Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[I7guy]

Personally I’ve never liked Tesla. Great charging network and handoff for payment. But there cars are just not for me. Never will be. That minimalist design and lack of buttons isn’t for me.
I’ve never considered a US manufacturer for a car. I don’t see that ever changing.

Different friends in my circle have an i4, i5 and i7. Love BMWs and had them in the past but I wouldn’t get an electric BMW.

For me Tesla nailed it. Love the minimalist interior, handling, the fact it’s an SDV, etc. to each their own of course. This year there are many choices. But I think Tesla does it best.

Unless you want the Caddy IQL or something like that.

 

[timber]

I'm also a BMW fan at heart. But I will only consider another when their lineup rides on dedicated and efficient platforms.
I know that's not far away so let's see what they come up with.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I'm also a BMW fan at heart. But I will only consider another when their lineup rides on dedicated and efficient platforms.
I know that's not far away so let's see what they come up with.

Well that was their first effort. The i3. It’s a shame they moved away from that philosophy. Going to keep mine until they have something better (hopefully!)

 

[QCassidy352]

Different friends in my circle have an i4, i5 and i7. Love BMWs and had them in the past but I wouldn’t get an electric BMW.

For me Tesla nailed it. Love the minimalist interior, handling, the fact it’s an SDV, etc. to each their own of course. This year there are many choices. But I think Tesla does it best.

Unless you want the Caddy IQL or something like that.

I agree about Teslas… wonderful cars that make a lot of competitors look antiquated. It’s a real pity Musk has so badly poisoned the brand.

 

[I7guy]

I agree about Teslas… wonderful cars that make a lot of competitors look antiquated. It’s a real pity Musk has so badly poisoned the brand.

Well I think we need to keep this about the vehicles, lest we get some reminders from up above.

 

[timber]

Well that was their first effort. The i3. It’s a shame they moved away from that philosophy. Going to keep mine until they have something better (hopefully!)

The iX is also dedicated and you can easily notice inside but SUVs particularly of the large kind aren't my thing.
The Neue Klasse in 3er size is what I'll be interested in.

 

[Apple fanboy]

The iX is also dedicated and you can easily notice inside but SUVs particularly of the large kind aren't my thing.
The Neue Klasse in 3er size is what I'll be interested in.

Agree not a fan of SUV’s at all. Limits my options with cars.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Different friends in my circle have an i4, i5 and i7. Love BMWs and had them in the past but I wouldn’t get an electric BMW.

For me Tesla nailed it. Love the minimalist interior, handling, the fact it’s an SDV, etc. to each their own of course. This year there are many choices. But I think Tesla does it best.

Unless you want the Caddy IQL or something like that.

Tesla do EV's very well I agree, but when someone is used to the interior quality of a BMW or higher end car, a Tesla is a bit more in the Hyundai sort of category, but then they are in that segment anyway on price. One thing I thanks Tesla for is driving the industry to up its standards, something Apple seem to have done in the smartphone sector. It means all these new EV's are pushing the envelope more and more.

 

[wonderings]

I like the simplicity of Tesla's. I took one of our company 3's home yesterday. I will be getting a Y in the next couple of months and one concern I had was the screens and how bright they are in the car. I am an early morning guy and usually on the road by 4:30am so lots of country driving in the dark. The screen going into dark mode was great and because of the simplicity of the dash it was way better then my Outback, which has a big 12" screen + the cluster that only dim so much. The quietness of the car is fantastic as well, but what really wows people is the 3 I have at the moment has the accelerator boost purchased and man when you floor it that thing takes off!

 

[JT2002TJ]

I like the simplicity of Tesla's. I took one of our company 3's home yesterday. I will be getting a Y in the next couple of months and one concern I had was the screens and how bright they are in the car. I am an early morning guy and usually on the road by 4:30am so lots of country driving in the dark. The screen going into dark mode was great and because of the simplicity of the dash it was way better then my Outback, which has a big 12" screen + the cluster that only dim so much. The quietness of the car is fantastic as well, but what really wows people is the 3 I have at the moment has the accelerator boost purchased and man when you floor it that thing takes off!

I honestly think majority of those who complain about the lack of buttons in a Tesla, have only spent a short time driving it. Note that I said majority and not 100%. Teslas are not setup for you to just jump in as a first-time driver. There is a significant amount of time needed to set them up for you. This is because of how many things are customizable. Each of these get saved to your profile, which if saved to the cloud follows you to any vehicles you have access to.

