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[jamezr]

Certainly some fair criticisms but I think some are a little excessive or unrealistic.



I can understand this but you can actually adjust the pressure required in the Accessibility Settings. I've set mine to the lightest sensitivity and it now requires very little pressure, yet it's still quite easy to control.

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And the benefit us having pressure sensitive options means you still also have long press for other functionality.



Don't you think its a little unrealistic to expect it to be implemented across all applications less than one week after release? It doesn't offer universal functionality as not all apps have the same features and functions--that's the beauty of it, so it can't just be automatically part of all third party apps. Of course it's going to take some time. A majority of Apple apps do have it. I won't disagree that customization would improve it significantly but again, what brand new functionality or system wide features are initially released full baked? This criticism would be far more applicable a year from now but is a bit unfair at this point.



Don't disagree about it's use in previewing email messages--my assessment as well. But there are other times were it's great---previewing web links is something I find very useful, within emails, messages, when viewing webpages.



Agree with the former but the latter is already there---devs have access to the APIs, they just need to implement the functionality in their apps.



The back button on Android is great for sure. Apple needs to mandate the swipe left to go back across all apps. The introduction of the ability to return to the previous app is great but having to reach the top left corner to use it sucks. Deep 3DT to access the app switcher does help mitigate this problem though---did you happen to try it?

Those are some good points. I would also say Apple has had plenty of time before release to let app devs enhance their apps. So that most would be ready at launch. Instead it is a hit or miss as to which app will work with 3DT. Then when it does it does not always have useful information. I know over time this will get sorted out. But IMHO this is a bad implementation/release of a feature.
The 3DT for mail is IMHO a replacement for the back button. On my Note 5 i can do what 3DT does but faster with the location of the back button on the N5.

 

[tbayrgs]

Those are some good points. I would also say Apple has had plenty of time before release to let app devs enhance their apps. So that most would be ready at launch. Instead it is a hit or miss as to which app will work with 3DT. Then when it does it does not always have useful information. I know over time this will get sorted out. But IMHO this is a bad implementation/release of a feature.
The 3DT for mail is IMHO a replacement for the back button. On my Note 5 i can do what 3DT does but faster with the location of the back button on the N5.

I'd agree if they'd announced it at WWDC. I think we forget that while it was a badly kept secret, it wasn't actually formally announced and providing early access to the APIs for a pair of devices that weren't announced but 3 weeks ago is a recipe for disaster. Look what happened with iFixit regarding the upcoming Apple TV--and that wasn't a secret.

And they very well may have brought some of the bigger devs into the loop (i.e. Instagram included in the demo) because there are already quite a few apps that have implemented 3D Touch. The featured list on the App Store already includes some big hitters--Instagram, Twitter, Evernote, Dropbox, Workflow (great app, BTW), Shazam, Omni suite of apps, Camera+, Things, to name a few.

Yes, use of it to preview messages in Mail is unnecessary. I can just as quickly open an email and swipe left to right to go back to the list--no real time savings or added simplicity. But it is handy to previous a link within an email message without having to open a browser and then return to Mail.

Whether the options or information available is useful will clearly vary between users. Ability to customize the shortcuts certainly would make it infinitely more useful. Let's hope we see something like that sooner than later. Knowing Apple, probably going to be a bit of a wait, unfortunately.

 

[The Game 161]

Another minor criiticism of 3D Touch---it's only available on my iPhone. I already have found myself trying to use it on my iPad Air 2.

air 3 next year

I do love the future of 3D touch will just take time.

 

[jamezr]

I'd agree if they'd announced it at WWDC. I think we forget that while it was a badly kept secret, it wasn't actually formally announced and providing early access to the APIs for a pair of devices that weren't announced but 3 weeks ago is a recipe for disaster. Look what happened with iFixit regarding the upcoming Apple TV--and that wasn't a secret.

And they very well may have brought some of the bigger devs into the loop (i.e. Instagram included in the demo) because there are already quite a few apps that have implemented 3D Touch. The featured list on the App Store already includes some big hitters--Instagram, Twitter, Evernote, Dropbox, Workflow (great app, BTW), Shazam, Omni suite of apps, Camera+, Things, to name a few.

