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I personally got a Mustang Mach E back in the end of March. I did reserve it back in Feb of 2019. I personally have been loving it and it has become our family car. My wife’s car gets used by who ever is driving less that day. That or when we need to drive out of town to a place with limited charging.
The Mach E is the car we drive together everywhere and is surprising rooming inside. My daughter car seat fits great behind the passenger side and still leaves room to spare plus that EV get up and go is amazing. It cost us about 3 cents a mile in power if we are charging at home compared to 10-12 cents in gas for my wife’s car. I do get free power from work on the few days I do drive into the office.
 

agregson

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I have had a Renault Zoe for a few years. Love it. Would never go back to ICE. It is a pleasure to drive - no messing around with gears, clutches, fuel and no lag at all when I want to pull out of junction or overtake. Just about to change to the new model on Monday.
I tend to charge at home on overnight tariff (car and charger can be set to only charge on night tariff). I subscribe to a green tariff from a renewable supplier so at least they are committed to buying renewables to cover the tariffs of people like me wo subscribe to it. My charger is 7kw overnight and will charge from empty to full in just under 6 hours. I tend to charge maybe once per week though if I know have a long trip much like phone I will plug in when arrive home the night before. Occasionally charge at public network (have used fast and rapid) which is free (NI). That just works and chargers vary from 22kw to 65kw locally - new rapid charger for new model will charge more rapidly than that.
Range is not an issue for me though I am a cautious, predictive driver. I always get around 210 miles on one charge - real miles based on my driving patterns. The new Zoe will have a larger motor, much larger battery and the rapid charger - some chargers close to me can charge that.
Not sure what else to add. I can wholly recommend it - I would certainly never go back.
 

Apple fanboy

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I have had a Renault Zoe for a few years. Love it. Would never go back to ICE. It is a pleasure to drive - no messing around with gears, clutches, fuel and no lag at all when I want to pull out of junction or overtake. Just about to change to the new model on Monday.
I tend to charge at home on overnight tariff (car and charger can be set to only charge on night tariff). I subscribe to a green tariff from a renewable supplier so at least they are committed to buying renewables to cover the tariffs of people like me wo subscribe to it. My charger is 7kw overnight and will charge from empty to full in just under 6 hours. I tend to charge maybe once per week though if I know have a long trip much like phone I will plug in when arrive home the night before. Occasionally charge at public network (have used fast and rapid) which is free (NI). That just works and chargers vary from 22kw to 65kw locally - new rapid charger for new model will charge more rapidly than that.
Range is not an issue for me though I am a cautious, predictive driver. I always get around 210 miles on one charge - real miles based on my driving patterns. The new Zoe will have a larger motor, much larger battery and the rapid charger - some chargers close to me can charge that.
Not sure what else to add. I can wholly recommend it - I would certainly never go back.
Are you getting the same range now as you were when it was new? Just curious as that’s probably why I will update my iPhone next month. Appreciate it’s a different battery technology, but the principle is the same.
 

agregson

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Nov 18, 2020
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Are you getting the same range now as you were when it was new? Just curious as that’s probably why I will update my iPhone next month. Appreciate it’s a different battery technology, but the principle is the same.
I have just charged overnight. Reporting 224 miles. When new it was reporting 220 before the car learnt my driving style. Battery diagnostic shows 100%.

I tend to agree and change my phone regularly or battery health. I am somewhat annoyed that my 8 month old iPhone 12 Pro Max shows 94% battery health when I charge using only apple (slower) charger with Magsafe with optimised charging and only once per night.

Unlike the kit Apple inflict on us these days the EV can be worked on. Battery can be changed out in less than 30 mins - it drops out as a module and a new one just clicks in. The power module is a series of batteries and each is a series of cells. These can all be serviced right down to cell level to replace a bad cell. The warranty on battery from Renault is 8 years and they guarantee performance or replacement.

Many other components can be changed easily. The motor, climate control and many other components are just modules and can easily be swapped. The greatest challenge is the expertise now needed. All basic (and similar) fixings are used so tools are minimal. It needs computers and engineers who can reprogram it. The car even connects to dealer and manufacturer via GSM (there are several modules independent to any I have) where they can diagnose, track, respond to emergency and even locate chargers and so on. It is much more serviceable, sustainable and repairable than a modern iPhone or iMac!

