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Yes. I think the point is, if the vehicle's UI automatically has your destination selected from the calendar integration, it makes not having CarPlay less of an issue. Still not perfect for the Podcast complaint that you, and @timber have. But one less issue in the cons of buying a vehicle without CarPlay/Android Auto.
Podcasts wasn’t me. I don’t listen to them. Apple Music or the radio here.

Let’s be honest nothing is perfect. Its just personal preference at the end of the day.
 
Yeah, a lot of these things are setup for the US market. Hey Siri works really well for a lot of the things where CarPlay may be needed. Since you are using voice for a lot of these things with CarPlay anyways, it makes CarPlay less of a need.

So, Tesla's voice commands support your native dialect, but Apple doesn't? I am shocked that the Tesla UI can understand you, while Apple doesn't. I think this is more of an issue than the lack of Tesla's WhatsApp integration.

*Unless Hey Siri uses different language recognition than standard iOS...
Yes, Tesla does support PT-PT, quite well, in fact, considering it's not really a voice assistant/AI/whatever. And of course, Google supports it also.

Things are what they are, one has to decide if there is enough value and carry on. After all it also seems many Americans aren't really in love with Siri :cool:.
 
Yes, Tesla does support PT-PT, quite well, in fact, considering it's not really a voice assistant/AI/whatever. And of course, Google supports it also.

Things are what they are, one has to decide if there is enough value and carry on. After all it also seems many Americans aren't really in love with Siri :cool:.

Does iOS support your dialect outside of Siri?

I love Siri, I use it ALL the time. I do not really have an accent being an American native English speaker who grew up overseas. It works 99% of the time for me.
 
Podcasts wasn’t me. I don’t listen to them. Apple Music or the radio here.

Let’s be honest nothing is perfect. Its just personal preference at the end of the day.

Oh, sorry. I thought it was you that I had a discussion here about problems with Podcast continuity when jumping from phone to vehicle with Apple Podcasts.

Someone said that they didn't like that it wouldn't pick up where they left off and this was their major issue with the lack of CarPlay. This makes sense, since they didn't want to use Bluetooth streaming from phone.
 
Does iOS support your dialect outside of Siri?

I love Siri, I use it ALL the time. I do not really have an accent being an American native English speaker who grew up overseas. It works 99% of the time for me.
Are you asking if the OS is translated? Yes, it is, both iOS and MacOS. There's also an official Apple representation (but no physical Apple stores).

It's worth mentioning that my dialect (as you call it :D) is the equivalent to British English, it's not really an underground variation of the language.
 
Are you asking if the OS is translated? Yes, it is, both iOS and MacOS. There's also an official Apple representation (but no physical Apple stores).

It's worth mentioning that my dialect (as you call it :D) is the equivalent to British English, it's not really an underground variation of the language.

I am asking if the regular voice assistance (when you touch the microphone in a text box) understands you. I am trying to identify if Hey Siri has different voice interpretation versus the regular iOS.

British English is a Dialect, as I understand it, just like American English (I would call the spoken word within each nation sub-dialects).
 
I am mostly very happy with Tesla software and I do prefer the built in approach (EVs do favor built in for reasons I find self explanatory).

There are two main lines of improvement regarding my regular use, podcasts and messages.

If you are happy with Apple podcasts features just move along, I find it a bit under whelming regarding my needs. Perhaps Spotify is better for podcasts but I use Apple one which I consider a great deal if you like the ATV+/Music combo (I do) and I won't subscribe anything more. I end using BT for that and with Tesla mapping BT as an input source I find it OK and an almost non issue. I would still prefer to have a full featured podcast app. It's not as bad as unfortunately I'm beyond 40. Getting old mostly sucks, I would take all my wisdom and being 18 (I'm European, I don't need to be 21). One thing it sucks is near-sight and the ability to focus fast in and out so I usually prefer to set things up and then drive. Having a fully featured app with lots of small hit boxes to tinker is not that useful (or safe).

What's wrong with Messages you may ask? Well, it shows Tesla's US origin and something they should consider expanding. Messages is borderline useless in Europe and I just don't have the energy, age or (more important) clout to start a technology crusade among my contacts against WhatsApp. For some reason the car does take seamless WhatsApp calls and for some other reason some people do use that despite minutes being an almost free commodity and 5G/LTE/whatever connectivity being also almost completely ubiquitous around here. What the car doesn't do is accept WhatsApp messages or even notifications and I would really like that even as a plain notification (when I drive, I drive, but just knowing someone messaged would be nice to check after parking).

