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Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

xraydoc said:
My 2022 Tesla Model 3 was totaled in a (actually fairly minor) accident back in September. Insurance company determined it was too expensive to repair and they wrote the whole thing off. Fortunately, I didn't lose any money. However, I chose not to replace it with another Tesla and bought a Volvo instead, mostly because of my concerns about their CEO.
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More than likely Tesla's CEO is contemplating something that is a lot more important to him than on-ground modes of transportation. A assume...space exploration and travel (?). The manufacturing of automobiles can be a short-lived market proposition, as you can see with Stellantis. Besides Tesla nor anybody else can compete with China at the moment.

The same can be said about other companies. For example, will Apple experience an increase in the sale of Apple appliances by investing in the USA? How about Google, MS, and so on?
 
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AlaskaMoose said:
More than likely Tesla's CEO is contemplating something that is a lot more important to him than on-ground modes of transportation. A assume...space exploration and travel (?). The manufacturing of automobiles can be a short-lived market proposition, as you can see with Stellantis. Besides Tesla nor anybody else can compete with China at the moment.
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Stellantis to me just represent cheap ageing rubbish. No innovation whatsoever; or they are very bad in marketing what they do in that area. I see them buy brands, then assimilating them and stripping them of their identity and make them use all the same cheap plasticy components.

At least Tesla as an organization has done something positive, and where fair is fair created a market and do have innovation. They need new leadership, let the team of smart people truly shine and come forward. And show they are not one man.
AlaskaMoose said:
The same can be said about other companies. For example, will Apple experience an increase in the sale of Apple appliances by investing in the USA? How about Google, MS, and so on?
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It is an interesting question indeed, with all that is happening there could be some serious shifts and impacts in those areas as well. But even to my loose standards of staying on topic that might be off-topic 🤣 Let’s just say that for starters I’m considering Korean and Chinese phones ;)
 
cyb3rdud3 said:
Stellantis to me just represent cheap ageing rubbish. No innovation whatsoever; or they are very bad in marketing what they do in that area. I see them buy brands, then assimilating them and stripping them of their identity and make them use all the same cheap plasticy components.

At least Tesla as an organization has done something positive, and where fair is fair created a market and do have innovation. They need new leadership, let the team of smart people truly shine and come forward. And show they are not one man.

It is an interesting question indeed, with all that is happening there could be some serious shifts and impacts in those areas as well. But even to my loose standards of staying on topic that might be off-topic 🤣 Let’s just say that for starters I’m considering Korean and Chinese phones ;)
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There is also Lucid that has failed in the EV business.

In relation to Tesla, Elon Musk could very well let others take care of the EV business. I would think that he probably is one step ahead of such an idea, already.

Well, the I do find the iPhone, the iPad, and the iMac 2024 quite boring. The stopped upgrading at the iPhone 14 Pro, and don't plan to look at any other cellphones :)
 
AlaskaMoose said:
There is also Lucid that has failed in the EV business.
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There was something I liked about Lucid; however, I wouldn't drop a quarter of a million on a 4 - door saloon car. I'd rather buy a flat and rent it out. So I guess I wasn't their target audience. I know they did cheaper models, but let's be honest, you want the same car with all the toys, don't you? To me, their pricing was a huge mistake, seemed disjointed with anything else on the market.
AlaskaMoose said:
In relation to Tesla, Elon Musk could very well let others take care of the EV business. I would think that he probably is one step ahead of such an idea, already.
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I don't, never, have rated him as that smart. He's been lucky, with the right time and place, but no genius. But I appreciate in the US it is seen very differently. We live in interesting times.
AlaskaMoose said:
Well, the I do find the iPhone, the iPad, and the iMac 2024 quite boring. The stopped upgrading at the iPhone 14 Pro, and don't plan to look at any other cellphones :)
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Yup, I've upgraded from a 12 Pro to a 16 Pro Max. And still, I'm a bit like meh...
 
xraydoc said:
My 2022 Tesla Model 3 was totaled in a (actually fairly minor) accident back in September. Insurance company determined it was too expensive to repair and they wrote the whole thing off. Fortunately, I didn't lose any money. However, I chose not to replace it with another Tesla and bought a Volvo instead, mostly because of my concerns about their CEO.
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Well the main thing is you were okay. I think a lot share your sentiments on the ceo. I never liked the cars, so easy decision for me.
 
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cyb3rdud3 said:
Strongly agreed, nothing against the people working there. People driving them, well you know 😈👺🤣.
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Well a lot of us (Tesla owners) bought our cars years ago, when Elon was a little odd but basically a champion for clean energy. Selling a car at a major loss isn’t something everyone can do on principle.
cyb3rdud3 said:
There was something I liked about Lucid; however, I wouldn't drop a quarter of a million on a 4 - door saloon car.
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They have a $70k model now that is very, very good. Still not cheap, but a lot of people drive $70k trucks and nobody blinks. $250k is a whole other league of buyer.
 
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QCassidy352 said:
IIRC, they’ve needed a bunch of cash from their Saudi backers to avoid bankruptcy.
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Lucid already sell one model in Europe and were planning to bring more in 2025 but I think the timing for this now is rather poor as import costs are about to go out of control. Unless of course they build plants in Europe which seems to be the message at the moment. Not a good time to be a business teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.
 
New Volvo ES90 just been released, not at all my type of car, too big and Chinese, but its a beast. An expensive one too.

www.media.volvocars.com

In a class of its own – here is the all-new, fully electric Volvo ES90

Some might say it is a sedan. Others will see a fastback, or even hints of an SUV.
www.media.volvocars.com www.media.volvocars.com

I'm still looking forward to the ID2, Polosize. Hope the Germans get it right and it might be a success.
 
