Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[culo77]

This is where having a level 2 charger at home, even if the car sits outside is a real benefit.

Level 2 is not needed for most EV's to warm the pack. Yes its quicker and nice to have, just not needed.

Of course if they don't have the means to plug in at home( or have to rely on 120V charging*), an EV is not for them right now.

*Rely on 120 and live where it gets cold. If live in a warm climate, 120V can be fine. But in the winter, 120V does not supply enough power to charge the battery, warm the car, and warm the battery.

You are correct in thinking that it doesn't directly supply enough to charge and heat at the same time. But the car's battery management system will figure it out and you CAN leave in the morning with a 100% battery and fully heated battery on a 110v level 1, it just takes longer.

 

[culo77]

Regen braking works and feels exactly the same on my BMW at 100% or at 50%.

The i3 at 100% to 95% state of charge does not regen it uses the brakes. If you are 1 pedal driving it you will not notice a difference at all (darn German engineering). But in that % range if you do need to use the brake pedal you will notice it's "preloaded" and won't have any travel and bites right away. This is because the car was already using the brakes to slow you down like the regen feels.

 

[quagmire]

Level 2 is not needed for most EV's to warm the pack. Yes its quicker and nice to have, just not needed.



You are correct in thinking that it doesn't directly supply enough to charge and heat at the same time. But the car's battery management system will figure it out and you CAN leave in the morning with a 100% battery and fully heated battery on a 110v level 1, it just takes longer.

Gonna take a lot of planning.

When I come out to my Model 3, it’s asking for 8A’s of power from the wall and it isn’t heating the battery. That’s 4A’s to either go to the battery or heat it. Or you’re sacrificing heating the cabin to charge/heat the battery.

 

[Apple fanboy]

The i3 at 100% to 95% state of charge does not regen it uses the brakes. If you are 1 pedal driving it you will not notice a difference at all (darn German engineering). But in that % range if you do need to use the brake pedal you will notice it's "preloaded" and won't have any travel and bites right away. This is because the car was already using the brakes to slow you down like the regen feels.

We like German engineering! Yes I mostly use 1 pedal driving.

 

[culo77]

Gonna take a lot of planning.

When I come out to my Model 3, it’s asking for 8A’s of power from the wall and it isn’t heating the battery. That’s 4A’s to either go to the battery or heat it. Or you’re sacrificing heating the cabin to charge/heat the battery.

When I come home and plug in my BMW i3 that was cold soaking at work and has reduced power because of it, I don't know how many amps it's asking for. All I know is next morning when I leave my cabin is toasty, the battery is 100 - 99%, and the battery is warm and max capacity. All off a level 1 charger.

no planning on my part.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

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[cyb3rdud3]

The i3 at 100% to 95% state of charge does not regen it uses the brakes. If you are 1 pedal driving it you will not notice a difference at all (darn German engineering). But in that % range if you do need to use the brake pedal you will notice it's "preloaded" and won't have any travel and bites right away. This is because the car was already using the brakes to slow you down like the regen feels.

Cool, I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Well, there has been a fair share of challenges in Chicago, the Out of Spec Reviews YouTube channel did a fascinating video about it as to what actually happened there as it was a bit out of band. Kyle, as ever, appeared fair and realistic in my opinion. I like that gentleman and his friends.

But...Forget about Chicago, or Alaska, or Norway, those of us in the UK got a whole new challenge. I kid you not, this is the meteorology office forecast. I wonder how my EV responds to being double-fisted, heck what about me 🤪

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1747902772941299884

 

[Apple fanboy]

Well, there has been a fair share of challenges in Chicago, the Out of Spec Reviews YouTube channel did a fascinating video about it as to what actually happened there as it was a bit out of band. Kyle, as ever, appeared fair and realistic in my opinion. I like that gentleman and his friends.

But...Forget about Chicago, or Alaska, or Norway, those of us in the UK got a whole new challenge. I kid you not, this is the meteorology office forecast. I wonder how my EV responds to being double-fisted, heck what about me 🤪

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1747902772941299884

Due to a lack of tailpipe our EV’s will be fine. Those ICE drivers might have to worry though!
😀

-7.5 this morning as I drove in. Just finished charging. Think I might set my departure time to warm it up for the return journey!

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Due to a lack of tailpipe our EV’s will be fine. Those ICE drivers might have to worry though!
😀

Good point well made

-7.5 this morning as I drove in. Just finished charging. Think I might set my departure time to warm it up for the return journey!

That is a huge advantage. Also if unfortunately stuck waiting in traffic, the ability to keep everything running for ages, not use much energy at all (despite what the anti-ev brigades says), and not polluting whilst doing so, I find actually rather comforting.

 

[culo77]

Well, there has been a fair share of challenges in Chicago, the Out of Spec Reviews YouTube channel did a fascinating video about it as to what actually happened there as it was a bit out of band. Kyle, as ever, appeared fair and realistic in my opinion. I like that gentleman and his friends.

Technically Kyle didn’t film this in Chicago, it was in north west suburbs Nile/Skokie/lincolnwood

Personally I don’t enjoy Kyle’s videos but this one is spot on.

Edit: Kyle did visit the NW side of Chicago and was at the sauganash Whole Foods EVGO. That station always has 2 chargers broken.

 

[I7guy]

When I come home and plug in my BMW i3 that was cold soaking at work and has reduced power because of it, I don't know how many amps it's asking for. All I know is next morning when I leave my cabin is toasty, the battery is 100 - 99%, and the battery is warm and max capacity. All off a level 1 charger.

no planning on my part.

The planning part is if one doesn’t have a l2 charger.

I’m with you though. When I leave in the am, my battery is fully charged, the steering wheel and seats are hot and the temperature is a balmy 70f. No planning, just an option in the UI.