For the moment I don't mind paying Tesla Premium connectivity because it does have some cool features. I would probably keep it with CP (or the analogue AP) but it certainly weights on Tesla decision to keep it blocked.

Tesla certainly has the base system and the size to add an App Store. That would certainly the a sweet addiction.
The root of the problem is that WhatsApp is an app, centralized and not core infrastructure. Sadly it has become so popular within Europe and I really don’t get why. It’s terrible. But like you, it’s a battle that has already been lost. So I don’t fight it either. Still don’t like it though. But the issue is that it’s not standards compliant. It’s a proprietary software. Too few people seem to realize that.
 
The root of the problem is that WhatsApp is an app, centralized and not core infrastructure. Sadly it has become so popular within Europe and I really don’t get why. It’s terrible. But like you, it’s a battle that has already been lost. So I don’t fight it either. Still don’t like it though. But the issue is that it’s not standards compliant. It’s a proprietary software. Too few people seem to realize that.

I don't like it either, but it allows for really large file transfers between different carriers/phone brand. The ever-going green bubbles vs blue bubbles when sending messages in iOS.

I am in a group with my son's daycare. The teachers share pictures of our children at school. They have no issues with identifying what phone type the parents all have.
 
I don't like it either, but it allows for really large file transfers between different carriers/phone brand. The ever-going green bubbles vs blue bubbles when sending messages in iOS.

I am in a group with my son's daycare. The teachers share pictures of our children at school. They have no issues with identifying what phone type the parents all have.
Off topic I know, but am I being thick? What difference does it make if you are messaging an iPhone or other device? Why would that be any concern?
 
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I don't like it either, but it allows for really large file transfers between different carriers/phone brand. The ever-going green bubbles vs blue bubbles when sending messages in iOS.
I never understand why anyone would want to use a short message platform to transfer large files 🤷‍♂️
I am in a group with my son's daycare. The teachers share pictures of our children at school. They have no issues with identifying what phone type the parents all have.
Neither would it if they popped it in a shared album either Apple Photos or Google Photos can do that free of charge. . Or use RCS, but that is relatively recent.
 
Off topic I know, but am I being thick? What difference does it make if you are messaging an iPhone or other device? Why would that be any concern?
With normal SMS, that would turn the message into an MMS. These are normally not included in the standard plans people have, and thus incur additional costs. And get compressed a lot, and is cumbersome to use. Nowadays, we also have RCS, which makes it easy.
 
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I never understand why anyone would want to use a short message platform to transfer large files 🤷‍♂️

Neither would it if they popped it in a shared album either Apple Photos or Google Photos can do that free of charge. . Or use RCS, but that is relatively recent.

It does very well with large file transfers. I sent about 30 DSLR pictures I took at a birthday party to another parent (each picture being 15 MB jpg), a LOT easier than trying to create a new album or Google Photos when I have everything in Apple. I can communicate and share the pictures.

The teachers do not all have Apple devices, so Apple Photos albums is out (for android users posting), and Google Photos isn’t as easy as everything being linked by the users phone numbers. They share more than pictures, they send class updates via Whatsapp. So it is a one stop shop for communication, file/picture sharing.

So I get how people would like it in tandem with or in place of the vehicle’s SMS/MMS functionality.
 
It does very well with large file transfers. I sent about 30 DSLR pictures I took at a birthday party to another parent (each picture being 15 MB jpg), a LOT easier than trying to create a new album or Google Photos when I have everything in Apple. I can communicate and share the pictures.
As easy as just sharing your Apple Photos Album :) That kind of sharing is agnostic on the device the recipient/invitee uses.
The teachers do not all have Apple devices, so Apple Photos albums is out (for android users posting), and Google Photos isn’t as easy as everything being linked by the users phone numbers. They share more than pictures, they send class updates via Whatsapp. So it is a one stop shop for communication, file/picture sharing.
Nope, you can share albums, no problem.
So I get how people would like it in tandem with or in place of the vehicle’s SMS/MMS functionality.
It is a proprietary system by one of the big tech companies, not standards compliant. That is the big problem with it. But granted it is cheap (doesn't that make us the product...) and portrays to do what users think they want.
 