Yes, use of it to preview messages in Mail is unnecessary. I can just as quickly open an email and swipe left to right to go back to the list--no real time savings or added simplicity. But it is handy to previous a link within an email message without having to open a browser and then return to Mail.

Whether the options or information available is useful will clearly vary between users. Ability to customize the shortcuts certainly would make it infinitely more useful. Let's hope we see something like that sooner than later. Knowing Apple, probably going to be a bit of a wait, unfortunately.

Let stop making excuses for Apple. They have had this feature for quite a while. They could have given the devs early access to the app api to let them develop their apps. They do this with OS upgrades now. Why not with 3DT? Its not like it was a secret.
Then what about the default built in apps like Music, weather and so forth? They do not work well or not at all. Try the builtin weather app. Nothing. Thats all on Apple as that is their own app.
Then the Music app gives options that are not useful at all. It does offer anything useful for me at all. Why not let me browse my own playlists instead of a Beat music option that I have never used?
Apple usually excels at implementation...but they did not implement 3DT very well IMHO

 

[Truefan31]

Let stop making excuses for Apple. They have had this feature for quite a while. They could have given the devs early access to the app api to let them develop their apps. They do this with OS upgrades now. Why not with 3DT? Its not like it was a secret.
Then what about the default built in apps like Music, weather and so forth? They do not work well or not at all. Try the builtin weather app. Nothing. Thats all on Apple as that is their own app.
Then the Music app gives options that are not useful at all. It does offer anything useful for me at all. Why not let me browse my own playlists instead of a Beat music option that I have never used?
Apple usually excels at implementation...but they did not implement 3DT very well IMHO

That functionality may come you never know. Every developer will no doubt bring new features to its apps now, especially in gaming. It is new and while it's not as useful to you it's overall been well received. It's imo one of those things that you'll want every mobile device to have, at least in apples lineup. I do really like being able to use it in safari. Opening multiple links without navigating there is quick and much quicker. I see others trying to mimic 3d touch, just like Touch ID.

This S series is really powerful, ahead of the curve on storage, cpu, and gpu. It's impressive , being benchmarked against the surface pro 3 basically. It's just a great overall phone. Even if 3d touch isn't everyone's cup of tea, the rest of the phone is very impressive imo.

 

[tbayrgs]

Let stop making excuses for Apple. They have had this feature for quite a while. They could have given the devs early access to the app api to let them develop their apps. They do this with OS upgrades now. Why not with 3DT? Its not like it was a secret.

What do you mean they've had this feature for a while now? It's exclusive to the new iPhones, which were announced 3 weeks ago. So you're saying they should have unveiled the cornerstone feature of their flagship devices well ahead of the actual product release? Then Apple would have been crucified for taking so long to release their new phones after announcing them. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Yes, they allow devs access to new APIs in thei OS upgrades, after they've announced the changes and put out developer betas. Again, doing so in this case would've meant announcing the new iPhones back at WWDC but not releasing them until last week. Not exactly they way you want to build buzz for your product. And even if they did that, there's nothing to force devs to actually implement it into their apps. And then what hardware are these thousand of developers supposed to use to test their apps? Can't run it in any existing hardware to see if it works properly.

Then what about the default built in apps like Music, weather and so forth? They do not work well or not at all. Try the builtin weather app. Nothing. Thats all on Apple as that is their own app.
Then the Music app gives options that are not useful at all. It does offer anything useful for me at all. Why not let me browse my own playlists instead of a Beat music option that I have never used?
Apple usually excels at implementation...but they did not implement 3DT very well IMHO

Not gonna please everyone all of the time. I think we all agree that a degree of customization would make 3D Touch more functional. Expecting it to come out fully baked though is ridiculously unrealistic. What elements of any mobile OS exists now exactly as it did even a year or two ago? I could rattle off dozens of feature of iOS or Android that are significantly different from just a year or two ago, much less from they were first released. Why must 3D Touch be perfect out of the gate?

 

[jamezr]

What do you mean they've had this feature for a while now? It's exclusive to the new iPhones, which were announced 3 weeks ago. So you're saying they should have unveiled the cornerstone feature of their flagship devices well ahead of the actual product release? Then Apple would have been crucified for taking so long to release their new phones after announcing them. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Yes, they allow devs access to new APIs in thei OS upgrades, after they've announced the changes and put out developer betas. Again, doing so in this case would've meant announcing the new iPhones back at WWDC but not releasing them until last week. Not exactly they way you want to build buzz for your product. And even if they did that, there's nothing to force devs to actually implement it into their apps. And then what hardware are these thousand of developers supposed to use to test their apps? Can't run it in any existing hardware to see if it works properly.



