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Tariffs are not the big issue. Never have been. What’s the most popular US vehicle? Some sort of pick up truck most likely. Over here you very rarely see one. They are just to big to park and drive.

The established European brands have had a stranglehold on our market, but certain Asian brands.

Tesla made good progress and is probably the most popular US car. But the foot in mouth disease hasn’t done their brand any favours. Whenever I speak to a Tesla driver they are always quick to point out they bought it before certain things were said by a certain person. Shame.

I’ll be keeping my BMW for a few more years. But my next car will be European or Asian I suspect.

Wasn't Ford at one point the #1 selling manufacture? Ford is an American Brand...

Going back over the years, Ford has made some high-volume vehicles for the UK (many that weren't even available here). Maybe their sales have declined, but historically for a long time Ford has been high in the UK market... At least I thought, unless I'm wrong...
 
Wasn't Ford at one point the #1 selling manufacture? Ford is an American Brand...

Going back over the years, Ford has made some high-volume vehicles for the UK (many that weren't even available here). Maybe their sales have declined, but historically for a long time Ford has been high in the UK market... At least I thought, unless I'm wrong...
Ford have always had different European models than US. So the number one car a few years ago was the Ford Fiesta. Pretty sure that wasn’t available over there? Same with the Escort, KA. Focus and others.
 
Ford have always had different European models than US. So the number one car a few years ago was the Ford Fiesta. Pretty sure that wasn’t available over there? Same with the Escort, KA. Focus and others.

Ford Fiesta and Escort were in the US...
 
Interesting. I didn’t know that. Were they popular?


Here is what I can find (I have no idea of how accurate this site is, just something I could quickly find):

Ford Escort:

Ford Focus: (Escort replacement)

Ford Fiesta:
 
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The most popular US vehicle is the model Y. And to be honest what comes out of the CEO’s’ mouth is irrelevant to me. I’m not moving out of the US because the pres. said some things.

But Tesla has managed to bump my favorites list for bmw down to #2.
He tried to influence the elections in Germany, I think that hit folks over there much harder than what he did over here hit the Americans…

But there is also some double standard imho, what happened with Dieselgate was a criminal act imho and VW was protected by the government, people are still fighting for compensation 10+ years later and VW still is the #1 brand …
 
He tried to influence the elections in Germany, I think that hit folks over there much harder than what he did over here hit the Americans…

But there is also some double standard imho, what happened with Dieselgate was a criminal act imho and VW was protected by the government, people are still fighting for compensation 10+ years later and VW still is the #1 brand …
Diesel gate was bad. But I never really got why people couldn’t figure out they weren’t as environmentally friendly as they claimed. I mean they just don’t give that impression do they with the black smoke? Anyway I never bought a diesel and never will.

As for the election stuff what he did over there wouldn’t be allowed in most democratic countries. But as this is a political conversation best just leave it there on this platform.
 
Diesel gate was bad. But I never really got why people couldn’t figure out they weren’t as environmentally friendly as they claimed. I mean they just don’t give that impression do they with the black smoke? Anyway I never bought a diesel and never will.

As for the election stuff what he did over there wouldn’t be allowed in most democratic countries. But as this is a political conversation best just leave it there on this platform.
Sometimes I miss my (2012) Golf TDI.
 
Sometimes I miss my (2012) Golf TDI.
I miss the boot (trunk to you guys) on my Golf TSi. But only when I’m going to a trade show for work.
 

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Crazy Tariffs and VAT regulations were designed to shut out US car brands for decades.
VAT is a consumption tax, a sales tax, it is indiscriminate and is relevant to all sales. That has nothing to do with the US or US cars. Before the tariff 'war', there was a 10% tariff on cars using the Most Favoured Nation (MFN) system from the EU, and please keep in mind tariffs are ultimately paid by the consumer of the country that imposes the tariffs, and even with that tariff most American cars are still way cheaper. But price alone doesn't mean it is desirable. And despite that tariff, the Tesla MY did become the overall bestseller for a little while, and they are still some of the cheapest electric cars one can buy. However, for complete transparency you mustn't forget that the USA also imposed a 25% (that is 15% more) tariff on pickup trucks, by far the biggest segment for car sales in the USA.