 

[quagmire]

The planning part is if one doesn’t have a l2 charger.

I’m with you though. When I leave in the am, my battery is fully charged, the steering wheel and seats are hot and the temperature is a balmy 70f. No planning, just an option in the UI.

Which he doesn't have. He has level 1 charging( 120V). It does not supply enough power to warm the battery, charge the battery, and warm the cabin at the same time.

 

[AhmetRyzen]

Continuation from 2005 1.3 Opel Corsa with exhaust and software. I won't drive if I have to, but I will never drive an electric car.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Continuation from 2005 1.3 Opel Corsa with exhaust and software. I won't drive if I have to, but I will never drive an electric car.

Your lose. Depending on where you live you may find you have no choice at some point.

 

[AhmetRyzen]

Your lose. Depending on where you live you may find you have no choice at some point.

There is excessive incentive for electric cars here. Tax cuts are huge. But we only like gasoline, diesel, LPG and LNG. Is there a car without an exhaust sound?

 

[arc of the universe]

for me, living in a cold winter climate, electric cars would need to be able to hold their charge better than they are currently able to.
getting 19.2 km per litre now with a wonderfully reliable hybrid engine in my 4WD SUV, with its 19cm of ground clearance in the snow.

 

[AhmetRyzen]

I think electric cars are currently failing. Cold and hot weather conditions, ridiculously rugged environments, charging time is terrible. They give Porsche Taycan a range of 400 km, but it barely goes 270 km. We are currently in winter, the temperature has dropped to -20° in the central parts of the country. Batteries are freezing, there are many stranded vehicles. Also, in a mountainous place like Anatolia, there are extremely steep slopes. These knock out both gasoline cars and electric cars. Charging time is a fiasco in itself. If we say that it takes 50 minutes for the battery of an average electric car to go from empty to full, we can reach our destination on foot. Also, batteries emit radiation. Our people are afraid of radiation and cannot enter the MRI machine. Should they ride in an electric car?

 

[sunapple]

Interesting BMW i5 M60 review from Harry Metcalfe

His comments, I think, are not against EVs in general (he praises the old i3 for example) but more about poor design choices that do seem to be trending in some modern cars. Price, interior quality and ergonomics, weight, range... 10% loss of energy when charging per his recordings. I would agree this particular car seems like a bad deal. Maybe a byproduct of trying to design a car the supports every drive train from diesel to hybrid and full EV.

 

[Apple fanboy]

There is excessive incentive for electric cars here. Tax cuts are huge. But we only like gasoline, diesel, LPG and LNG. Is there a car without an exhaust sound?

Personally I prefer my silent running and zero exhaust fumes.

 

[Apple fanboy]

for me, living in a cold winter climate, electric cars would need to be able to hold their charge better than they are currently able to.
getting 19.2 km per litre now with a wonderfully reliable hybrid engine in my 4WD SUV, with its 19cm of ground clearance in the snow.

Indeed. They simply can’t work in the cold. Well apart from Norway with 80% adoption?
Personally the slight loss of range is worth all the other benefits. It really doesn’t effect me.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Interesting BMW i5 M60 review from Harry Metcalfe

His comments, I think, are not against EVs in general (he praises the old i3 for example) but more about poor design choices that do seem to be trending in some modern cars. Price, interior quality and ergonomics, weight, range... 10% loss of energy when charging per his recordings. I would agree this particular car seems like a bad deal. Maybe a byproduct of trying to design a car the supports every drive train from diesel to hybrid and full EV.

Not watched the video but I agree re the big heavy poor design choices. BMW got its spot on with the i3.
Lightweight, EV designed from the floor up. Plus it’s very unique!
Planning to keep mine for a long long time.

 

[sunapple]

Not watched the video but I agree re the big heavy poor design choices. BMW got its spot on with the i3.
Lightweight, EV designed from the floor up. Plus it’s very unique!
Planning to keep mine for a long long time.

I'm a fan of the i3, shame they don't make them anymore. His point in the comparison was that the i5 is now a 5+ meter car but that does not translate into any extra interior space or even a frunk. And the i3 launched 11 years ago, the 5 series is brand new.

Here's hoping for BMW at least Neu Klasse will bring back good design (looks promising).

 

[jz0309]

I'm a fan of the i3, shame they don't make them anymore. His point in the comparison was that the i5 is now a 5+ meter car but that does not translate into any extra interior space or even a frunk. And the i3 launched 11 years ago, the 5 series is brand new.

Here's hoping for BMW at least Neu Klasse will bring back good design (looks promising).

Unfortunately the focus of most traditional carmakers is on high-end and presumably high margin EVs, hope that will change in the years to come… in the USA, $30 EVs are hard to come by.

 

[jz0309]

I think electric cars are currently failing. Cold and hot weather conditions, ridiculously rugged environments, charging time is terrible. They give Porsche Taycan a range of 400 km, but it barely goes 270 km. We are currently in winter, the temperature has dropped to -20° in the central parts of the country. Batteries are freezing, there are many stranded vehicles. Also, in a mountainous place like Anatolia, there are extremely steep slopes. These knock out both gasoline cars and electric cars. Charging time is a fiasco in itself. If we say that it takes 50 minutes for the battery of an average electric car to go from empty to full, we can reach our destination on foot. Also, batteries emit radiation. Our people are afraid of radiation and cannot enter the MRI machine. Should they ride in an electric car?

Well, it is unheard of that 12V batteries fail in the cold, I give you that /s

EVs are not best suited for all places, that’s true, but for the vast majority of people they are just fine. All the current “news” about EVs “failing” in the cold are mostly FUD, they work fine for people in cold climates that are paying attention to limitations.

And re your comment about radiation - provide a source and data that it is a concern please. To me it is just as the folks saying that about mobile phones… FUD