Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[Apple fanboy]

Stopped at a charger on the way to London. Ended up helping a fellow EV owner work out how to use them. I mean how hard is it? I end up doing this more often than not.

Anyway hotel has some new charges next door. Yay.

 

[timber]

Lack of familiarity.

I remember people putting gasoline instead of diesel and vice versa.

And while diesel on petrol is less irrelevant the opposite is not so true... And the latter has a much higher probability of happening.

 

[diamond.g]

Plug and Charge with no app required should have been a mandatory part of the spec. Would have been way better for everyone.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Plug and Charge with no app required should have been a mandatory part of the spec. Would have been way better for everyone.

Possibly, if they do something about pricing and price display before charging as well. I got to say that I've been across 9 countries in Europe and only once encountered an issue where my card didn't work. With petrol stations, it is not that different not all of them accept all cards nor payment systems either, same in supermarkets. If anything, I've found EV easier across Europe. Our Polestar came with a plugsurfing car that just works, as a second card I've got a octopus electroverse as some UK little villages in typical UK fashion decide to do things differently and I don't want to pay the tap to pay standard charges than can go over a pound a kilowatt.

 

[cosmichobo]

Wouldn't buy a Telsa now if you gave it to me...

(Ok, I would, but I'd get a bumper sticker for it so people knew it was under sufferance...)

 

[decafjava]

Wouldn't buy a Telsa now if you gave it to me...

(Ok, I would, but I'd get a bumper sticker for it so people knew it was under sufferance...)

I quite understand and feel the same, but I feel bad for the workforce at Tesla, I mean our "Doge" friend didn't invent, design or build this car himself...

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I quite understand and feel the same, but I feel bad for the workforce at Tesla, I mean our "Doge" friend didn't invent, design or build this car himself...

And whilst he is the largest individual shareholder, it is 'only' nearly 13%. But he acts, and goes around, and the doesn't matter whatsoever what is happening to the cars or him supporters, treat him like he is the owner. A major pensionfund stepped out (and also from other 'sweethearts' like Facebook). All a shame as just when Tesla is starting to produce cars I would find interesting, the new TMY Performance are a lot of rumuours about as well.

Tesla would do well to get rid of Musk. It is nothing yet what they are experiencing, and otherwise they'll end up like so many of the USA market vehicles, a domestic car only. Build and sold on the cycle of credit. It would be a shame as, as critical as I am, I only do that to the ones I like. You rarely hear me about Stellantis and the rubbish they churn out 👍 It is decision time.

 

[timber]

He probably has the board stuffed with his supporters so he can run it like he owns it.

And most shareholders probably don't care about anything other than Tesla's stock price.

Until they feel some pain nothing will happen.

 

[cosmichobo]

And whilst he is the largest individual shareholder, it is 'only' nearly 13%. But he acts, and goes around, and the doesn't matter whatsoever what is happening to the cars or him supporters, treat him like he is the owner. A major pensionfund stepped out (and also from other 'sweethearts' like Facebook). All a shame as just when Tesla is starting to produce cars I would find interesting, the new TMY Performance are a lot of rumuours about as well.

Tesla would do well to get rid of Musk. It is nothing yet what they are experiencing, and otherwise they'll end up like so many of the USA market vehicles, a domestic car only. Build and sold on the cycle of credit. It would be a shame as, as critical as I am, I only do that to the ones I like. You rarely hear me about Stellantis and the rubbish they churn out 👍 It is decision time.

Yes, I had a look into that... And indeed, he is not the majority shareholder of Telsa or SpaceX. He could be bought out of both. One can only hope.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Yes, I had a look into that... And indeed, he is not the majority shareholder of Telsa or SpaceX. He could be bought out of both. One can only hope.

I don't even think he has to be bought out. Just not be in his role whilst he is drawing negativity to the company and clearly focussed on another role. But I doubt it will happen.

 

[quagmire]

All this pretty much means I won't be replacing my Model 3 with another Tesla.

I am not going to go out and buy a new car just because of Musk. It's a silly financial decision to make. But at replacement time, I will likely go elsewhere.

 

[timber]

I'm on a similar standing. All in all I really like my Model 3, it's such a pleasure to own and use/drive.
It has certain shortcomings but for some reason I'm mostly fine with most of them. The car has that kind of Apple balance of leaving things out that you probably won't care (at least for me). And Tesla despite its quirkiness does seem to retain some capability to still listen to customers (exemple, the stalk returning in the new Y, the yoke that quietly disappeared).
I would still like some sort of driver display (it does annoy me that Tesla finds budget and time to put a screen in the back but none for the driver, the idiot that pays the whole thing). But it's not as bad as it sometimes made to be (you don't really need to know much beyond the speed) and the very good system in the central screen does soften things up.
What I can't get over is this whole Musk situation. And I pretty certain he won't relieve control of Tesla. Certainly without a (non literal) fight.
Selling the car out of spite is too much virtue signalling for me. My bank account can't afford that much virtuousness.

 

[icanhazmac]

Happily purchased my TMY last December and might buy another for wifey.

I might even order this for mine.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Happily purchased my TMY last December and might buy another for wifey.

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I might even order this for mine.

🤣🤣 I'd get a good covering of PPF on the car, and a bullet/flameproof vest

 

[icanhazmac]

🤣🤣 I'd get a good covering of PPF on the car, and a bullet/flameproof vest

Sadly, you might be right. "keep Summer safe" might come in handy.

 

[hobowankenobi]

At this point, I wonder if Tesla employees might hold more power than shareholders. As a Tesla driver, and a former shareholder, I am ready for Elon to move on. He has jumped the shark, and lost the script.