I would not drive anything else. I have learnt to adapt to use regenerative braking and kinetic energy recovery and find the driving much smoother. I use the speed limiters that change with the statutory limit (I can over-rule this for overtake or safety). I never switch things off so climate control is 21 all year round and car chooses heat/cool. ICE is always on and iPhone is always connected. In winter I use the electric heaters for seat, steering wheel, mirrors and never worry about it. I also use pre-condition overnight when plugged in so car is at correct temperature. I also use this when out and coming back to car so it is warmed/cooled in advance (app can control that).

I never have any range anxiety and even if I had a long trip planned I would just work out a public or location with charge. At least 6 service stations within 20 miles of me have rapid charge. On the current EV it will charge from 20% to full in around 40 mins. In the new EV this will drop to around 15 mins. On the very widely available public chargers (street, car park, venues and so on) this is around 90-120 mins - usually time for a visit to shopping centre or venue anyway. If the charger has a wait I can be pinged to return when car is charged so another user can access the charger otherwise I just come back when suits. A number of hotels have 7kw chargers and even those that don’t have outdoor 3kw plugs available (free) and the 3kw charger lead will charge in around 14-16 hours - basically an overnight at a hotel.

I use electricity or most things. Car for traction is super. I also have battery tools for garden and home heat runs on air source heat pump with underfloor heat as an overnight storage heater. I don’t (yet) have PV as the feed-in limit is 3kw and I have no real way to store this for now. If/when they let me feed-in 8-12kw I will go for that as car will work as store (again when rules allow return feed). All benefit from low noise, low mess, much better efficiency and no need to use or store any toxic fuels.

I just looked up the car stats. Just over 9000 miles and energy consumption is showing as 1800kwh with 320kwh from harvested energy (kinetic energy recovery). My night rate for energy is £0.1075 so that works out well. If car was ICE and 35mpg that would have needed 1200 litres of fuel at £1.30 per litre. Add in service costs, maintenance, tyre replacement (EV uses way less at least in my experience).

I cannot recommend it enough. I would advise anyone to try it. I would never move back to fuel based car, heat, appliances and will, as far as I can, support vendors that have a similar outlook.
 

Apple fanboy

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I have just charged overnight. Reporting 224 miles. When new it was reporting 220 before the car learnt my driving style. Battery diagnostic shows 100%.

I tend to agree and change my phone regularly or battery health. I am somewhat annoyed that my 8 month old iPhone 12 Pro Max shows 94% battery health when I charge using only apple (slower) charger with Magsafe with optimised charging and only once per night.

Unlike the kit Apple inflict on us these days the EV can be worked on. Battery can be changed out in less than 30 mins - it drops out as a module and a new one just clicks in. The power module is a series of batteries and each is a series of cells. These can all be serviced right down to cell level to replace a bad cell. The warranty on battery from Renault is 8 years and they guarantee performance or replacement.

Many other components can be changed easily. The motor, climate control and many other components are just modules and can easily be swapped. The greatest challenge is the expertise now needed. All basic (and similar) fixings are used so tools are minimal. It needs computers and engineers who can reprogram it. The car even connects to dealer and manufacturer via GSM (there are several modules independent to any I have) where they can diagnose, track, respond to emergency and even locate chargers and so on. It is much more serviceable, sustainable and repairable than a modern iPhone or iMac!

I would not drive anything else. I have learnt to adapt to use regenerative braking and kinetic energy recovery and find the driving much smoother. I use the speed limiters that change with the statutory limit (I can over-rule this for overtake or safety). I never switch things off so climate control is 21 all year round and car chooses heat/cool. ICE is always on and iPhone is always connected. In winter I use the electric heaters for seat, steering wheel, mirrors and never worry about it. I also use pre-condition overnight when plugged in so car is at correct temperature. I also use this when out and coming back to car so it is warmed/cooled in advance (app can control that).

I never have any range anxiety and even if I had a long trip planned I would just work out a public or location with charge. At least 6 service stations within 20 miles of me have rapid charge. On the current EV it will charge from 20% to full in around 40 mins. In the new EV this will drop to around 15 mins. On the very widely available public chargers (street, car park, venues and so on) this is around 90-120 mins - usually time for a visit to shopping centre or venue anyway. If the charger has a wait I can be pinged to return when car is charged so another user can access the charger otherwise I just come back when suits. A number of hotels have 7kw chargers and even those that don’t have outdoor 3kw plugs available (free) and the 3kw charger lead will charge in around 14-16 hours - basically an overnight at a hotel.