Not gonna please everyone all of the time. I think we all agree that a degree of customization would make 3D Touch more functional. Expecting it to come out fully baked though is ridiculously unrealistic. What elements of any mobile OS exists now exactly as it did even a year or two ago? I could rattle off dozens of feature of iOS or Android that are significantly different from just a year or two ago, much less from they were first released. Why must 3D Touch be perfect out of the gate?

It doesn't have to be perfect..it should just work! It is not unrealistic for Apple's own weather app to work with its highly touted new feature. Or as you say do we have to really wait years for that to happen?
You're letting Apple off the hook for this...i have seen you blast other OEMs for doing the exact same thing. But Apple gets a pass from you.
Are you really saying that 3DT will not be fully functional for another 1 to two years?

 

[jamezr]

That functionality may come you never know. Every developer will no doubt bring new features to its apps now, especially in gaming. It is new and while it's not as useful to you it's overall been well received. It's imo one of those things that you'll want every mobile device to have, at least in apples lineup. I do really like being able to use it in safari. Opening multiple links without navigating there is quick and much quicker. I see others trying to mimic 3d touch, just like Touch ID.

This S series is really powerful, ahead of the curve on storage, cpu, and gpu. It's impressive , being benchmarked against the surface pro 3 basically. It's just a great overall phone. Even if 3d touch isn't everyone's cup of tea, the rest of the phone is very impressive imo.

My iPhone 6s Plus is a beast! It is a great upgrade in every aspect. But I still think 3DT was not implemented very well out of the box. It is a hit or miss venture. Some apps display half baked information. Some apps show no information at all.

 

[Truefan31]

My iPhone 6s Plus is a beast! It is a great upgrade in every aspect. But I still think 3DT was not implemented very well out of the box. It is a hit or miss venture. Some apps display half baked information. Some apps show no information at all.

I was really torn on the 6s or 6s plus. Ultimately I value one handed use so I went with the 6s. It's really a great device. Buttery smooth. Anandtech preliminary reports show impressive gains. If people thought previous iPhones were underspecced they'd be hard pressed to say that now. But like anything things can change in a year.

Yeah I can see if some don't find 3d touch a great feature. I just think it's a step toward something bigger.

 

[jamezr]

I was really torn on the 6s or 6s plus. Ultimately I value one handed use so I went with the 6s. It's really a great device. Buttery smooth.

Yeah I can see if some don't find 3d touch a great feature. I just think it's a step toward something bigger.

I agree that is a step towards something bigger. But to me it is a disappointment. It is not implemented very well. Even Apple's own built in apps do not present useful information.

 

[Fernandez21]

I agree that is a step towards something bigger. But to me it is a disappointment. It is not implemented very well. Even Apple's own built in apps do not present useful information.

I think the bigger thing for me is how well the deep press works, not so much the features it currently has but how well the system can detect the force press and how it let's you now you've done so. Its much better than the Apple watch, where I'm not sure if I'm pressing hard enough and sometimes I don't feel the haptic feed back. It's also consistent.

The big thing is its now up to Apple and developers to really make this new gesture useful.

 

[Truefan31]

I think the bigger thing for me is how well the deep press works, not so much the features it currently has but how well the system can detect the force press and how it let's you now you've done so. Its much better than the Apple watch, where I'm not sure if I'm pressing hard enough and sometimes I don't feel the haptic feed back. It's also consistent.

The big thing is its now up to Apple and developers to really make this new gesture useful.

I guess it's the progression then. Wonder how the Apple watch 2 will fare. I normally don't buy 1st gen products (aw, rmb) so gen 2 should be the one to watch for.

 

[MRU]

Whilst 3d Touch may still be a little underbaked and lacking in as much functionality as would be prefered - compared to Huawei Force Touch is comparatively vastly superior. Force Touch is by comparison like the ingredients are still in the bowl waiting to be mixed, not even at raw dough stage.