It might be simply wishful thinking, but I would not mind a mass strike, world-wide, by Tesla employees demanding he step down as CEO, or that the board to replaces him.

I am on the fence about buying another Tesla product; I don't want to support his current endeavors at all, but I also feel it is childish and short-sighted to punish the 100K+ Tesla employees for his poor judgment in other areas. I will only be buying EVs in the future, and would prefer them to be both US-built and best-in-class...which both the 3 and new Y currently are.

 

[cosmichobo]

Happily purchased my TMY last December and might buy another for wifey.

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I might even order this for mine.

And you're absolutely entitled to your opinion. Only about 1/3 people are feeling reluctant to buy Tesla/regretting their purchase. That's not even a majority. Of course, in dollar figures - I'd hate to be Musk right now.

 

[Apple fanboy]

And you're absolutely entitled to your opinion. Only about 1/3 people are feeling reluctant to buy Tesla/regretting their purchase. That's not even a majority. Of course, in dollar figures - I'd hate to be Musk right now.

Is the third based on the US market? It was more like two thirds in parts of Europe.

I’d hate to be Musk at any time!

 

[wonderings]

I am not going to buy or not buy a vehicle based on the head guys political stance or values. Is that the new thing to only buy from people who agree with your political views? Do we need in-depth looks into all the CEO's lives to make sure there is nothing morally abhorrent or disagreeable there?

 

[quagmire]

I am not going to buy or not buy a vehicle based on the head guys political stance or values. Is that the new thing to only buy from people who agree with your political views? Do we need in-depth looks into all the CEO's lives to make sure there is nothing morally abhorrent or disagreeable there?

Agree to an extent.

I still buy from Chick F La despite disagreeing with ownerships views politically/religiously.

But Musk's actions is so out there, it rises to the level of I don't feel like supporting him through buying Tesla's.

SpaceX is a different internal debate with me. But that may because supporting SpaceX is the fastest way to get Musk to leave the planet.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I am not going to buy or not buy a vehicle based on the head guys political stance or values. Is that the new thing to only buy from people who agree with your political views? Do we need in-depth looks into all the CEO's lives to make sure there is nothing morally abhorrent or disagreeable there?

I hear you, but we aren't talking about in-depth looks being necessary here. This is so far out there in the open that it makes it effortless. And it has been building up. The actions and interference are so far outside his area and jurisdiction that he has become a tall tree. And tall trees catch a lot of wind, so much so that I can't ignore it.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Speak with your wallet

It's the only lever we really have in modern society

 

[turbineseaplane]

I am not going to buy or not buy a vehicle based on the head guys political stance or values. Is that the new thing to only buy from people who agree with your political views? Do we need in-depth looks into all the CEO's lives to make sure there is nothing morally abhorrent or disagreeable there?

We all do this to some extent whether we realize it or not -- even if not based on "actual" values

Marketing partially exists for this exact reason.
They are selling us a feeling and/or some purported values (like "iPhone means Privacy")

Actual products are but one component of a sales pitch

None of us are exempt from this
Marketing is incredibly pervasive and effective

 

[A.Goldberg]

I am not going to buy or not buy a vehicle based on the head guys political stance or values. Is that the new thing to only buy from people who agree with your political views? Do we need in-depth looks into all the CEO's lives to make sure there is nothing morally abhorrent or disagreeable there?

Agreed. I think it’s a bit silly to get hung up on things like this, especially because in the case of Musk do you really think it’ll change what he’s doing- I don’t considering he was willing to get absolutely hosed buying Twitter. Keep in mind at this point he only owns 13% of the company these days. If you own Tesla stock, as many Tesla drivers do, better consider selling your stock before boycotting.

If you’re going to boycott a brand, at least don’t do it because of concern that it’ll “make you look like ____” (insert whatever stereotype you think applies). Because the reality is most people don’t care and if they do, that’s pretty shallow.

And think about all the stuff you buy that you don’t consider who owns the company. Or all the stuff that comes from authoritarian China.

I own a Volvo XC60. While my particular car was built in Sweden, Volvo is owned by Geely, a Chinese company. Would it be fair to assume that average Volvo owner and I must support Chinese Communist Party, human rights violations, etc?

And you know, plenty of battery minerals are extracted using extremely unethical labor practices and much of the supply chain involves China- whether it be the mines or refining facilities.

You can literally find a political or ethical reason not to buy anything.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Agreed. I think it’s a bit silly to get hung up on things like this, especially because in the case of Musk do you really think it’ll change what he’s doing- I don’t considering he was willing to get absolutely hosed buying Twitter. Keep in mind at this point he only owns 13% of the company these days. If you own Tesla stock, as many Tesla drivers do, better consider selling your stock before boycotting.

If you’re going to boycott a brand, at least don’t do it because of concern that it’ll “make you look like ____” (insert whatever stereotype you think applies). Because the reality is most people don’t care and if they do, that’s pretty shallow.

And think about all the stuff you buy that you don’t consider who owns the company. Or all the stuff that comes from authoritarian China.

I own a Volvo XC60. While my particular car was built in Sweden, Volvo is owned by Geely, a Chinese company. Would it be fair to assume that average Volvo owner and I must support Chinese Communist Party, human rights violations, etc?

And you know, plenty of battery minerals are extracted using extremely unethical labor practices and much of the supply chain involves China- whether it be the mines or refining facilities.

You can literally find a political or ethical reason not to buy anything.

Although you make some valid points the problem is Musk is (like it or not) a very visible head of Tesla. I have no idea who owns BMW (my car company) or what there views are.
Personally I’d not buy a Tesla because I don’t like the cars. But if they came out with something I did like, I’d not consider it currently.