Once you set these up, you never mess with them again. From AC settings, mirrors/seat/steering wheel positioning, to all the UI settings, including steering/speed settings. I have had my Teslas for years, and don't change the temperature settings, even when I get into my wife's TM3, since my cloud profile remembers my ac settings. When I have had loaners, all these customizable settings carried over.

It is much like your cell phone. Once you set things up, you rarely need to go into settings to change them, but yes, it took time over the years to get it how you like it.

The things I regularly change, like windows, hazards have physical buttons. The Highland 3 did remove both stalks, which if an owner is so inclined to add, can be done in a couple minutes with aftermarket OEM like parts (S3XY Stalks/Hansshow,...).

When it comes to radio switching inputs, if you are only switching between BT, Radio, Satellite, in other vehicles, yes, you might not need to look down, but pretty much all vehicles with lots of additional audio streaming, no amounts of buttons are going to keep your eyes on the road.

If I just got into a Tesla as a rental, or driving someone else's, I 100% would say the lack of buttons would be a problem.

 

[I7guy]

Tesla do EV's very well I agree, but when someone is used to the interior quality of a BMW or higher end car, a Tesla is a bit more in the Hyundai sort of category, but then they are in that segment anyway on price. One thing I thanks Tesla for is driving the industry to up its standards, something Apple seem to have done in the smartphone sector. It means all these new EV's are pushing the envelope more and more.

Speaking only for myself owning a bmw and other luxury cars it took my no time to give up that luxury in my mind. The leather accents, soft touch knobs etc. for an electric vehicle at its price point the driving experience is top notch. That I don’t have to go into a dealer, makes the experience sweeter.

 

[JT2002TJ]

Speaking only for myself owning a bmw and other luxury cars it took my no time to give up that luxury in my mind. The leather accents, soft touch knobs etc. for an electric vehicle at its price point the driving experience is top notch. That I don’t have to go into a dealer, makes the experience sweeter.

I also went from BMW/Audi to my Teslas. Although they were older (B7 A4/e46), they were what a lot of people argue are the best example of A4 & 3-series, my Teslas are on par with the interior fit and finish of these. The e46 did have much better sound deadening (that crayon smell coating), but the engine noise made for a louder interior than my Teslas. Both the BMW and Audi had their own problems like interior squeaking.

*I understand that I am talking about 20-year-old German vehicles, and they are also entry level. But so are the TM3/TMY I am comparing them to. The TM3/TMY also has a lower starting price (at least in the US).

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I like the simplicity of Tesla's. I took one of our company 3's home yesterday. I will be getting a Y in the next couple of months and one concern I had was the screens and how bright they are in the car. I am an early morning guy and usually on the road by 4:30am so lots of country driving in the dark. The screen going into dark mode was great and because of the simplicity of the dash it was way better then my Outback, which has a big 12" screen + the cluster that only dim so much. The quietness of the car is fantastic as well, but what really wows people is the 3 I have at the moment has the accelerator boost purchased and man when you floor it that thing takes off!

Blimey, if you are impressed by a screen that dims than you truly haven't experience many decent cars...I can't remember a car that didn't do that. My Saab did that beautifully back in 1996

 

[JT2002TJ]

Blimey, if you are impressed by a screen that dims than you truly haven't experience many decent cars...I can't remember a car that didn't do that. My Saab did that beautifully back in 1996

It's not the dimming (brightness), all cars have done that with headlight on forever, its Dark Mode. Much like your cell phone switching from regular to Dark Mode.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

It's not the dimming (brightness), all cars have done that with headlight on forever, its Dark Mode. Much like your cell phone switching from regular to Dark Mode.

Darkmode requires colour screen, that didn't exist in 1996 in a car like that. So it was dimming, and yes darkmode is a given. Don't know any that don't. Heck even the old RNS-E that you must have had in your Audi has a day, night and auto mode

 

[JT2002TJ]

Darkmode requires colour screen, that didn't exist in 1996 in a car like that. So it was dimming, and yes darkmode is a given. Don't know any that don't. Heck even the old RNS-E that you must have had in your Audi has a day, night and auto mode

Both regular and dark mode dim with headlights. He was not pointing out dimming. He was pointing out dark mode... I leave my profile on Dark Mode all the time, it dims with headlights.

Am I misunderstanding something?

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Both regular and dark mode dim with headlights. He was not pointing out dimming. He was pointing out dark mode... I leave my profile on Dark Mode all the time, it dims with headlights.

Am I misunderstanding something?

Yes you are. Other cars have had dark mode for ages as well it really isn't anything unique or new by Tesla...