So I am afraid to say that the facts don't really support the point. When a desirable car is built, the people will buy; and for a decade Tesla managed to do that! Now due to geopolitics, and more competition in the EV sector that is no longer the case.
 
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Wasn't Ford at one point the #1 selling manufacture? Ford is an American Brand...

Going back over the years, Ford has made some high-volume vehicles for the UK (many that weren't even available here). Maybe their sales have declined, but historically for a long time Ford has been high in the UK market... At least I thought, unless I'm wrong...
Ford is still very popular, but we had typically, since whenever, much smaller models. The largest was like a Scorpio many decades ago. Then a Mondeo for a while. Now probably some SUV. But the SUVs aren't regarded as good, the large cars were not very good. The segment is really little front wheel driven 4 cylinder cars like the Fiesta, Focus, Kuga type things.

And there was GM as well, they used to have Opel and Vauxhall with big sellers like the Corsa/Nova, Kadett, Cavalier. All small front wheel drriven 4 cylinder cars again...Corvette, Camaro were never popular as the roads have bends. Now those brands (Open and Vauxhall) belong to Stellantis if I am not mistaken....

Chrysler Jeep had moderate success to be fair, especially in the days not every brand had an offroader, Nissan/Toyota was too utilitarian, and Range Rover was so much more expensive that it is in a totally different category.

Ford MachE is popular, I see more and more Bronco and Explorer as well. Anything Stellantis I'd stay way from, shame as they are killing some nice brands in my opinion. Lucid is also more and more on the roads, and I hope Rivian can get there as well.
 
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But there is also some double standard imho, what happened with Dieselgate was a criminal act imho and VW was protected by the government, people are still fighting for compensation 10+ years later and VW still is the #1 brand …
My dad spent his entire career in the British car industry, in the latter years he was kind of 'transferred over' to a well known German manufacturer. He always maintained that you never competed with a particular German manufacturer you were trying to compete with the entire German state as well (and by extension their huge influence within the EU), he was always extremely cynical about it.

As Apple Fanboy suggests the whole diesel gate thing was secret hidden in plain sight - I used to drive diesels and it always intrigued me how people with much larger German cars than mine with bigger engines could always get better fuel consumption and have as good if not better emissions...

Ford Fiesta and Escort were in the US...

For quite a long time now car manufacturers have used global car platforms - it's technology, underpinnings and a common parts bin but then a localised model is skinned over the common bits. As car companies merge and rationalise then there's less and less platforms and cars increasingly resemble each other.

Here's a list of Ford platforms:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_platforms
 
As for the election stuff what he did over there wouldn’t be allowed in most democratic countries. But as this is a political conversation best just leave it there on this platform.
Is it very democratic when the 2nd largest party represented in that country's Parliament gets an official 'extremist' label which legally subjects them to surveillance?
 
Ford Fiesta and Escort were in the US...
Yes, though the Fiesta was short-lived. Ever since the Escort era, US market Ford went almost exclusively SUVs and Trucks.

The small cars were mostly designed and built for Europe, and when carried over to the US they found no success. Things like Puma, Kuga, are a no-go. Even the Focus got dropped from that market.
 
Yes, though the Fiesta was short-lived. Ever since the Escort era, US market Ford went almost exclusively SUVs and Trucks.

The small cars were mostly designed and built for Europe, and when carried over to the US they found no success. Things like Puma, Kuga, are a no-go. Even the Focus got dropped from that market.

