Waiting is the worst. You can blame brexit for adding a week on the lead time (if it’s anything like our imports at work).
Don’t worry soon enough you’ll be driving the quietest car you’ve ever owned!
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Don’t worry soon enough you’ll be driving the quietest car you’ve ever owned!
Oh absolutely. Our supply chain and logistics department at work have a nightmare with paperwork and customs delays since Brexit. Costs a fortune now too. Indeed, looking forward to getting it and selling the Peugeot. I think it’s the longest we’ve owned a car in the last 6 years at just over 2 years now. We’ll have to have this Q4 now for 3 years so my wife can’t get bored like she usually does.
Toying with the idea of getting a Model 3 or Y later this year used, depending on how prices in Canada develop. Not that I’m personally in a rush but the wife will have more driving to do and the savings on fuel might break this even after a couple years.
That’s why it’s become the salesman’s car of choice. All those miles they do, it’s a good ROI.
As long as you sit in the front, it’s ok in a model 3. Adults like myself in the back, rather not. But what can you do. I love the spacious room my Passat has to offer for all passengers but unfortunately I don’t see that in a good value EV as of yet.
And just on that point: there are still sales people going from A to B as a mass phenomenon? As in they drive around and knock on strangers’ doors to sell stuff?
Tesla prices have come down quite dramatically in the last few months too. Originally when my wife was dealing with the company leasing agent they were promoting Tesla's as they said some models have seen as much as a £5k price cut and this is why we are seeing more and more of them on the roads. They are becoming the most popular company car and lots of salesmen/women are using them. As it happens the car we are getting isn't leased now as her company have bought it and she didn't like the Tesla Model Y that her boss was keen for her to get due to cost lol.
I did start to wonder why I am suddenly seeing a lot of Tesla M3's on the roads and a price reduction and shorter lead times now makes sense.
The sales people (aka Account Managers) in my company travel around but by appointment. Sure it has reduced a lot in recent years but there is still a requirement for visits. I've had 2 meetings with account managers for suppliers I use this morning, one of which was actually driving a Tesla M3, the other was in an Audi A5. The Polestar 2 is a fairly common EV now too and a vehicle I was impressed by when I drove one a few weeks back.
As @The-Real-Deal82 says. Account managers by appointment. Product training for our resellers etc.
GM joins the ditching CCS for the Tesla plug party.
arstechnica.com
Tesla to add General Motors to its charger standard next year
GM EV drivers will need a dongle at first; NACS ports will show up in 2025.
arstechnica.com
That is the second domino to fall. When it was just Ford, I was worried that the others would hold out and we would remain split between the two charging system, but now with both Ford and GM onboard, that is a clear indication of which way the electrons are blowing.GM joins the ditching CCS for the Tesla plug party.
Tesla to add General Motors to its charger standard next year
GM EV drivers will need a dongle at first; NACS ports will show up in 2025.
The next step will be for some of the big charging networks to announce that they will start including NACS plugs on their chargers.
Strange how Tesla haven't opened up their charging network to all EV's in the US but seem to have done so here in Europe. Surely the more cars that can use it, the more money Tesla make?
They sorta have, the issue is the plug is different, so they have to swap stalls with magic dock stalls. Ideally every EV maker in the States should switch over to NACS.
I’d imagine before long we’ll see a standard enforced like USB-C on mobile phones where there is only one plug type. It would make things a lot easier for EV owners I would think. Or they have two types of ports on the chargers which is what I presume is on the European Tesla chargers? I’ve never taken much notice of public chargers but probably should as our car arrives in a couple of weeks.
So the US and the EU have different CCS plugs because EU uses 2/3 phase power in homes where the US only uses single phase. So while the actual DC part of the charging plug is the same the top part is different.
I would be reasonably surprised if Honda didn't follow. They're working with GM on EV tech.
Now, companies under the VAG umbrella are likely to come last because of their heavier investment in charging technology.
I'm not surprised GM and Ford have adopted the Tesla connector design. Have you tried to connect a CCS 1 or CCS 2 plug and find out how unwieldy it is?