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QCassidy352 said:
IIRC, they’ve needed a bunch of cash from their Saudi backers to avoid bankruptcy.
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They are still in the early stages of buildout. Similar to Tesla when it only had the S and X. They are working on launching less expensive vehicles. It remains to be seen if they can get over that hump and become profitable soon enough to survive but they are not going under yet.
 
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Reverend Benny said:
New Volvo ES90 just been released, not at all my type of car, too big and Chinese, but its a beast. An expensive one too.

www.media.volvocars.com

In a class of its own – here is the all-new, fully electric Volvo ES90

Some might say it is a sedan. Others will see a fastback, or even hints of an SUV.
www.media.volvocars.com www.media.volvocars.com

I'm still looking forward to the ID2, Polosize. Hope the Germans get it right and it might be a success.
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Read in the German press that VW today announced the ID.Every1 - that sounds pretty convincing, at least for the European market.
 
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jz0309 said:
Read in the German press that VW today announced the ID.Every1 - that sounds pretty convincing, at least for the European market.
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It remains me of the Renault 5 a bit. But VW have got to try and do something different as they are struggling big time.

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Reverend Benny said:
New Volvo ES90 just been released, not at all my type of car, too big and Chinese, but its a beast. An expensive one too.

www.media.volvocars.com

In a class of its own – here is the all-new, fully electric Volvo ES90

Some might say it is a sedan. Others will see a fastback, or even hints of an SUV.
www.media.volvocars.com www.media.volvocars.com

I'm still looking forward to the ID2, Polosize. Hope the Germans get it right and it might be a success.
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I spend some time today watching extended previews and as a sedan fan (yes, rare breed in Europe) the design is a bit meh, but still ok. Too tall and lacks "slickness" for lack of a better word. The interior is quite nice.
One thing really disappointing is the luggage space, 390L is really poor for this segment. Well, it's poor in the segment below.

jz0309 said:
Read in the German press that VW today announced the ID.Every1 - that sounds pretty convincing, at least for the European market.
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Only 2027, it's practically vapourware and the specs really limit it as a city car.
 
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Tagbert said:
They are still in the early stages of buildout. Similar to Tesla when it only had the S and X. They are working on launching less expensive vehicles. It remains to be seen if they can get over that hump and become profitable soon enough to survive but they are not going under yet.
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I hope they make it—great cars. would be cool to see what they can do with a mass market model
 
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QCassidy352 said:
Well a lot of us (Tesla owners) bought our cars years ago, when Elon was a little odd but basically a champion for clean energy. Selling a car at a major loss isn’t something everyone can do on principle.
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Of-course not, although it could become even worse the longer this goes on. It is interesting to see how other car brands play in on the whole situation. Polestar is even putting financial incentives towards Tesla owners willing to jump ship. Although predominantly focussed on the US market as other parts of the world are more into buying than running up debt. But there is like a $20K lease incentive on the Polestar 3 which is made up of the $5K Conquest incentive (basically the Tesla switch over incentive) and a further $15K through the clean vehicle noncash incentive programme. $20K off a Polestar 3 is brilliant, our consumer laws are such that you've got x amount of time to pay in full regardless excluding the finance charge thus sadly it isn't coming this way. Oh and the Polestar 3 is made in South Carolina 👍

Kia is making similar noises, haven't kept up with the full details. I know they were doing something in the Nordic countries.

In my opinion both Kia, and Polestar provide some fantastic quality propositions. It would be even great if you had access to brands like Zeekr and the likes.

QCassidy352 said:
They have a $70k model now that is very, very good. Still not cheap, but a lot of people drive $70k trucks and nobody blinks. $250k is a whole other league of buyer.
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Yes, but isn't the $70K also a Lucid Air in Pure spec? That one is over here, the €105K version (we quote including sales tax and other taxes) and not really the version one would want. By the time you add the options on that are 'essential' in this class of vehicle, the car becomes rather a lot again. But I guess it is a choice.
 
I have difficulty seeing any future for Lucid.
The only thing holding them is the Saudis patience and deep pockets.
Perhaps with a new CEO.
 
timber said:
I have difficulty seeing any future for Lucid.
The only thing holding them is the Saudis patience and deep pockets.
Perhaps with a new CEO.
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I hope they make it. But they need some affordable options to supplement their higher priced vehicles. Or they would have to merge with a company that offers TMY/TM3 level price and quality vehicles.

I know not everyone thinks TMY/TM3 are affordable, but this is the price point that sells (at least in the US). Tesla would never have survived with just the TMS/TMX. There just isn’t enough of a market.
 
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jz0309 said:
Toyota's latest EV coming to EU late(r) this year, wonder if they will release it in the US.
Specs seem ok (at best) but pricing will be interesting.

www.motortrend.com

2026 Toyota C-HR+ First Look: Is This the Affordable EV America Needs?

Toyota’s second EV should go further, charge faster, and cost less than its rookie effort.
www.motortrend.com www.motortrend.com
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The article is spot on, it all comes down to one number and if that number isn't right this won't fly. The specs are to me like a design from 2019-2020 that was launched in 2021. It's OK, nothing exciting, very Toyota, but only if the price is right and low. And it is a small SUV shape that many people seem to love.

Meanwhile, Renault has launched the 4, which is definitely under the 30 barrier, but has a rather small battery and performance; one could say similar to the original :) and, in my opinion, only suitable if you live in some remote French village with only local journeys and home charging. So it will be a tall order for Toyota to reach that price point.

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Looks like the new Mercedes CLA with the 85kWh battery is good for 800km range. The real world will probably be a bit less, but that's still excellent, 85kWh isn't really the biggest size battery either.

The platform also comes as a combustion engine version which looks almost identical aside from the grill.
 
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