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And this is why Tesla still has the advantage over other EVs. The three main concerns are availability of charging stations, time it takes to charge and driving distance between charges. Tesla strategically set up their supercharging network across the country that has improved for the last 10 years. I made a trip from Seattle to Nashville five years ago and had minimal problems. Superchargers are located near hotels and places to eat. 😃
Here in the U.K. motorway service stations all have charging points. That’s where most people need them to be.
 

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And this is why Tesla still has the advantage over other EVs. The three main concerns are availability of charging stations, time it takes to charge and driving distance between charges. Tesla strategically set up their supercharging network across the country that has improved for the last 10 years. I made a trip from Seattle to Nashville five years ago and had minimal problems. Superchargers are located near hotels and places to eat. 😃

You'll find gas stations along those routes too.

;)
 

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Not that I have seen. Why don't gas station owners replace two gas pumps with tesla chargers? There are grants available to installing publicly accessible EV charging in some locations, so the cost could be even less to filling stations.
Gas stations don't make big money on fuel, it's the snacks. EV chargers would keep a bored customer there for at least 15 minutes.
Gas stations don’t want people to spend time there. they want you to get gas and a drink and move so that the pump space can be freed up for the next customer. They depend on high volume, high speed customer traffic to make money. They don’t usually have any space to spare. Someone taking 15 minutes or more taking up a spot would slow down the turnover.
 

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Gas stations don’t want people to spend time there. they want you to get gas and a drink and move so that the pump space can be freed up for the next customer. They depend on high volume, high speed customer traffic to make money. They don’t usually have any space to spare. Someone taking 15 minutes or more taking up a spot would slow down the turnover.

That's why I want a plug in hybrid, instead of full electric. In the US, there just isn't enough infrastructure yet5 to support electric vehicles. Imagine trying to schedule a road trip, and hoping that your info on charging stations is accurate.
 
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Picked up my BMW this morning.
You went with a ‘used’ model? Naturally curious why used v.s. new. You mentioned you ordered new originally. No pics yet? I personally wouldn’t purchase a used EV, but I’m also more particular over others.

Pick up my approved used BMW tomorrow. It will have CarPlay and all the standard features that the new one I had on order no longer comes with.
 

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That's why I want a plug in hybrid, instead of full electric. In the US, there just isn't enough infrastructure yet5 to support electric vehicles. Imagine trying to schedule a road trip, and hoping that your info on charging stations is accurate.
Rav 4 Prime perhaps? Depending on the length of your drive/commute, you wouldn’t even have to use the combustion engine if you didn’t want to.
 

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That's why I want a plug in hybrid, instead of full electric. In the US, there just isn't enough infrastructure yet5 to support electric vehicles. Imagine trying to schedule a road trip, and hoping that your info on charging stations is accurate.
That can be a concern, but there are plenty of apps to assist you. They tell you which are working, in use and what type they are.
Most cars also have built in information about the local chargers as well.
 
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AC charging at supermarkets, restaurants, and movie theaters is a good idea. Leave the DC charging to traffic corridors and let folk get a “trickle” charge while getting groceries or eating or watching a movie.
Perhaps it is not a bad idea. The problem is that the business cannot do it at a loss of revenue; somebody has to pay for the electricity. For example, in the interior of Alaska where I live winters are extremely cold and long. All vehicles are winterized as follows: 400-watt block heater, and oil pan heater (a 45 to 65-watt electric pad), and a battery heater (an electric blanket, or pad, or even a trickle charger). The employer provides electrical outlets for the employees to plug their vehicles during work hours. In this case the cost of electricity for the employees is deducted from their wages. Some of the government employees pay for $200.00 to $500.00 per year for parking. The parking fees are collected regardless if you are working or absent from work.
 

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Rav 4 Prime perhaps? Depending on the length of your drive/commute, you wouldn’t even have to use the combustion engine if you didn’t want to.

I have always been a Ford Explorer guy. They have a plug in hybrid I will be looking at next year. I work from home and rarely drive more than 10 miles a day, if that. And the Ford has a 15 mile electric only range. If I plug it in every night, I will rarely use the gas. Theoretically.
 
