Bring your huge packet of money - it surely won't be cheap, assuming it really happens.Oooh, are EV's getting fun and silly? Could be a fun little weekend 'track/club' car....
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For you EU folk do the ID series off more than the front doors for KESSY? Trying to see if VW is offering the same KESSY trim option in the US as everywhere else. And try not to be annoyed that they haven't changed it here since they first started offering KESSY (only front doors and rear hatch/trunk).
Fuel Cells and Hydrogen production efficiency (therefore price) are just really poor compared to batteries.
This old VW sourced pic sums it pretty well
Well I’d add other sources also besides wind, need a balanced portfolio for true 24/7/365 with robust backup and pathways.
Well, take a look at the state of fuel cell cars and infrastructure in California.I’ve always said EV cars are NOT the final path.
Rather the battery will be replaced by fuel cell.
The other electric infrastructure in vehicle will keep evolving.
Look at all electric vehicles, battery is at the base bottom
That is an energy source, replace it with different energy source, fuel cell is the future path.
Gas in cold climates, EV in warm climates, but like I said hydrogen fuel cell is the ticket
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Toyota is giving the Mirai huge incentives, it’s not selling, infrastructure is shrinking …
Nah, that ship has sailed
I've subscribed, we'll see. I was at the pre-press event for Renault in Amsterdam. So hopefully get some early view on this as well.
That picture is just a placeholder for electric energy, both start from the same place.Well I’d add other sources also besides wind, need a balanced portfolio for true 24/7/365 with robust backup and pathways.
It’s been a while since my undergrad and grad thermodynamic classes.
Real world ICE achieve 30% give or take??
So more than fuel cell
Real world ICE achieve 30% give or take??
So more than fuel cell
And yesterday BYD announced 5 min charging for almost 250 mile range.
We’re getting closer…
We’re getting closer…
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For people claiming that H2 is the solution, here's the CA H2 fuel station status page: https://m.h2fcp.org/. There are station reliability probs and H2 availability probs.
Honda stopped selling and leasing their consumer FCEV: Clarity. They also had a BEV and PHEV version, which are also dead. Toyota is barely able to move any Mirais each year in CA. Ditto for Hyundai Nexo.
See https://s3.amazonaws.com/toyota-cms-media/toyota-pdfs/US Dec 2024 chart FINAL.pdf (table from https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-motor-north-america-reports-2024-u-s-sales-results/) and https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/4342.
Leases and new purchases come with $15K of free fuel (https://www.toyota.com/mirai/). I just found https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/tra...r-15-000-with-15-000-of-free-fuel/2-1-1769729. Last times I dropped by the H2 station near work, it was $36 per kilogram.
As I noted at https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thr...car-theyre-like-7500-11k.323155/#post-8140310, the Mirai driver there added somewhere north of 200 miles of range on his guess-o-meter on his Mirai and it cost him over $141, which I'm sure came out of his free fuel.
It seems like a huge boondoggle: a massive waste of money and engineering resources so far in pursuing this for consumer automobiles.
My bladder needs a lot more than 5 minutes every 250 miles.
I don’t really understand why people obsess over charging. It’s mostly done whilst people sleep.
Mostly agree, the 20-25 min that my Ioniq 5 can do at DCFC are good enough for me.
But then there are those who do not have L2 charging capabilities at home or at work, for those a quick 5 min stop will be ideal.
It’ll take several year, like 5-10, for an adequate 1MW charging infrastructure anyways
Exactly.
Most people drive less than 50 miles to their 9-to-5 job every day. And they might take a roadtrip or two every year. EVs are fine for that.
But they're not great for traveling salesmen driving hundreds of miles a day... or Disney fans driving from New York to Florida every weekend.
A lot of people take periodic road trips to see out of state family, attractions, etc… Much of the driving may not be near large cities. Some have dogs along. The ability to go a few hundred plus miles in a day with brief stops comes in handy.
PHEV is perfect for a 2nd car, that small drive daily commute less than say 45 miles. Small battery, less $$ tech.