I'm sure both will improve with updates, but I guarantee at least on iOS new features are generally embraced very quickly by developers. Force Touch will take considerably longer before it will see 3rd party developer support.

 

[Truefan31]

Whilst 3d Touch may still be a little underbaked and lacking in as much functionality as would be prefered - compared to Huawei Force Touch is comparatively vastly superior. Force Touch is by comparison like the ingredients are still in the bowl waiting to be mixed, not even at raw dough stage.

I'm sure both will improve with updates, but I guarantee at least on iOS new features are generally embraced very quickly by developers. Force Touch will take considerably longer before it will see 3rd party developer support.

Yup. It's in the developers best interest to adapt quickly. Money to be made.

 

[tbayrgs]

It doesn't have to be perfect..it should just work! It is not unrealistic for Apple's own weather app to work with its highly touted new feature. Or as you say do we have to really wait years for that to happen?
You're letting Apple off the hook for this...i have seen you blast other OEMs for doing the exact same thing. But Apple gets a pass from you.
Are you really saying that 3DT will not be fully functional for another 1 to two years?

Where have I said 3D Touch is perfect? And I'm not giving them 'a pass'--no rosy reviews full of nothing but praise from me. I've acknowledged in numerous posts it has some clear weaknesses--opinions we have in common (customization, previewing mail messages) but I just don't think it's as doom and gloom as you're making it out to be. You're categorically classifying it a terrible implementation because of the inclusion of Beats 1 radio on Music and no implementation on another app--2 pretty specific incidents. I can give you a dozen ways that I already use it daily that have improved my use case or workflow. Does that make either of our opinions more valid than the other? Of course not.

Yes, customization would be awesome but you and I both have no idea what's involved in implementing that and assuming it's a simple change is just being naive. Plus, I'd wager they probably tested out various ways to customize in their labs during development but weren't happy with the initial results. Adjusting to 3D Touch is one of the biggest changes they've implemented on the iPhone in quite a while. Add a bunch of customization options on top and customer's (re: the avg iPhone customer, not you or I) might be overwhelmed.

Apple certainly has a history of trickling out new features/functionality and this is likely no different. Very rarely is anything released that is fully functional--not an excuse for Apple but it's pretty clear that's how they do business, like it or not. It's certainly fair for you to have the opinion that 3DT doesn't offer as much to you as it does to others like myself but I think we should wait more than 1 week before categorically labeling it, failure or success. I'm cautiously optimistic. If come WWDC in June when iOS 10 is likely announced (only 8 months from now) and we still little in the way of improvement, I'll be more vocal with my criticism.

 

[jamezr]

It's funny.......I did an informal poll of the MAC support team at my work. These are die hard Apple fans mind you. These are guys supporting a MACs in a very very Microsoft Windows centric work place. They get a new iphone every year and all 5 have an Apple watch too. Three out of the 5 think 3DT is half baked right now and feel disappointed by it. But they shrug it off because they are Apple fans. The other two think it is the best new iphone feature and it will revolutionize mobile computing........in a year or two.

 

[Tig Bitties]

It's funny.......I did an informal poll of the MAC support team at my work. These are die hard Apple fans mind you. These are guys supporting a MACs in a very very Microsoft Windows centric work place. They get a new iphone every year and all 5 have an Apple watch too. Three out of the 5 think 3DT is half baked right now and feel disappointed by it. But they shrug it off because they are Apple fans. The other two think it is the best new iphone feature and it will revolutionize mobile computing........in a year or two.

LOL. Do they all wear black turtlenecks and jeans and hang out at Starbucks ?

 

[TechnicallyTee]

Sometimes I cant with die hard Apple fans lol..They are just too much sometimes.

 

[TechnicallyTee]

Its funny how some people are ranting and raving over this 3D Touch. Of almost having this phone for a week I maybe have found myself using it..............zero times. If I do happen to use it I would have to make a conscious effort to do so. Also, the whole peek and pop feature. I find no use in that either because when i receive a link, I already know if I am going to open it up or not. I guess being an avid Android user as well, I wish they could've developed a better feature imo. But hey, you cant tell a die hard Apple fan nothing because I have people who swear they use it everyday all day.

 

[jamezr]

LOL. Do they all wear black turtlenecks and jeans and hang out at Starbucks ?