I use electricity or most things. Car for traction is super. I also have battery tools for garden and home heat runs on air source heat pump with underfloor heat as an overnight storage heater. I don’t (yet) have PV as the feed-in limit is 3kw and I have no real way to store this for now. If/when they let me feed-in 8-12kw I will go for that as car will work as store (again when rules allow return feed). All benefit from low noise, low mess, much better efficiency and no need to use or store any toxic fuels.

I just looked up the car stats. Just over 9000 miles and energy consumption is showing as 1800kwh with 320kwh from harvested energy (kinetic energy recovery). My night rate for energy is £0.1075 so that works out well. If car was ICE and 35mpg that would have needed 1200 litres of fuel at £1.30 per litre. Add in service costs, maintenance, tyre replacement (EV uses way less at least in my experience).

I cannot recommend it enough. I would advise anyone to try it. I would never move back to fuel based car, heat, appliances and will, as far as I can, support vendors that have a similar outlook.
Thanks for the very comprehensive review. Food for thought when I’m next upgrading.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Jan 17, 2013
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I have had a Renault Zoe for a few years. Love it. Would never go back to ICE. It is a pleasure to drive - no messing around with gears, clutches, fuel and no lag at all when I want to pull out of junction or overtake.
The gears thing is one thing I will be sad to lose. I was telling my children that by the time they learnt I drive, it’ll be fool proof pretty much as every car will be automatic. The learning process will be shorter and easier than the past 100 years where everybody had to learn how to actually drive a car with a manual gearbox. I suppose that is a sign of the times. I was a passenger in an electric Kia the other day and was impressed by how smooth it was but the quiet aspect needs correcting I think. It’s nice to hear an engine and also safer from a pedestrian perspective.
 

Apple fanboy

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The gears thing is one thing I will be sad to lose. I was telling my children that by the time they learnt I drive, it’ll be fool proof pretty much as every car will be automatic. The learning process will be shorter and easier than the past 100 years where everybody had to learn how to actually drive a car with a manual gearbox. I suppose that is a sign of the times. I was a passenger in an electric Kia the other day and was impressed by how smooth it was but the quiet aspect needs correcting I think. It’s nice to hear an engine and also safer from a pedestrian perspective.
I was nearly run over by a Nissan Leaf just yesterday. Couldn't hear it at all and we have no footpaths around here. Just snuck up behind me. Fortunately the driver was not going fast.
 
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agregson

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I was nearly run over by a Nissan Leaf just yesterday. Couldn't hear it at all and we have no footpaths around here. Just snuck up behind me. Fortunately the driver was not going fast.
It can be an issue. As an EV driver I am very aware of the noise and take care. I have seen some very odd behaviour from pedestrians that I can understand. Even when they clearly see my car they often walk in front of me as they are accustomed to judging risk by sound rather than sight. I keep this very much in mind.

I have similar issue with no pavements where I live. Highway code under general guidance for pedestrians (in UK anyway) advised (rule 2) to always walk on the right in singe file so you can see oncoming traffic. Humans and other animals also notice eyes (hence cats eyes work so well) so when a driver can see your face and eyes they subconsciously perceive risk.

Below 17mph EV do generate noise. I can program the “voice” personality that Zoe has and it is a strange sound - not very loud but very present.

I do not miss the noise. When I am in places with lots of cars rushing by the noise is over-whelming (I have ASD so am noise aware and averse). I would love a road where cars are all EV!

It would be good to see more of an education around EV changes on roads - for drivers and other road users. I suppose the same applies for electric scooters, bicycles and similar all of which now can travel at considerable speed without all of the usual noise pollution we all use to be aware of risk.
 

agregson

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Nov 18, 2020
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The gears thing is one thing I will be sad to lose. I was telling my children that by the time they learnt I drive, it’ll be fool proof pretty much as every car will be automatic. The learning process will be shorter and easier than the past 100 years where everybody had to learn how to actually drive a car with a manual gearbox. I suppose that is a sign of the times. I was a passenger in an electric Kia the other day and was impressed by how smooth it was but the quiet aspect needs correcting I think. It’s nice to hear an engine and also safer from a pedestrian perspective.
I really do no miss the gears. I always found it a strange thing. EVs are unusual in so much as they are not even automatic as they just go - and can go as quickly backwards as forwards. There are no gears, no changes and not even a continually variable transmission. The power is simply regulated electronically. I would not wish to go back to gears of any type.

