Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[The-Real-Deal82]

Not in the US. And every charger for EVs should be taxed. Infrastructure does not pay for itself.

We are already paying for the infrastructure as councils pay for it out of their budgets and private companies supply sites too where a premium is already charged. If they make it comparable in cost or more expensive to run an electric vehicle, what is the incentive for motorists to even move to it?

As running an ICE vehicle becomes more and more expensive as fuel duty is increased, emissions taxes rise etc, why are you keen for future technologies to be priced out before you even move to it, or are forced to? It seems like your talking yourself into paying more rather than taking the pro consumer approach.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I never said the whole EV pipeline, but we both know that would include fossil fuel.
My input is merely limited to EV charging stations properly collecting revenue to support the rising cost of infrastructure as well as removing financial breaks of buying and maintaining an EV.

It is also worth noting that most EV drivers charge at home and use charging stations for ocassional charges on longer drives. Are you happy to pay more for your domestic electricity as a result too?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I’m open to that. How much subsidy is there to purchase a gasoline vehicle? What are the tax breaks on using gasoline vehicles?

Why would there be a subsidy on an ICE vehicle? The idea is to push people towards buying greener forms of transport, which is why fuel duty is due to increase, annual emissions tax is going up and in some countries they are introducing pay by the mile and clean air zones to charge people more taking these types of vehicles into cities.

They are not trying to make it cheaper to own an ICE vehicle, they are trying to make it as expensive as possible to put you off buying them and using them less. It might be worth reading up on this a bit mate as your question seems to be lacking the understanding of how and why vehicles have been evolving over the past 10 to 15 years.

 

[GrayFlannel]

We are already paying for the infrastructure as councils pay for it out of their budgets and private companies supply sites too where a premium is already charged. If they make it comparable in cost or more expensive to run an electric vehicle, what is the incentive for motorists to even move to it?

As running an ICE vehicle becomes more and more expensive as fuel duty is increased, emissions taxes rise etc, why are you keen for future technologies to be priced out before you even move to it, or are forced to? It seems like your talking yourself into paying more rather than taking the pro consumer approach.

Gasoline contains fees for infrastructure costs.
Infrastructure costs are rising and the fees generated has decreased.
EV needs to share in those. That’s all.

It is also worth noting that most EV drivers charge at home and use charging stations for ocassional charges on longer drives. Are you happy to pay more for your domestic electricity as a result too?

At home chargers need to be metered so the infrastructure fees are assessed and collected.

Why would there be a subsidy on an ICE vehicle? The idea is to push people towards buying greener forms of transport…

There should be no subsidy on purchasing vehicles that use fossil fuel.

The idea is to push people towards buying greener forms of transport…

That’s a fair and reasonable concern, but also a paradox.

 

[Euroamerican]

The real plan is to push the lower and middle class out of private vehicles altogether. YOU should not be doing anything other riding public transportation. Only the elite will be able to go where they want.

 

[diamond.g]

At home chargers need to be metered so the infrastructure fees are assessed and collected.

I already pay taxes on home energy use, why should I be double taxed if I am charging my EV?

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Gasoline contains fees for infrastructure costs.
Infrastructure costs are rising and the fees generated has decreased.
EV needs to share in those. That’s all.


At home chargers need to be metered so the infrastructure fees are assessed and collected.



There should be no subsidy on purchasing vehicles that use fossil fuel.



That’s a fair and reasonable concern, but also a paradox.

What do you mean by infrastructure costs, and that they are rising? Surely the operators of the charging stations will take that into account on how they get return on investment? And they are the ones that buy in the electricity from their suppliers.

 

[GrayFlannel]

I already pay taxes on home energy use, why should I be double taxed if I am charging my EV?

Fossil fuel users pay energy use at home too.
Revenue generated for roadway infrastructure maintenance is applied at the source of its consumption.

I am not anti-EV. At another time in my life I might consider one. Otherwise my only point is the cost for roadway infrastructure is skyrocketing and there looks to be a gap with EVs.

 

[I7guy]

I never said the whole EV pipeline, but we both know that would include fossil fuel.
My input is merely limited to EV charging stations properly collecting revenue to support the rising cost of infrastructure as well as removing financial breaks of buying and maintaining an EV.

Seems like cherry picking to me.

 

[GrayFlannel]

What do you mean by infrastructure costs, and that they are rising?

Roads and bridges, etc..

 

[GrayFlannel]

Seems like cherry picking to me.

I don’t understand what‘s being cherry picked.

 

[I7guy]

Roads and bridges, etc..

It’s already happening via higher registration costs.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Roads and bridges, etc..

What has that to do with EV charging stations? Why target EV electricity consumption for that? I don't understand.

 

[diamond.g]

Fossil fuel users pay energy use at home too.
Revenue generated for roadway infrastructure maintenance is applied at the source of its consumption.