The point that was being made, and to use your example, walking the dog or letting it out of its cage takes longer than 5 minutes
Likewise when you've just driven a few hundred miles, when you go to the rest room, buy a drink, and walk back. Takes typically (got lots of experience across many european service stations spanning at least 9 countries) about 20 minutes. Now there is no wasted time, no penalties for over staying. In a perverse manner when the charging becomes that fast, you actually have to wait with the vehicle when you do all that and then move it to avoid an angry mob or worse, overstaying fees.So yes, there is definitely something as it being too quick...
Damn the Tesla deals here are getting good on paper. They really can't sell them. Now it is a discount of €2.950 - €9.950 plus 2 years of free supercharger charging, and a free installation of a wallet connector.
How low will it go? Limbo lower now...
How low will it go? Limbo lower now...
as I've said before, for me the 20-25 min charging is fine, but there are benefits to the 5 min one too, eg people who do not have home charging capabilities (they do exitThe point that was being made, and to use your example, walking the dog or letting it out of its cage takes longer than 5 minutes
So yes, there is definitely something as it being too quick...
), people who do not need to use the restroom/get a drink etc, Uber/taxi drivers etc ...Options is a good thing
I think it highlights yet again a US vs European divide. Our infrastructure is so good that there is plenty of destination chargers as well.as I've said before, for me the 20-25 min charging is fine, but there are benefits to the 5 min one too, eg people who do not have home charging capabilities (they do exit
Options is a good thing
When charging goes to 5 minutes there is no longer a choice. With DC you can’t just slow down the car like you can on AC. So as I said, in a perverse manner the vast majority will them actually have to wait. Uber drivers also need a break. People driving long distances always need a break.
as I've said before, for me the 20-25 min charging is fine, but there are benefits to the 5 min one too, eg people who do not have home charging capabilities (they do exit
Options is a good thing
To me, as an EV only household that basically only charges at home. The 5 min charge need is for when EVs are more widely adopted. It is for when there are lines and people are waiting. Yes, once plugged in I don’t need to charge in sub-20 mins, but once EVs are as popular as ICE, there will be a need as people will be waiting for that charger.
Right now, it isn’t all that needed. But it better be in place before ICE has gone the way of the dodo.
Yes Europe has a much better infrastructure. But even Europe doesn’t have close to the EV volume of ICE. So now, it’s good, but the day will come (gradually) where the 5 min charge will be a must.
Said as someone who hopes to never go back to ICE.
why not have both? I'm not suggesting to replace one with the other, there's plenty reason to co-exist for different needs.
that's why I said the new chargers won't be in place for another 5- 10 years, by then, hopefully, EV penetration will be so much higher ...
They did a trial with it in my country, it didn't go any further than that. Here it's all petrol/diesel/hybrids or EVs.
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Who here has solar panels or considering to add them for EV charging and also whole home feed / utility feed?
I was waiting for the 32-34% efficiency arrays to come out vs the current 22% ones ..
Full electric home, no gas, well and septic, DTE is our only energy bill. We still have a 500 gallon hot tub, hardly used it ..
Bills are $200-ish spring thru fall, A/C is included , geothermal very efficient.
Home is about 3,000 sq ft equivalent for HVAC loading, actual 2,600 sq ft with open floor plan 1st and 2nd floors.
Full basement also 1,200 sq ft.
I was waiting for the 32-34% efficiency arrays to come out vs the current 22% ones ..
Full electric home, no gas, well and septic, DTE is our only energy bill. We still have a 500 gallon hot tub, hardly used it ..
Bills are $200-ish spring thru fall, A/C is included , geothermal very efficient.
Home is about 3,000 sq ft equivalent for HVAC loading, actual 2,600 sq ft with open floor plan 1st and 2nd floors.
Full basement also 1,200 sq ft.
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…but, but, but the Wärtsilä two-stroke diesel supposedly gets to 50% efficiency with bunkers (heavy fuel oil) in its 14-cylinder 109,000 horsepower engine pushing the huge container ship “Emma.”