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I have a fast wireless charging mount with my iphone as my dash. With the S3XY commander and their dashboard I get a driver's screen that includes useful info. They also implemented a blind spot monitoring (that is always on, does not require indicator on) like the newer TM3/TMY, with a yellow light on the side of the vehicle.
I'm sure I posted this before, but so you don't have to search for it:
What you see on the screen, there is a vehicle to my left:
Buying a car is so subjective and Tesla has taken the non-traditional route. Personally the driving experience is seamless. The center screen is easy to use. The drive is impeccable and the car to me drives likes it’s on rails. If one wants an evee traditional suv a Tesla is not it.
Electric vehicles have a better safety record than ice vehicles, but I’m sure you knew that. Any other interpretation doesn’t align with statistics. The gas cans in my garage will explode before my Tesla.
As far as autonomous driving, FSD leads the pack. It’s the only driving system that can operate from any point a to any point b. No other system in the US can do that. And I have used FSD it’s a scary feeling having the car drive itself.
Get an EV don’t get an EV. Get a Tesla or not. Just my $.02.
Yea, I don't think that the case here. The 120V in the garage is part of the "exterior lighting" circuit so it's not dedicated. Even if it were dedicated, I'm pretty sure they used 14 gauge for the 15 amp circuit because it's cheaper. The unit was built only a few years ago. On the plus side, there is space in the breaker box for an additional breaker if needed.
The biggest problem is the running of the wiring out to the detached garage {grown}. The panel is on the 2nd floor in the laundry room so they would need to run the wire up into the attic, out to the soffit, down the side of the unit, into a ditch for about 25 feet, back up and into the garage. It would be a lot of work, and as you can imagine, cost prohibitive.
No, I can’t speak to that for others’ as it was a mere subjective 30-minute test drive. I appreciate your question, so I went back and edited my comment as “a tad finicky”. Certainly not a showstopper for me, but the seats were. ✌️
FSDs unfortunately has a rather large learning curve. You really have to be experienced with it to get all it's quirks and know when it needs a little help (go pedal) or needs a takeover (disengagement from wrong routing or dangerous move). Even people who own Teslas and get the free subscriptions Tesla gives out every once in a while, feel the same way as you. You have to spend a lot of time with it to understand it. Otherwise, you don't know what to expect and spend the entire time in fear of everything it is doing.
I use it daily and have for the past 2+ years in the NYC metroplex area. I will not go back to driving a vehicle without an FSDs level of assistance. My commute is 26 miles each way (3 hours total per day).
As for the seats, yes, some people love them, some people HATE them. I love them. If you HATE them, there is no reason to go any further as that's what you sit on...
I’d probably be driving a Tesla if it weren’t for the ergonomics (lack of stalks, touch vs buttons/dials). Besides that they done everything right imho incl the charging network
In the UK there is plenty of other choices with charging. In the US I think it’s not the case.
I still think there could be improvements here, but it’s not a big concern for me. I only use them a few times a year. Most are the same.
This. The Tesla charging network in Europe is not an advantage. Only advantage to Tesla is that they are cheap, sales are plummeting, discounts are huge, the brand is toxic. Not many would want to be seen in one over here. When given one I’d sell it.
It's probably a bit different depending on countries but Tesla's Superchargers are know to be cheap, reliable and very easy to use in several ways (payment, price transparency, charging speed...).
The way the chargers interact with the car it's also much smoother than regular chargers.
Not having the connector issue does reduce Superchargers advantages but I would still call it a plus.
The way the chargers interact with the car it's also much smoother than regular chargers.
Not having the connector issue does reduce Superchargers advantages but I would still call it a plus.
Charging speed? Only the latest version can compete. The rest are actually pretty slow. But yes, I agree, they compete on price again. It’s often the cheapest. But as was said earlier for most people and most journeys public charging isn’t even required.
Yea, part of it is the sure distances here compared to Europe…
But to give you an example, I recently went to Northere California, planned my trip to arrive at a particular charging station going over what is known as the Grapevine here (it’s a 4,000+ ft pass north of LA), it’s 1 of 2 choices to go North. Anyways, I checked charging stations incl Tesla (as a backup as for my ioniq it’s limited to 97kWh vs 240+).
On the 100 or so miles stretch past “civilization” there are about 24 150kW chargers by a few providers, Tesla on the other hand: 178 chargers! Yes, 24 vs 178!
I ended up not needing to use Tesla but it’s a great backup
It's not a question of raw charging speed.
I know several regular non technical EV drivers and most have difficult picturing what they will get of the charger.
Superchargers may not be the fastest but they are always fast and you can count on it. Well, Ionity is also like that, WYSIWYG.
I don't personally place a lot of value on that but I can relate to this.
It's a bit like classical Apple, sometimes you didn't get the absolute fastest or meaner or whatever but you always got a great experience.
And electricity is a commodity, even more than gas (no " special additives" mumbo jumbo), so being cheap is great.
I don’t know what Tesla chargers you have in Europe but here they can almost all deliver 150kW which is what 80+% of EVs on the road can handle anyways, only the 800V EVs can’t do that, but luckily we have 350kW chargers too
I can only use a few Tesla charging points here in the UK, but I never do (even tho they are cheaper). I used one once but that was last year before their CEO made certain comments. Now I’d rather spend my money elsewhere.
But there are decent charging options everywhere I’ve been so far. Occasionally you have to queue for a few minutes, but it’s always pretty civilised. Plus you get the added bonus of talking to other EV drivers about what they drive and what they like/dislike about their car.
I actually absolutely agree with that. And as you say the likes of IONITY and also Fastned are the same. And beside the stable supply the charging curve is what is disccussed nowhere near enough. And that is really important when you have to charge DC on the move.
Many a Tesla quotes nice high charging, but when you scratch the surface that is for a rather narrow band and then it drops rapidly. As you say, you could have a lower peak but if the speed is a stable value and a near flat curve than the actual charge is so much faster.
But for most people for most journeys it all doesn’t matter as we simply top up on AC when we sleep 👍
Yup, that is like what has been around as common infrastructure for the last five years or so. 🤷♂️
You do realize that Europe has a larger landmass than the USA. Distances can be even greater.
About 120-130Km/h. But can vary depending on time of day and country. Someplaces have no speed limits 👍
Although I do not do a lot of trips, it’s not just the charging curve that is important. Efficiency or lack there of makes one need to charge more frequently. So it is a balance between efficiency and charging curve. Many of the cannonball runs put the TM3 around the same overall time per distance, even with the slower charging speeds vs newer 800v vehicles. Now if you add the availability and reduced cost of charging, the Tesla ecosystem is hard to beat even today (for the US market).
That said, yes, if you had the same vehicle model, with the same weight 400v vs 800v on chargers capable of handling it, 800v will win with time at charger.
Here in the US, it still seems that majority of L3-L4 chargers are not capable of sustained 350 kW charging. So for me, all charging speeds are about the same, efficiency and access to charging networks is more important.
In the end, I almost 100% charge at home on my L2 wall connector for both my EVs. So the 400v vs 800v architecture is not a factor at all.
That said, yes, if you had the same vehicle model, with the same weight 400v vs 800v on chargers capable of handling it, 800v will win with time at charger.
Here in the US, it still seems that majority of L3-L4 chargers are not capable of sustained 350 kW charging. So for me, all charging speeds are about the same, efficiency and access to charging networks is more important.
In the end, I almost 100% charge at home on my L2 wall connector for both my EVs. So the 400v vs 800v architecture is not a factor at all.