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As easy as just sharing your Apple Photos Album :) That kind of sharing is agnostic on the device the recipient/invitee uses.

Yes, but it becomes very difficult when you want to share specific photos and not the entire album and do so across many friends/family/classmates/students. Managing so many different albums vs just messaging the specific to the users you want, and being done.

I loaded all pictures to my phone, and shared pictures with 4 different parents. The host parents got all those pictures, I shared pictures of 3 parents own kids. So, either I would have to create 4 albums OR individually share each picture within an album. With Whatsapp, I just selected the photos I wanted to share and sent them as 4 different messages. Done. Much easier. Agnostic to phone OS.

It is much easier.

Nope, you can share albums, no problem.

As above.

It is a proprietary system by one of the big tech companies, not standards compliant. That is the big problem with it. But granted it is cheap (doesn't that make us the product...) and portrays to do what users think they want.

I agree, but it actually works, there are billions of Whatsapp users (Google claims nearly 3 billion users), I wouldn't say it is what they "think" they want. If it didn't work well, or required more steps, it wouldn't be as successful as it is.

I will leave it at that. Interesting side convo.
 
Yes, but it becomes very difficult when you want to share specific photos and not the entire album and do so across many friends/family/classmates/students. Managing so many different albums vs just messaging the specific to the users you want, and being done.

I loaded all pictures to my phone, and shared pictures with 4 different parents. The host parents got all those pictures, I shared pictures of 3 parents own kids. So, either I would have to create 4 albums OR individually share each picture within an album. With Whatsapp, I just selected the photos I wanted to share and sent them as 4 different messages. Done. Much easier. Agnostic to phone OS.

It is much easier.



As above.



I agree, but it actually works, there are billions of Whatsapp users (Google claims nearly 3 billion users), I wouldn't say it is what they "think" they want. If it didn't work well, or required more steps, it wouldn't be as successful as it is.

I will leave it at that. Interesting side convo.
I mentioned that they 'think' they want, which was actually about this thread, as relevant. As that is how this side conversation came to fruition. Yes the app works'ish, the desktop apps are terrible, not feature aligned with the mobile apps at all, the themes are horrible, backup and saving doesn't work well, scammers thrive and can't be controlled. But yes, lots of people use it. But then complain about other things, like scammers, like the lack of in case integration, there is also no legal standing of messages that arrive or not, and the list goes on. Those are the consequences of going with a hack that circumvents standards compliance where those standards were there for a reason.
 
I mentioned that they 'think' they want, which was actually about this thread, as relevant. As that is how this side conversation came to fruition. Yes the app works'ish, the desktop apps are terrible, not feature aligned with the mobile apps at all, the themes are horrible, backup and saving doesn't work well, scammers thrive and can't be controlled. But yes, lots of people use it. But then complain about other things, like scammers, like the lack of in case integration, there is also no legal standing of messages that arrive or not, and the list goes on. Those are the consequences of going with a hack that circumvents standards compliance where those standards were there for a reason.

I see, makes sense. I have never touched the desktop app, didn't even realize there was one (not sure why I wouldn't have thought to look for one). I have gotten spam/bot messages in the past. Not many, but I have.

I will note that lately I have been getting a lot of unsolicited iOS spam/bot messages lately (not green bubble SMS, but actual iMessages). My wife too. We hit the report button, but even iOS has its issues.
 
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Oh dear, this won't help Tesla sales. On-street advertising in London...

 
Kia are absolutely killing it in my opinion. Them going together with Hyundai is producing magic.

The EV6 is great, the EV9 is amazing value and a really good car. Then the EV3 came out and is well received (but I haven't seen it nor driven myself). And now the EV4 in both saloon and hatch configuration. I think it looks great, is build on a very good EV platform, and fills a nice place in the range.

 
Kia are absolutely killing it in my opinion. Them going together with Hyundai is producing magic.

The EV6 is great, the EV9 is amazing value and a really good car. Then the EV3 came out and is well received (but I haven't seen it nor driven myself). And now the EV4 in both saloon and hatch configuration. I think it looks great, is build on a very good EV platform, and fills a nice place in the range.

I was thinking about an X or Cybertruck but that wont happen anymore. I do wish they would come out with an electric GV80, that would be a great EV car.
 