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I have always been a Ford Explorer guy. They have a plug in hybrid I will be looking at next year. I work from home and rarely drive more than 10 miles a day, if that. And the Ford has a 15 mile electric only range. If I plug it in every night, I will rarely use the gas. Theoretically.
I am also a devoted Ford fan. (Loads of ownership of Mustangs, SHO’s/Ecoboosts, ect.) I also have the Ford Lightning on pre-order.

Anyways, since you have basically a nonexistent commute, I can see why a shorter range would be ideal, however; just make sure that you do use/burn the fuel in the vehicle. Some people like yourself, they may never have to put fuel in the vehicle, fuel has a tendency to deteriorate or breakdown if it’s old enough, causing problems. Just something to think about.
 

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I am also a devoted Ford fan. (Loads of ownership of Mustangs, SHO’s/Ecoboosts, ect.) I also have the Ford Lightning on pre-order.

Anyways, since you have basically a nonexistent commute, I can see why a shorter range would be ideal, however; just make sure that you do use/burn the fuel in the vehicle. Some people like yourself, they may never have to put fuel in the vehicle, fuel has a tendency to deteriorate or breakdown if it’s old enough, causing problems. Just something to think about.

Yep. I do occasionally take longer trips, maybe once or twice a month. I estimate I can burn from a 250 mile range gas tank every three months. Filling up once evey three months sounds good to me.
 

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Yep. I do occasionally take longer trips, maybe once or twice a month. I estimate I can burn from a 250 mile range gas tank every three months. Filling up once evey three months sounds good to me.
Yeah, then you wouldn’t have any issue with fuel-burning. But you’re like in the perfect scenario, where you’re not really affected by the fuel prices, (because you don’t really drive anywhere), and yet you’ll save money, because your commute is so short, you won’t really be spending any money on fuel either way. So it’s a win-win. I’d go with the plan you have in place.
 
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I am also a devoted Ford fan. (Loads of ownership of Mustangs, SHO’s/Ecoboosts, ect.) I also have the Ford Lightning on pre-order.

Anyways, since you have basically a nonexistent commute, I can see why a shorter range would be ideal, however; just make sure that you do use/burn the fuel in the vehicle. Some people like yourself, they may never have to put fuel in the vehicle, fuel has a tendency to deteriorate or breakdown if it’s old enough, causing problems. Just something to think about.

That's what sucks about EVs - pre-order. You can't just go on a lot and pick one. I'm thinking next summer, so I have to see what leads times are and pre-order accordingly.
 

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He said a better spec, colour and 7 grand cheaper. Sounds like a good deal especially with a warranty.
It was. The downgrading of new cars because of chip shortages was a deciding factor. It’s only done 6k miles. So the previous owner has taken the biggest depreciation hit. The fact that it’s a nicer colour and better spec than the one I ordered was nice as well.
 

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Great stuff, you must be chuffed. I can’t wait to see it
I really am. The acceleration is so quick compared to what I’m used to. Because it’s a light car it pulls away very quick for an EV.
But the driving is so easy. The only issue I have is when I pull away from a stop, my left had reaches down to pull the gear lever back to second. But I’ve driven manual for 30+ years, so will take some getting used to.
 

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I’ll do some nice images soon, but here’s a couple for now.
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That's what sucks about EVs - pre-order. You can't just go on a lot and pick one. I'm thinking next summer, so I have to see what leads times are and pre-order accordingly.
It’s crazy. Everything is made to order with EV’s. I found one at a dealership new, but totally random. With the way the economy is and lagging manufacturing, it just doesn’t have any signs of settling.

However, I do think that the ‘new order’ of buying vehicles will no longer be on lots, it will be made to order, which we’re already seen that happen right now with major dealerships, which in turn, it’s saving these dealerships money by not needing as many employees, and it’s proving to be more efficient for the consumer. The only vehicles you’ll see on lots I suspect in the future, will be ‘tester’ vehicles.
 
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I have always been a Ford Explorer guy. They have a plug in hybrid I will be looking at next year. I work from home and rarely drive more than 10 miles a day, if that. And the Ford has a 15 mile electric only range. If I plug it in every night, I will rarely use the gas. Theoretically.
look at the Hyundai Tucson PHEV, 33mi range. Got one for my wife in December, love it!
 
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