To be fair you need to include the federal gasoline tax that an RV owner will not be paying. That adds $0.181 per gallon so in your scenario that makes the gasoline tax would be $148.
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Sure. I did mention I didn't include it. But even if it was $148 per year, I pay more than that in additional taxes for the added electricity for charging (plus taxes collected for Supercharing/L2 3rd party charging).
NY does charge reg fees based off of vehicle weight and vehicle age. So, they already account for the added weight of vehicles (be it ICE that is as heavy as EVs or EVs that weigh more than ICE).
The state is collecting the money, one way or another. They need to figure out how move it around. Or charge a higher tax on public charging to make up for it. Figure it out. But we are paying, just in different ways.
Not to derail
This is perhaps the most important point. I have read from various sources that the vast majority of wear and damage is due to weight here in the US, and that trucking is explicitly to blame. I have no numbers, but assume that most of the rest of the world relies much less on trucking for freight, and suffers less road and bridge damage accordingly.
This points to the problem that yes, while much of road funding comes from fuel tax, we the car drivers (regardless of type) are subsidizing freight overheads.
The notion that EVs weigh slightly more is not a valid concern compared to commercial trucking weights. The real dilemma is how to change to a more fair system, so that wear/damage is not subsidized by cars...either ICE or EV.
I keep looking at EV ... was looking at the Fiat 500e ... but then I saw this one:
Trouble is, I would have to move to Europe to buy it.
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Trouble is, I would have to move to Europe to buy it.
At least you wouldn’t have to worry about the adapter, CCS vs NACSI keep looking at EV ... was looking at the Fiat 500e ... but then I saw this one:
Smart #1 and Smart #3 First Drive Review: #ForgetWhatYouKnowAboutSmart #TotalRethink
Products of a joint venture between Mercedes-Benz and Geely Automotive, the Smart #1 and Smart #3 represent a radical shift for the city car brand.www.motortrend.com
Trouble is, I would have to move to Europe to buy it.
It’s a GeelyI keep looking at EV ... was looking at the Fiat 500e ... but then I saw this one:
Smart #1 and Smart #3 First Drive Review: #ForgetWhatYouKnowAboutSmart #TotalRethink
Products of a joint venture between Mercedes-Benz and Geely Automotive, the Smart #1 and Smart #3 represent a radical shift for the city car brand.www.motortrend.com
Trouble is, I would have to move to Europe to buy it.
can’t go wrong with them. I haven’t driven a bad car from Polestar, Volvo, Lotus, Zeekr. A very good platform, good UI integration with AAOS. Highly recommended.Volvo is revising their plan to only sell EV by 2030. Apparently they were on track to go electric but the market, infrastructure, and consumer acceptance are not yet adequate. The market has
slowed globally due to battery-powered cars costing about 20-30% more than fossil fuel vehicles along with tariffs and countries abruptly ending their subsidies for EV purchases.
slowed globally due to battery-powered cars costing about 20-30% more than fossil fuel vehicles along with tariffs and countries abruptly ending their subsidies for EV purchases.
And that is government in action with direct concequences. Previously new vehicle sales had to be zero emissions, but many government somehow (my guess is lobby groups) thought that 6 years isn't enough for new car sales. A shame, a shame for the planet, a shame for next generations.
People aren't buying any new cars in the quantities they were 5 years ago, the entire car and transport industry is in deep decline. EV's are just one segment that are suffering as a result and it would be disingenuous to suggest they are the only sector.
There’s nothing disingenuous about Volvo explaining the reason they are revising their original plan to only sell EVs by 2030. Their decision is based on the EV market markers with nothing to do with non-EV cars. By the way, Volvo said they were on target to meet the 2030 goal but the EV market outlook was not favorable so they will redirect more resources to hybrid.
Volvo are still commited to EV's, they have just adjusted their time frame in line with other auto makers. A big problem is the general public believing every anti-EV article that is published on social media. It has been a powerful tool in creating myths and falsehoods and this has impacted 'customer acceptance' of the technology.
Fine by me though, we get to have the extra convenience and cheap running costs of running EV's a bit longer.
The ev market for legacy automakers, Volvo included, is problematic. Tesla the market leader by far doesn’t have hybrids and ice to fall back on. BEV sales are predicted to trend upwards in 2024.
Correct, Volvo remains completely committed to EV and merely explained the EV market isn’t what they hoped in order to continue their plan to go EV only by the end of the decade. Nothing anti-EV whatsoever, just noteworthy EV news. And btw, global car sales are respectable over 5 years (actually have gone up each year and 2024 looking better than 2019) despite difficult economic factors and going through the pandemic.
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Just a short note relating to the US roads and deterioration that's caused by traffic: vehicle weight (axle weight) is one of numerous factors in road deterioration. For example, the roads constructed for light traffic are usually found in neighborhoods and other areas of light traffic. These roads usually have traffic signs showing the permitted axle weights. Allowing haul trucks to be driven in these roads will certainly damage them. Haul and other very heavy trucks aren't permitted to be driven on roads that are designed for light traffic as I mentioned above.
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On the other side….
“EV sales have not fallen, cooled, slowed or slumped. Stop lying in headlines.”
EV sales have not fallen, cooled, slowed or slumped. Stop lying in headlines.
