and no other is inferior.
If you choose A you know the pro and cons, there's no need to bash B if you like your A.
And there's even less point in buying A and bashing A saying that B is better.....
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It is irrational to continue to buy a product that doesn't suit you.
I used BlackBerry until they became a laggy mess with no apps that required people to hack the devices to get Android apps. I stopped buying them. They no longer get my money. I spoke with my wallet.
I bought the SGS2, SGS3, got an SGS5 for work and pitched it back because it was trash, and bought the Note 4 and I skipped every Samsung since then and won't give them my money because the devices become trash worthy only of a trash bin after one major update. I spoke with my wallet. Samsung didn't get my money.
The magic is gone for you yet you irrationally gave Apple your money, and what Tim Cook heard was "oh thank you take my money" and then reported on his sale to you among the millions who bought the devices and are happily using them.
Like me.
So it's irrational to buy something you're not happy with then come on a forum to complain about the thing you bought. The way to be heard is to buy something else. And then go happily to that product's fan sites and speak happily about your device.
BUT somehow I don't think that would happen. Which is how we get people here praising Samsung's laggy hot mess of processed bovine feed.
You guys are entertaining.
LOL!!! So large screen sizes are ripping off Samsung!?!?
Gettin' deep. Wonder where I left my wellies.
When I went to school constructive criticism didn't look like anything that has been posted here in the guise of "constructive criticism", a lot of this looks more like "whining". For what reason I don't know. Maybe the same way sports fans get attached to their teams people get attached to their phone manufactures.
Ah yes throw $3000 worth of hardware in the trash and that's excluding all the IAP and save games I made.Sounds like a great idea.First of all I heavily use iMessage and I would lose the ability to use text and call from a Mac which I ise a lot.Android doesn't play as nice with OSX as it does with Windows.I am a ecosystem kinda guy and there isn't a single competent tablet in Android which matches the iPad albeit with flaws.I also REQUIRE a Mac for my course and work.
But I also admit the latest Galaxy S7 has piqued by interest and I may buy it.The hardware is just too damn good and with Apple already coming out with a 6 inch IPhone Edge in 2018 with an OLED display of whom Samsung is the prime manufacturer it seems Apple is just following Samsung around at this point.Just look at the Gear VR headset.Its AMAZING.
point to note-Not ALL members on this site HAVE to be Apple fanboys.This is not a Apple fan club
LOL!!! So large screen sizes are ripping off Samsung!?!?
Gettin' deep. Wonder where I left my wellies.
Huh?Samsung is known for inventing the phablet and big screen category.This is a fact.The Note 3 and 2 were heavily criticised for their big screens which are just average by today standards
Yes this is constructive criticism.I merely compared Apple's spec sheet to Android and laid down the facts.
As far as phone manufacturers go you are merely speaking about yourself because when you deny the fact of the S7 having the best display on the planet being proven by professional display testers by countering with your opinion,it proves you are the one attached to a company not me.
Here is another quote just like yours
You hate it when someone critics Apple but for some reason needs to criticise Samsung as if that makes the facts about Apple invalid.
The Galaxy S7 does NOT lag.But if It makes you feel any better you can keep thinking that way.
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Seems like an extremist, black and white view to me. Fairly typical of some of the other comments in threads such as this.
It's either a fact or its not.As of now Android manufacturers have better specs than Apple.Its foolhardy to deny this
Android manufacturers have had better on paper specs than Apple for a number of years now though. I think the bone of contention has been that the iPhone has coped well and often better on what is perceived as inferior hardware.
I think this last year though we've seen a big shift in performance and specs are finally starting to match performance. This is the first time as an iPhone owner that I've felt Apple need to up their game from a hardware point of view. I played with the S7 properly yesterday and it will likely be my next phone if the iPhone 7 does not impress. I'm just studying the workarounds for things like photo stream which keep me tempted to stay with the iPhone.
Dude....go get a Samsung. Get WhatsApp that will take care of the iMessage piece, get an app to transfer the game stuff which I'm oh so sure that Android makes for your beloved Samsung and go be happy.....life's way too short.
Or maybe not. I'd miss you. Good drama is hard to find.
hhhhhmmmmm maybe I should go visit a Samsung site and talk about how much better my iPhone suits me over my laggy frozen hot mess that is my Note 4. Or maybe not....because I've got better things to do than to go trolling.
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