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I was thinking about an X or Cybertruck but that wont happen anymore. I do wish they would come out with an electric GV80, that would be a great EV car.
In the US there already is an Electrified G80, cleverly called the Electrified G80. I’ve driven a 2024 but didn’t buy because of the very uncomfortable and small rear seating and ridiculously tiny trunk space. For 2025 there is both an electric G80 (sedan) and GV80 (SUV) though I don’t think these have made it to the dealerships yet.
 
I was thinking about an X or Cybertruck but that wont happen anymore. I do wish they would come out with an electric GV80, that would be a great EV car.
I own a model 3 and although it’s my favorite car I’ve ever owned, I won’t buy another Tesla. It’s really too bad because I think both the new 3 and the new Y are best in class (S, X, and CT are good too but more easily matched or surpassed by offerings from Lucid and Rivian), but I can no longer be party to what Musk is doing.

For a long time I subscribed to the theory that buying a car is not an endorsement of the CEO’s politics. This is probably the first time I’ve ever based a buying decision on the politics of the company much less its CEO. But Musk has gone so far towards destroying America that the thought of being tied to him in any way just turns my stomach at this point.
 
I own a model 3 and although it’s my favorite car I’ve ever owned, I won’t buy another Tesla. It’s really too bad because I think both the new 3 and the new Y are best in class (S, X, and CT are good too but more easily matched or surpassed by offerings from Lucid and Rivian), but I can no longer be party to what Musk is doing.

For a long time I subscribed to the theory that buying a car is not an endorsement of the CEO’s politics. This is probably the first time I’ve ever based a buying decision on the politics of the company much less its CEO. But Musk has gone so far towards destroying America that the thought of being tied to him in any way just turns my stomach at this point.
So many share your thoughts. Especially in Europe looking at the sales figures for this year. Never has a man done more to destroy his brand.
Very odd behaviour.

I watched a video yesterday about how people are treating people who work for or drive a Tesla. Very disappointing that people are linking the two. If you purchased a Tesla a couple of years back, you probably aren’t in a position to just sell it because of the things the CEO is saying.

However like you many have made the decision to buy a different brand next time.
 
So many share your thoughts. Especially in Europe looking at the sales figures for this year. Never has a man done more to destroy his brand.
Very odd behaviour.

I watched a video yesterday about how people are treating people who work for or drive a Tesla. Very disappointing that people are linking the two. If you purchased a Tesla a couple of years back, you probably aren’t in a position to just sell it because of the things the CEO is saying.

However like you many have made the decision to buy a different brand next time.
Strongly agreed, nothing against the people working there. People driving them, well you know 😈👺🤣.

From a company perspective, surely they know what to do, plenty of signals that Elon Musk cannot continue to be their CEO. And that isn't something that is recent either, and has been a topic at numerous board meetings, but he remains to have majority support. Hence, some major investors stepping out, people not buying the products like they used to. It doesn't make business sense to continue like that, especially not considering he is focussed on other things. But it seems like we are living in times where reality has become irrelevant and 'reality tv' is the new reality. So I'll be amazed when/if it happens.
 
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Strongly agreed, nothing against the people working there. People driving them, well you know 😈👺🤣.

From a company perspective, surely they know what to do, plenty of signals that Elon Musk cannot continue to be their CEO. And that isn't something that is recent either, and has been a topic at numerous board meetings, but he remains to have majority support. Hence, some major investors stepping out, people not buying the products like they used to. It doesn't make business sense to continue like that, especially not considering he is focussed on other things. But it seems like we are living in times where reality has become irrelevant and 'reality tv' is the new reality. So I'll be amazed when/if it happens.
I suspect that Tesla is kind of stuck with Musk. He has packed the board with supporters and relatives. If they managed to get a vote to oust him, he will certainly turn on the company and do whatever he can to kill them. He is that vindictive and he currently has a lot of power. I could see him turning fully anti-EV at the least.
 
However like you many have made the decision to buy a different brand next time.
My 2022 Tesla Model 3 was totaled in a (actually fairly minor) accident back in September. Insurance company determined it was too expensive to repair and they wrote the whole thing off. Fortunately, I didn't lose any money. However, I chose not to replace it with another Tesla and bought a Volvo instead, mostly because of my concerns about their CEO.
 
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