I am not anti-EV. At another time in my life I might consider one. Otherwise my only point is the cost for roadway infrastructure is skyrocketing and there looks to be a gap with EVs.

As @I7guy has stated I also pay more than my fair share of road usage taxes to register my EV. (as do most EV drivers with states that mandate an EV fee for registration).

 

[cyb3rdud3]

It’s already happening via higher registration costs.

As @I7guy has stated I also pay more than my fair share of road usage taxes to register my EV. (as do most EV drivers with states that mandate an EV fee for registration).

Yes, same around the world, with some nuances like in the UK the money collected isn't ring-fenced for highways anyway. And in most countries they use that kind of a levy/registration/tax to en/dis-courage some behaviour or not. And that changes over time.

 

[jz0309]

Fossil fuel users pay energy use at home too.
Revenue generated for roadway infrastructure maintenance is applied at the source of its consumption.

I am not anti-EV. At another time in my life I might consider one. Otherwise my only point is the cost for roadway infrastructure is skyrocketing and there looks to be a gap with EVs.

Don’t know where you are located, but here in the US some states are charging EVs higher registration fees to offset the “tax losses” at the fuel pump, and more states are joining that

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Gasoline contains fees for infrastructure costs.
Infrastructure costs are rising and the fees generated has decreased.
EV needs to share in those. That’s all.


At home chargers need to be metered so the infrastructure fees are assessed and collected.



There should be no subsidy on purchasing vehicles that use fossil fuel.



That’s a fair and reasonable concern, but also a paradox.

Infrastructure costs are captured through taxes, for example our roads are funded through council tax and grants. EV owners pay for these as well as ICE vehicle owners. Do petroleum companies donate money to maintain our roads then? They certainly don’t where I live.

Home chargers are metered as is all the electricity we use in our homes. Not sure what you mean to be honest?

 

[GrayFlannel]

It’s already happening via higher registration costs.

Marginal increase in some vehicle registrations does not replace the excise revenue.
Can we all agree that infrastructure costs needs addressed? As we eliminate fossil fuel vehicles that burden will naturally shift to EVs.

 

[GrayFlannel]

What has that to do with EV charging stations? Why target EV electricity consumption for that? I don't understand.

Sorry I don’t understand your confusion. Maybe post 6093 helps?

 

[GrayFlannel]

As @I7guy has stated I also pay more than my fair share of road usage taxes to register my EV. (as do most EV drivers with states that mandate an EV fee for registration).

At a glance it looks like the most EV fee in the US is roughly $200. Currently EV and hybrid owners play less in combined registration and gasoline fees than fossil fuel users. It is not about fairness or unfairness. EV owners, which will soon be us all, will have to pay higher fees. Some numbers I’m seeing is a hike in the neighborhood of 30% per year in.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Marginal increase in some vehicle registrations does not replace the excise revenue.
Can we all agree that infrastructure costs needs addressed? As we eliminate fossil fuel vehicles that burden will naturally shift to EVs.

But as we all shift to EV’s the government will have more money due to spending less on medical expenses for example. It has been proven that improving air quality improves health.
Reducing the number of ICE cars on the road is why they have been paying rebates on EV’s etc.
Why did you think governments were trying to push EV’s?

 

[GrayFlannel]

Infrastructure costs are captured through taxes, for example our roads are funded through council tax and grants. EV owners pay for these as well as ICE vehicle owners. Do petroleum companies donate money to maintain our roads then? They certainly don’t where I live.

Home chargers are metered as is all the electricity we use in our homes. Not sure what you mean to be honest?

I don’t know where you live but it is irrelevant. I don’t know a country on this planet that does not add fees at the fossil fuel pump. That revenue will need to be replaced when fossil fuel vehicles disappear..

 

[GrayFlannel]

Why did you think governments were trying to push EV’s?

Energy crisis and to protect the planet.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I actually have the camera rear mirror in my Bolt EUV nd I love it, way easier to keep clean

That's different than ONLY having a camera rear view mirror and no window at all
(I have a Bolt also btw)

There are many times I like to look out the back window (or in the back window) that have nothing to do with sitting in the drivers seat and seeing what's behind me

 

[I7guy]

Marginal increase in some vehicle registrations does not replace the excise revenue.

Government needs to figure it out. Alternative fuels including hydrogen are already here. Maybe they’ll charge per mile, I don’t know.

Can we all agree that infrastructure costs needs addressed?

They already are. If you think the registration fee is too low , work out the calculations, it may not be.

As we eliminate fossil fuel vehicles that burden will naturally shift to EVs.

Right and the federal excise tax for gasoline (not counting diesel, tobacco, alcohol, etc) yearly can be less than the registration. But sure in NYS about .80/gallon is taxed above and beyond the federal excise tax.