No....they are all pretty normal dudes.

 

[jamezr]

Its funny how some people are ranting and raving over this 3D Touch. Of almost having this phone for a week I maybe have found myself using it..............zero times. If I do happen to use it I would have to make a conscious effort to do so. Also, the whole peek and pop feature. I find no use in that either because when i receive a link, I already know if I am going to open it up or not. I guess being an avid Android user as well, I wish they could've developed a better feature imo. But hey, you cant tell a die hard Apple fan nothing because I have people who swear they use it everyday all day.

That pretty much sums up my experience with 3DT. I find I have to go out of my way to use it. Then it is a hit and miss if it works with the app I am trying to open. Then if the options are useful. It adds a level of complexity to just doing normal stuff.

 

[Tig Bitties]

The iPhone 6S Plus is way too large for a 5.5" device. It's funny when you compare other 5.5" devices next to the 6 Plus, look at the LG G3 next to the 6 Plus, it's a frigging joke, they both have the exact same size screen.

 

[MRU]

The iPhone 6S Plus is way too large for a 5.5" device. It's funny when you compare other 5.5" devices next to the 6 Plus, look at the LG G3 next to the 6 Plus, it's a frigging joke, they both have the exact same size screen.

As phablets go there's very little size difference in hand between the Note 5, Edge +, Moto X Pure or S6 plus. The Nexus 6P is taller even.

The LG G3 is smaller but then it doesn't have a home button on the front. The G4 is slightly bigger.

They all feel much the same in my hand and .2" size difference in screen likewise feels nominal at best between a 5.5 & 5.7" device.

At the end of the day though it's subjective but it definitely does feel as late folks are focusing on every minutiae to find reasons to hate or criticise.

MKBHD said and I would agree that people seem to judge devices not by what they do right anymore but but the small things where they falter. Picking at the blemishes until they have blown them up, are declaring them gaping puss filled wounds.

I actually think 2015 has been one of the strongest years for mobile devices in general.

 

[Tig Bitties]

As phablets go there's very little size difference in hand between the Note 5, Edge +, Moto X Pure or S6 plus. The Nexus 6P is taller even.

The LG G3 is smaller but then it doesn't have a home button on the front. The G4 is slightly bigger.

They all feel much the same in my hand and .2" size difference in screen likewise feels nominal at best between a 5.5 & 5.7" device.

At the end of the day though it's subjective but it definitely does feel as late folks are focusing on every minutiae to find reasons to hate or criticise.

MKBHD said and I would agree that people seem to judge devices not by what they do right anymore but but the small things where they falter. Picking at the blemishes until they have blown them up, are declaring them gaping puss filled wounds.

I actually think 2015 has been one of the strongest years for mobile devices in general.

To me I like a big screen size, in the most compact body available. The Note 5 with a 5.7" screen, is pretty impressive in how the overall phone is very compact. It is smaller in size of other 5.5" phones, I would like to see more phones do that. I actually like 5.5" size the best, in an even more compact body. I think the G3 nailed it, it just needs a flat back, and run stock Android 6.0, running the SD820, 4GB RAM, and a 3,500mAh battery.

I like how Marques Brownlee made this video of the perfect smartphone, and I agree 100% with him;

 

[FFR]

Its funny how some people are ranting and raving over this 3D Touch. Of almost having this phone for a week I maybe have found myself using it..............zero times. If I do happen to use it I would have to make a conscious effort to do so. Also, the whole peek and pop feature. I find no use in that either because when i receive a link, I already know if I am going to open it up or not. I guess being an avid Android user as well, I wish they could've developed a better feature imo. But hey, you cant tell a die hard Apple fan nothing because I have people who swear they use it everyday all day.

I disagree.
I have been using the 3D Touch gestures since the the 25, and all I can say is I cannot buy another phone without it.

Top three current 3D gestures that I can't live without:

1) The keyboard
2) multi tasking shortcut
3)previews in mail, messages and safari (peek and pop)

It really feels like multi touch did when the first iPhone was introduced.

Oh and I also use the 3D Touch on the music app to start listening to the last song I played.

FYI: 3D Touch became much more enjoyable to use once i adjusted sensitivity levels.

Can't wait to see mru's photos once he receives his unit.