 

[Apple fanboy]

CarPlay goes into dark mode on Maps. Not on a Tesla though! 😜

 

[JT2002TJ]

Yes you are. Other cars have had dark mode for ages as well it really isn't anything unique or new by Tesla...

You are changing what you are saying. No one is saying that dark mode didn't exist. It was in response to what YOU said here:

Blimey, if you are impressed by a screen that dims than you truly haven't experience many decent cars...I can't remember a car that didn't do that. My Saab did that beautifully back in 1996

Your 1996 Saab had Dark Mode?

 

[cyb3rdud3]

You are changing what you are saying. No one is saying that dark mode didn't exist. It was in response to what YOU said here:



Your 1996 Saab had Dark Mode?

Relatively to the time and technical capabilities, naturally. The net effect is the same. But yes, you can argue that Saab had a true dark mode actually. Likely one better than on modern cars, and comparable to what aeroplanes use. It was called nightpanel, instruments (and parts thereof) would go dark, and come on on-demand as when required due to the circumstances and then get lit up again.

 

[timber]

I like the simplicity of Tesla's. I took one of our company 3's home yesterday. I will be getting a Y in the next couple of months and one concern I had was the screens and how bright they are in the car. I am an early morning guy and usually on the road by 4:30am so lots of country driving in the dark. The screen going into dark mode was great and because of the simplicity of the dash it was way better then my Outback, which has a big 12" screen + the cluster that only dim so much. The quietness of the car is fantastic as well, but what really wows people is the 3 I have at the moment has the accelerator boost purchased and man when you floor it that thing takes off!

I also like the Tesla simplicity and overall UI but my previous 2014 BMW also went into dark mode automatically (mainly the map and the displays near the dials because the UI itself was already dark).
It's common to say that all car brands UI suck and only Tesla and Car Play are worth it but I also found iDrive nice to use. Of course Tesla's UI is better but it has to be because it covers a lot more of the car use.
One thing Tesla should improve is make the screen text friendlier for over 40 people when one can't change focus points as fast as before. Or get an HUD.

 

[hobowankenobi]

Relatively to the time and technical capabilities, naturally. The net effect is the same. But yes, you can argue that Saab had a true dark mode actually. Likely one better than on modern cars, and comparable to what aeroplanes use. It was called nightpanel, instruments (and parts thereof) would go dark, and come on on-demand as when required due to the circumstances and then get lit up again.

That's funny...ironically, if Teslas had this disappearing dash feature, they would be lambasted for it. There is a fervor over "missing" buttons. Imagine the outrage over missing indicators!

While I see some use for it, not really comparable to dark mode.

And yes, tourch screen has never been a real problem for normal daily drivers. The lack of an indicator stalk is a bigger issue (still physical buttons, but working against muscle memory). Pretty much proves that change is the real challenge, not just/only touch screens.

Switching cars or first experience (change) is the issue. I search more for switches and dials in my wife's Suburu, simply because I don't drive it enough to remember everything. I grew up around BMW, Audi, and Mercedes... and no cars have ever confused me (or any other occasional drivers) more. I still really like them, but yeah... a really long learning curve for lots of the controls.

 

[Apple fanboy]

That's funny...ironically, if Teslas had this disappearing dash feature, they would be lambasted for it. There is a fervor over "missing" buttons. Imagine the outrage over missing indicators!

While I see some use for it, not really comparable to dark mode.

And yes, tourch screen has never been a real problem for normal daily drivers. The lack of an indicator stalk is a bigger issue (still physical buttons, but working against muscle memory). Pretty much proves that change is the real challenge, not just/only touch screens.

Switching cars or first experience (change) is the issue. I search more for switches and dials in my wife's Suburu, simply because I don't drive it enough to remember everything. I grew up around BMW, Audi, and Mercedes... and no cars have ever confused me (or any other occasional drivers) more. I still really like them, but yeah... a really long learning curve for lots of the controls.

I’ve been driving manual gearboxes all my life. Had my i3s 3 years and I still occasionally send my left arm looking for a gear stick that isn’t there!

But I much prefer the idrive interface and physical buttons over a touchscreen. It’s safer as studies have shown.

Just one of the many reasons why when I look for my next car Tesla won’t even be considered.

 

[JT2002TJ]

I’ve been driving manual gearboxes all my life. Had my i3s 3 years and I still occasionally send my left arm looking for a gear stick that isn’t there!

that's the problem... Try looking with your Right arm (the Right/Correct arm)

 

[Apple fanboy]

that's the problem... Try looking with your Right arm (the Right/Correct arm)

But all I found was the door handle…😱