I think the point is, we can't just say these vehicles didn't exist in the US and were UK only. They were in fact in the US, and the Escort/Focus was for a LONG time. Fiesta was 10 years, Escort and Focus were here for 20 years. Escort and Focus were not small volume for NA, Fiesta was.

We didn't get all the old classics like the Escort Cosworth, but we did get later specialties.
 
VAT is a consumption tax, a sales tax, it is indiscriminate and is relevant to all sales. That has nothing to do with the US or US cars. Before the tariff 'war', there was a 10% tariff on cars using the Most Favoured Nation (MFN) system from the EU, and please keep in mind tariffs are ultimately paid by the consumer of the country that imposes the tariffs, and even with that tariff most American cars are still way cheaper. But price alone doesn't mean it is desirable. And despite that tariff, the Tesla MY did become the overall bestseller for a little while, and they are still some of the cheapest electric cars one can buy. However, for complete transparency you mustn't forget that the USA also imposed a 25% (that is 15% more) tariff on pickup trucks, by far the biggest segment for car sales in the USA.

So I am afraid to say that the facts don't really support the point. When a desirable car is built, the people will buy; and for a decade Tesla managed to do that! Now due to geopolitics, and more competition in the EV sector that is no longer the case.
So easy to look up the few American car costs sold in Europe vs the cost in US. The wealthy scoop them up. Price a Cadillac LYRIQ as one example, or Ford Mustangs as another. Price variances by country are crazy in the EU.
 
So easy to look up the few American car costs sold in Europe vs the cost in US. The wealthy scoop them up. Price a Cadillac LYRIQ as one example, or Ford Mustangs as another. Price variances by country are crazy in the EU.
??? And the point being? Prices in the rest of the world, including European countries, are generally quoted included tax. And yes tax varies by country, not just the rate of VAT, but also other taxes and on the flip side subsidies and incentives. It is called consumer law, so as a consumer you know what you'll have to pay to get the car on the road. In the UK typically called the OTR price.

But on another point, 'the wealthy' doesn't scoop up American cars, most definitely not. :D The Cadillac Lyriq is only a $66K car or €87K including taxes, subjectively to European taste anything but sophisticated, and most certainly not in the segment for 'the wealthy'. Not even close. Yes, let's not talk about Ford Mustangs, they are not electric except for the MachE...The MachE is popular, but again not one for the wealthy at all.
 
Solar not an option? I’d love it if I had the cash and the roof wasn’t coming up for replacement.
I would have thought roof replacement would be the very best time to also install solar, no? That would be the time to ensure all underlayments are without rot or leak, and roof trusses are capable of handling the weight and stressors of the new roof as well as the solar panels and their connection points. But yes, what a hit to the wallet to do both! Very painful but delivers a great result that should last and yield benefits for another decade or so.
 
I would have thought roof replacement would be the very best time to also install solar, no? That would be the time to ensure all underlayments are without rot or leak, and roof trusses are capable of handling the weight and stressors of the new roof as well as the solar panels and their connection points. But yes, what a hit to the wallet to do both! Very painful but delivers a great result that should last and yield benefits for another decade or so.
Another decade? My current roof is 70 years old. When I replace it it will see my time out on this mortal earth for sure.
Apart from the expensive, yes doing them together makes sense. But the roof will last a few more years (hopefully). But putting solar panels on it at this stage isn’t an option financially and because they’ll need removing when the roof is replaced.
 
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Another decade? My current roof is 70 years old.
Bad grammar on my part; I was referring to the solar panels, not the roof. Around us, solar seems to either lose efficiency, begin breaking down, or just become uneconomical at around the 10-15 year mark. Roofs indeed should last much, much longer. Our tile roof lasted 118 years when due to many leaks we decided to take each tile off, verify the integrity of the more-than-century-old trusses, add a plywood underlayment and water barrier, furring strips, and finally put back each tile breaking as few as possible. All tiles are original to our 1905 house.

I too do not expect to be living in the home, or at all, at next roof replacement.
 
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