The instant reaction from an EV is something that catches others out. On the rare occasion I have to move an ICE car I am caught out by how long and how much persuasion it takes to get it to do anything.

One thing EV are fun for is when a large sports car pulls up alongside and sits making a noise nuisance of itself at traffic lights. I only have a Renault Zoe (small car) so it surprises them when I can leave them standing in their fancy sports cars and they have no hope of moving, accelerating or catching me within a reasonable distance. When you push go on an EV it just goes and makes no hesitation about it if you give it suitable instruction.

Personally I would love to see controls change. I hate foot pedals and see no Need for them. I would like hand controls. Also see no need for the useless direction selector. The wheel is a legacy of when the gearing was needed in steering to turn the steering. Now it is electronic so the wheel is not needed. I would love the whole dash removed and replaced with a screen and maybe move controls to a joystick type with on my right hand on the door. Despite being 50+ I am quite adept with video games and can control racing games with far more precision with a game controller than I can with a wheel.

The lack of time needed for drivers to learn idiosyncratic control systems is a benefit. They can focus on the rules, regulations, safety and process of driving. Not having to think about controls is surely a good thing - as iPhone and iPad have very clearly demonstrated. I think a lot more time spent on theory, safety, economy and environmentally aware driving would be a good thing.

If I was at learning age now I would be EV only and would be quite happy with a license that was suitably restricted.

The noise obsession soon goes. Suddenly you can enjoy the quiet and appreciate audiobooks, podcasts and music without the drone. Then when there are dozens of noise generators in a road people like me who have noise issues (ASD) are not so sensory overloaded.

I cant wait to see where EV goes next. I already have a range of driver aids. It has cameras, radar assist, distance and lane warnings, emergency braking, speed recognition and limits, park assist (it steers and even advises when it spots a space that works - I just control speed), adapative cruise control … With better, modern controls (no pedals, levers, wheels and such) and a range of tech assistants it will be hugely beneficial. Then we all have a huge energy store that can contribute to grid and power distribution which can also only be a good thing.

One challenge I can see is for recovery trucks and businesses. What can they do? More need for a laptop than a scanner! No jump starts, towing, fuel fill ups and all that hassle!
 

Apple fanboy

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It can be an issue. As an EV driver I am very aware of the noise and take care. I have seen some very odd behaviour from pedestrians that I can understand. Even when they clearly see my car they often walk in front of me as they are accustomed to judging risk by sound rather than sight. I keep this very much in mind.

I have similar issue with no pavements where I live. Highway code under general guidance for pedestrians (in UK anyway) advised (rule 2) to always walk on the right in singe file so you can see oncoming traffic. Humans and other animals also notice eyes (hence cats eyes work so well) so when a driver can see your face and eyes they subconsciously perceive risk.

Below 17mph EV do generate noise. I can program the “voice” personality that Zoe has and it is a strange sound - not very loud but very present.

I do not miss the noise. When I am in places with lots of cars rushing by the noise is over-whelming (I have ASD so am noise aware and averse). I would love a road where cars are all EV!

It would be good to see more of an education around EV changes on roads - for drivers and other road users. I suppose the same applies for electric scooters, bicycles and similar all of which now can travel at considerable speed without all of the usual noise pollution we all use to be aware of risk.
I'm aware of which side to walk on! But this was a single lane road. I probably would have heard it come up behind me, but there was a noisy party in a garden I was walking past. It wasn't that much of an issue as it was travelling (sensibly) slowly. However not everyone does do they? Plus I walk the twisty lanes around here everyday, so it is likely to be more of an issue as time goes on. Still got to go someway right?
 

agregson

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I'm aware of which side to walk on! But this was a single lane road. I probably would have heard it come up behind me, but there was a noisy party in a garden I was walking past. It wasn't that much of an issue as it was travelling (sensibly) slowly. However not everyone does do they? Plus I walk the twisty lanes around here everyday, so it is likely to be more of an issue as time goes on. Still got to go someway right?
Sorry ... I did not mean any offence. I come across so many people walking on left side. Just last night someone was walking on a road with no street lights, on left side, wearing black clothes and no reflective bands! I spotted them as they were staring into their phone and the screen glow illuminated them!

When I go out I use illuminated armband and those little LED flashy things that dog walkers (at least the considerate ones) place on their collars. Anything to increase chance of being seen.