Electric car sales keep rising, even as headlines would have you believe otherwise. Gas car sales, however, actually *are* down.
electrek.co
LOL The news outlets are consistent around the world. Same old image of Tesla's, I'm surprised they haven't used the one's in a field. And of course, since when does Australia have left-hand drive Tesla's
And funnily enough always a 'news' site that has lots of advertising on the page, and dubious syndication at the bottom. Targetted normally at people who only read headlines and not articles. Pure clickbait, just look at the real figures and you'll see what is truly happening.One good thing about Tesla cars is that they aren't affected by depreciation as much as a lot of other brands EVs, at least in the US (no idea if it is the same in Europe). This is "a good read" about EV depreciation-if anybody is interested in knowing.
www.carparts.com
In the US, the "used" ICE vehicle market in 2023 and 2024 has been quite difficult for consumers who may want to buy an older vehicle, because some 2023 models cost as much or more than the same but 2024 model. For example, in Alaska the 2023 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road (new with a few miles) costs around $48,000 driven out the dealership, while the 2024 model costs around $52,000. Just recently I have been offered nearly as much for a 2013 Tundra TRD Off Road 5.7L truck than my oldest son paid in 2015 for it. It had around 20,000 miles when he bought it, and now it has a little over 91,000 miles. This is an 11 years truck.
Electric Vehicle Depreciation 101: Why Do EVs Lose Their Value Faster Than Gas Cars? - In The Garage with CarParts.com
Find out why electric vehicles lose their resale value faster than gas-powered vehicles and how EVs depreciate over the years.
www.carparts.com
In the US, the "used" ICE vehicle market in 2023 and 2024 has been quite difficult for consumers who may want to buy an older vehicle, because some 2023 models cost as much or more than the same but 2024 model. For example, in Alaska the 2023 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road (new with a few miles) costs around $48,000 driven out the dealership, while the 2024 model costs around $52,000. Just recently I have been offered nearly as much for a 2013 Tundra TRD Off Road 5.7L truck than my oldest son paid in 2015 for it. It had around 20,000 miles when he bought it, and now it has a little over 91,000 miles. This is an 11 years truck.
It is not materially different from any other car. What hasn't helped is that Tesla has made some significant retail price cuts. That immediately feeds into the used car market. It is just a buyer's market at the moment.One good thing about Tesla cars is that they aren't affected by depreciation as much as a lot of other brands EVs, at least in the US (no idea if it is the same in Europe). This is "a good read" about EV depreciation-if anybody is interested in knowing.
Electric Vehicle Depreciation 101: Why Do EVs Lose Their Value Faster Than Gas Cars? - In The Garage with CarParts.com
Find out why electric vehicles lose their resale value faster than gas-powered vehicles and how EVs depreciate over the years.
In the US, the "used" ICE vehicle market in 2023 and 2024 has been quite difficult for consumers who may want to buy an older vehicle, because some 2023 models cost as much or more than the same but 2024 model. For example, in Alaska the 2023 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road (new with a few miles) costs around $48,000 driven out the dealership, while the 2024 model costs around $52,000. Just recently I have been offered nearly as much for a 2013 Tundra TRD Off Road 5.7L truck than my oldest son paid in 2015 for it. It had around 20,000 miles when he bought it, and now it has a little over 91,000 miles. This is an 11 years truck.
Yep, it’s not that people don’t want EV’s in a significant number, it’s the tax penalties we now face and dealers holding off on selling due to quotas. Madness.
One good thing about Tesla cars is that they aren't affected by depreciation as much as a lot of other brands EVs, at least in the US (no idea if it is the same in Europe). This is "a good read" about EV depreciation-if anybody is interested in knowing.
Electric Vehicle Depreciation 101: Why Do EVs Lose Their Value Faster Than Gas Cars? - In The Garage with CarParts.com
Find out why electric vehicles lose their resale value faster than gas-powered vehicles and how EVs depreciate over the years.
In the US, the "used" ICE vehicle market in 2023 and 2024 has been quite difficult for consumers who may want to buy an older vehicle, because some 2023 models cost as much or more than the same but 2024 model. For example, in Alaska the 2023 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road (new with a few miles) costs around $48,000 driven out the dealership, while the 2024 model costs around $52,000. Just recently I have been offered nearly as much for a 2013 Tundra TRD Off Road 5.7L truck than my oldest son paid in 2015 for it. It had around 20,000 miles when he bought it, and now it has a little over 91,000 miles. This is an 11 years truck.
Teslas do depreciate at a fair rate here and perhaps inline with most other cars. They’ve flooded the EV market in the UK and made big discounts initially with sometimes £5k to £6k being knocked off the new price. This has meant they’ll lose about £15k in their first year and make better secondhand buys. I’ve also seen 2 year old Model 3’s here for around £20k with minimal miles on them. Tesla is generally the most popular EV here because they are cheap and offer a good experience.
All cars depreciate though, my wife’s car cost around £65k new is now a year old and probably worth around £40k.
Ours too, nothing worse than everything buried in a screen or everything voice activated. I hope manufacturers continue to keep physical buttons as I’ve driven some cars and something as small as the AC or heater is on a screen, in fact our last car was like that and it’s so distracting.