I hope Tesla uses these partnerships to add even more superchargers. Here in Southern California those superchargers can get really full especially during mid-day. I can't imagine what it is going to be like adding both Ford and GM cars to the mix.
Also, a lot of Tesla Superchargers work by just putting the Supercharger on the driver's side rear, so if Ford/GM doesn't know any better, they can end up taking the wrong cable to charge their car, resulting in a lost spot to charge (already seeing photos of this).
Having seen some of the 3rd party chargers ... I can't imagine how anyone would want anything but a slim Tesla charger. Some of those are 3x larger in size to the Tesla adapter... But I guess I am biased.
To this day I still see Teslas pulling up to 3rd party chargers trying to figure out why they can't plug in.
Also, a lot of Tesla Superchargers work by just putting the Supercharger on the driver's side rear, so if Ford/GM doesn't know any better, they can end up taking the wrong cable to charge their car, resulting in a lost spot to charge (already seeing photos of this).
Having seen some of the 3rd party chargers ... I can't imagine how anyone would want anything but a slim Tesla charger. Some of those are 3x larger in size to the Tesla adapter... But I guess I am biased.
To this day I still see Teslas pulling up to 3rd party chargers trying to figure out why they can't plug in.
The big advantage Tesla have isn’t the connector, but the fact that the car is connected to your account etc.
With contactless or apps to pay for other car manufacturers, there is always the possibility of a problem with the payment gateway.
Some Tesla chargers in the UK are available. But I’ve never used one.
With contactless or apps to pay for other car manufacturers, there is always the possibility of a problem with the payment gateway.
Some Tesla chargers in the UK are available. But I’ve never used one.
Zap Map is an app I would recommend. Has lots of useful information, route planning etc.
This is something I read about but really understood once I actually tried to use 3rd party chargers here in Southern California.
Tesla Supercharger? Roll up, plug in, leave. You get a charge on your CC usually right away (sometimes a day or two later) - you can watch real time cent incrementing of charging rate on your Tesla's screen.
3rd party charger? Roll up, figure out if adapter works, use QR code that is often so degraded the phone doesn't recognize it to go to the manufacturer's website which requires you to create an account and download their app (hope you have good reception), link up a payment factor - this part often fails. THEN, if you are lucky to get past that, you use the QR code again to tell the app to activate the 3rd party charger, which it often fails to do or requires a handful of attempts. If you get past that point, and you luck out with a charger that works with the J1772 adapter for your Tesla, more times than not, it'll fail to start charging for whatever reason. If you're lucky and it starts charging, I've had quite a few of them just stop charging as I walk away (car tells me). Those that do charge often have INSANE fees to prevent you from charging there for more than 2-4 hours - they're often 6.6 kw too and charge higher than home charging rates so really slow.
Also starting to see a lot more vandalism of 3rd party chargers here in Southern CA - and of course, these 3rd party companies seem to take MONTHS to fix them.
Edit: Some of the 3rd party chargers require you to enter a complicated alphanumeric code in their app to activate the charger (if no QR code) - and these chargers have numbers and letters all over them, so you're spending 5-10 mins entering all the numbers you see hoping it activates, lol.
So definitely agreed. ChargePoint+ is by far the best in my area. But even that, I couldn't rely on it for charging if I had to.
Just a mess.
In the UK it’s not that bad. Most are
Pull up plug in (we all use the same charger).
Tap your card or watch as most have contactless payment.
When you are done you get your card charge on your banking app.
Yeah most people are used to the gas/petrol station method. It seems silly though, the car has to talk to the station to figure out what rate to charge at and it knows how much energy you get, may as well have the car handle the payment side as well, in my opinion.
In the EU there is an enforced standard CCS/2 and even Tesla uses it. In other countries there are different ones. It is unlikely that there will be an enforced international standard any time soon. Complex to implement and little practical benefit.
In the US/NA, we have had CCS/1 as the standard but it was not yet enforced. Tesla already had their system and they recently proposed it as an alternative standard. With this recent switch by both Ford and GM, it seems that they have voted for the Tesla NACS as the new standard which leaves CCS/1 out in the cold.
Absolutely. But I suppose some issues could occur if you want to pay via two accounts. Work and personal etc.