I do drive slowly, cautiously and will always give cyclists and pedestrians the space they need often waiting behind them rather than what most drivers do and try to squeeze past putting themselves and other road users at risk.

The changes upcoming in priorities for pedestrians will be interesting. I wonder how many people even read Highway Code now or will be aware of the changes.

I often wondered if some sort of contact ping thing could work on cars and phones to warn of upcoming cars or pedestrians. Bluetooth would seem almost ideal for this - especially if somehow the phones included their GPS location in a sort of beacon.
 

pshufd

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2013
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New Hampshire
Sorry ... I did not mean any offence. I come across so many people walking on left side. Just last night someone was walking on a road with no street lights, on left side, wearing black clothes and no reflective bands! I spotted them as they were staring into their phone and the screen glow illuminated them!

When I go out I use illuminated armband and those little LED flashy things that dog walkers (at least the considerate ones) place on their collars. Anything to increase chance of being seen.

I do drive slowly, cautiously and will always give cyclists and pedestrians the space they need often waiting behind them rather than what most drivers do and try to squeeze past putting themselves and other road users at risk.

The changes upcoming in priorities for pedestrians will be interesting. I wonder how many people even read Highway Code now or will be aware of the changes.

I often wondered if some sort of contact ping thing could work on cars and phones to warn of upcoming cars or pedestrians. Bluetooth would seem almost ideal for this - especially if somehow the phones included their GPS location in a sort of beacon.

One of my neighbors runs at 5 AM and he wears a light vest with blinking red lights on the back and a complete illumination package in the front. He might also be wearing a headlamp. He runs on a highway with a breakdown lane and you can not miss him. He's visible from a half-mile away. The lighting is important for runners as you're moving pretty fast and don't want to trip and fall because you can't see in front of you.
 

dubuilding68

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Nov 22, 2019
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I was very tempted by the Mini SE but turned off by high probability of rattles along the road and no profit on buying/resale at the end of the lease. I made 4000$ profit on my leased 10 000 km. 2017 Jetta which serve as a down payment on my next lease. On the Mini forget about that… But the car is a blast to drive except for the ping pong suspension. I‘ll lease a 2022 Golf GTI autobahn which in Canada is astoundingly inexpensive.
 

Apple fanboy

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Sorry ... I did not mean any offence. I come across so many people walking on left side. Just last night someone was walking on a road with no street lights, on left side, wearing black clothes and no reflective bands! I spotted them as they were staring into their phone and the screen glow illuminated them!

When I go out I use illuminated armband and those little LED flashy things that dog walkers (at least the considerate ones) place on their collars. Anything to increase chance of being seen.

I do drive slowly, cautiously and will always give cyclists and pedestrians the space they need often waiting behind them rather than what most drivers do and try to squeeze past putting themselves and other road users at risk.

The changes upcoming in priorities for pedestrians will be interesting. I wonder how many people even read Highway Code now or will be aware of the changes.

I often wondered if some sort of contact ping thing could work on cars and phones to warn of upcoming cars or pedestrians. Bluetooth would seem almost ideal for this - especially if somehow the phones included their GPS location in a sort of beacon.
No offence taken. I’m very think skinned! But my grandparents lived in the country and taught me from a young age how to walk around country lanes.
 

QCassidy352

macrumors G5
Mar 20, 2003
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Bay Area
The increase in the 2000s, in large part, is due to the Fed support of the markets which is why we haven't had a significant crash since 2008. So MMT or welfare for investors. There have been long periods of time where the main indexes haven't done much.

I would rather loan money out than borrow it myself. You can make some serious capital gains when interest rates go down.
I’m not talking about the last decade (which has been over 13% / year), I’m talking about since the 1920s.

 

pshufd

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2013
10,133
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New Hampshire
I’m not talking about the last decade (which has been over 13% / year), I’m talking about since the 1920s.


As the Investorpedia article mentioned, the $SPX only had 90 stocks up until the 1950s when it was expanded to 500 stocks.

At any rate, this line is off topic.
 

QCassidy352

macrumors G5
Mar 20, 2003
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As the Investorpedia article mentioned, the $SPX only had 90 stocks up until the 1950s when it was expanded to 500 stocks.

At any rate, this line is off topic.
Ok, so approximately 8% per year instead of 9 if you want to go from the time it went to 500 stocks. Really doesn’t change my point.
 

pshufd

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2013
10,133
14,563
New Hampshire
Just found out that a third person in my tennis circles has a Tesla - a Model S. One of my regular hitting partners told me he was thinking of exchanging his Model 3 for Model S. I asked why and he said that it's more luxurious and that it has better pickup. I asked him how much pickup he needs given that it's already insane for the Model 3.

I do not know if the third guy also has an ICE vehicle but my assumption is that he does given the lack of Superchargers in my area and the brutal winters.

One other thing I noticed is that one of the rest stops in Boston, near the intersection of Routes 128 (I-95) and 3 have eight brand-new Supercharger stations. They are currently fenced off but I suspect that Tesla owners will be quite happy. It's a great location, particularly if you get stuck in traffic during rush hour where you can charge up, grab a bite to eat or a cup of coffee and surf the web or work on the WiFi. It is an area of incredible traffic. I do wonder if eight will be enough. They should have put one in this location a long time ago.
 

stillcrazyman

macrumors 603
Oct 10, 2014
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Exile
I've been following the BEV industry here in the US and in Europe for a bit over a year now. Lots of great new vehicles coming out in the next few years.
I'm looking to buy an EV as my next vehicle. I only drive to and from work and a few other local places. So my needs are simple.
There don't seem to be many affordable, for me, options here in the US right now. Tesla M3, Ford Mach E, VW ID4 (no ID3 !), Chevy Bolt, Hyundai / Kia are only available in some states, and the Mini.
Prices are my main concern. Cars in general have gotten very expensive lately. EVs even more so.

I did test drive a VW ID4 and a Mach E. I liked the VW more. Very much more.
Not in a rush to buy but look forward to more test drives and researching.
 
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I've been following the BEV industry here in the US and in Europe for a bit over a year now. Lots of great new vehicles coming out in the next few years.
I'm looking to buy an EV as my next vehicle. I only drive to and from work and a few other local places. So my needs are simple.
There don't seem to be many affordable, for me, options here in the US right now. Tesla M3, Ford Mach E, VW ID4 (no ID3 !), Chevy Bolt, Hyundai / Kia are only available in some states, and the Mini.
Prices are my main concern. Cars in general have gotten very expensive lately. EVs even more so.

I did test drive a VW ID4 and a Mach E. I liked the VW more. Very much more.
Not in a rush to buy but look forward to more test drives and researching.

I’m on board for the Tesla Model 3. Likely 2022 at this point, given orders are still showing 14 weeks or longer for a delivery. But you know, I don’t think the Model 3 isn’t really that expensive in terms of what it’s offering with the technology, but I understand everybody has different financial situations. For me, aside from what somebody can afford, I look at it like does somebody truly understand the investment with an EV vehicle? (Just asking rhetorically.) The savings is significant across-the-board when you look at no fuel, no maintenance and what does that amount to a year that somebody would save, even including tax incentives that follow with EV’s. Aside from the cost savings, I really think someone needs understand long-term what an EV will benefit their bank account.. Not only that, but I suspect consumers will keep EV vehicles longer, because they realize that they won’t really need anything and the batteries should have a duration of a minimum of 10 years.

I understand that there are certain markets that really don’t have a lot of places to charge EVs, but even my needs are minimal and I probably wouldn’t drive it a whole lot, but I look forward to the ‘fun factor’ and passing by the fuel pumps. For me, I actually see this is more of a profit return than I actually do an expense with moving away.

I think the pressure relieving factor for people who want to consider an EV, will at least understand that they don’t have to deal with the fluctuation of fuel prices that can jump astronomically during certain types of seasons, especially for someone that maybe has a longer commute or drives approximately 45-50 miles a day.
 

Nhwhazup

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Sep 2, 2010
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I’m in the market for a new vehicle next year and will definitely look at electric vehicles. I live in NH so want an SUV. Any recommendations for an electric SUV?
 

Solomani

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Sep 25, 2012
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Get an EV car? Yes, eventually.

I'm not completely sold on Tesla yet.... too many quality problems.

Maybe 5-8 years from now there will be at least 4 or 5 mass-marketed EV brands other than Tesla (and I'm guessing that at least one of them will be Japanese brand, and one will be a German automotive brand). When there is wide competition, only then will Tesla get its act together. Competition forces everyone to up their game. And hopefully it forces Elon to just shut up about cryptos and shut up Tweeting other stupid things... and just focus on delivering his hyped-up promises (e.g. FSD that actually works reliably).
 
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