Thank mate. I’ll oblige tomorrow.Looks really nice mate, never seen a red and black combo before. Can’t beat German design when it comes to cars. Will be cool to see the interior when you do some more pics.
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. Will be cool to see the interior when you do some more pics.
All the used cars will still be on dealerships forecourts like they are now I would have thought. They are full of used approved cars as those vehicles have to go somewhere when they are part exchanged and most people don’t buy new. I’d never buy a brand new car personally as I can’t justify losing 10 grand in the first 12 months when I can buy a car a couple of years old with 20k on the clock and massively cheaper. The EV market will force the used market even more than ever I think.
Although I do agree, cars aren’t losing value as much as they used to though, where they’re actually retaining/gaining value, especially here in North America.
There is depreciation on a new vehicle, but now, even a one or two-year-old vehicle is worth more than the MSRP of when it was actually manufactured. And this is a an occurrence across many brands and trim levels.
There’s a colleague that I know that has a 2020 GMC Denali pick up (3.0l diesel/10 speed Allison transmission), it has 45,000 miles on the odometer and it’s worth more than he paid for it right now from two years ago. He would actually make money on the vehicle if he sold it today. Making money on used vehicles was a rarity, now it’s a commonality.
I think things will move online for the second hand market more in the future. I had to drive two ours to secure my car.
That’s the same all over the world right now with the price of materials through the roof and the car industry struggling with the output of new cars. I made 3 grand in 9 months on my last car, but we all know this is a short lived phenomenon. Used car prices are starting to creep down again even if very slightly but the phase has started. Materials are starting to come down in price again too which is driving it. Depreciation will return in the future no doubt.
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Really sweet ride..
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We have our new Bolt EV MSRP swap replacement coming in a month or so -- all blacked out...very stoked
I had to get my 3008 from Morecambe too and found it online, but even the online cars are usually at dealerships who advertise online as well as on their forecourt. From your pictures the car was collected from a forecourt with lots of other approved used cars.
Our economy needs used cars to start trickling down in value, that way we can reach a larger swath of sales for consumers who don’t have to pay for over-inflation on a vehicle or buy new. And by that happening, that will also hopefully allow more new vehicles to have less demand if there’s a larger variety of used vehicles for consumers to choose from and not be ‘forced’ to buy new. Not only that, with the way inflation is, I don’t think average consumers can really afford to buy new vehicles right now, which is another reason why a large part of our population is holding onto their used vehicles, because they financially can’t go in either direction of selling their current vehicle or buying new. But of course, it depends on how frugal someone is, their financial situation, and is it totally necessary that they need to sell their used car. This is one of the reasons of why our market is so unstable.
Among the housing market, auto market and commodity goods (I.e-Retail, grocery, ect.) I’d like to see the auto market pan out faster, because it’s changing so quickly right now with the influence of high fuel prices and EV’s making headway.
It was. I suppose back in the day you just chose what was at your local dealership. Now you have more choice and can look online. Lots of the dealers have places up and down the country, so will move cars around if needs be. They had two other i3’s for sale. But as neither had the full leather I was after, I didn’t even look at them.
But at a Tesla supercharger I can fill up 250 miles of juice for free; at home it costs 11¢/kWh which is about $4.50 to fill up.You'll find gas stations along those routes too.
Correct.
But I was talking about charging away from home...
If you go back... I originally asked if gas stations offered EV charging yet.
There are gas stations everywhere... but I keep hearing that there aren't enough EV charging stations.
So... put the two ideas together.
Just a thought.
And yes... I know the Tesla Supercharger Network is amazing. Unfortunately... not every EV in the world will be built by Tesla.
So we're gonna need more EV charging stations for everyone else.
(And also yes... I know about charging at home. Again... I'm talking about charging on the road away from home...)
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This is just not true. There is plenty of EV charging spots, heck Teslas will plan the best trip for your route.
Request destination route, charging, if needed is scheduled. Could not be any easier.
Try it yourself. Let me know if you see something different than I do. I live in Florida ( lower Alabama ), we are about as hillbilly as you can get. Nearest Apple Store is 5 hours away in New Orleans, Nearest Tesla is in Tampa, I think, maybe New Orleans and we can easily travel anywhere without worry about charging. Heck, the chargers are open while I see the weekend gassers sitting and jockeying for position at the busy bee with something like 28 fuel pumps. EVs are in and out in 20 minutes, about the same as waiting in line for fuel, bathroom and snacks, but costs much less.
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I would suspect these only near big highway gas stations, most EVs charge at home for cost savings over the superchargers. The gas stations closest to the highways typically charge a premium that locals do not want to pay, thus freeing up those extra two fuel pumps for the road tripping EVs.
I understand your point, and it is certainly not the best solution for all fueling stations.
In the U.K. other cars can charge at Tesla superchargers. That Only started to happen in the last week or so though.Correct.
But I was talking about charging away from home...
If you go back... I originally asked if gas stations offered EV charging yet.
There are gas stations everywhere... but I keep hearing that there aren't enough EV charging stations.
So... put the two ideas together.
Just a thought.
And yes... I know the Tesla Supercharger Network is amazing. Unfortunately... not every EV in the world will be built by Tesla.
So we're gonna need more EV charging stations for everyone else.
(And also yes... I know about charging at home. Again... I'm talking about charging on the road away from home...)
This is just not true. There is plenty of EV charging spots, heck Teslas will plan the best trip for your route.
Request destination route, charging, if needed is scheduled. Could not be any easier.
Try it yourself. Let me know if you see something different than I do. I live in Florida ( lower Alabama ), we are about as hillbilly as you can get. Nearest Apple Store is 5 hours away in New Orleans, Nearest Tesla is in Tampa, I think, maybe New Orleans and we can easily travel anywhere without worry about charging. Heck, the chargers are open while I see the weekend gassers sitting and jockeying for position at the busy bee with something like 28 fuel pumps. EVs are in and out in 20 minutes, about the same as waiting in line for fuel, bathroom and snacks, but costs much less.
Go Anywhere | Tesla
Stay charged anywhere you go, with access to our global charging networks. Explore a route and we’ll find the best locations to keep you charged along the way and upon arrival.
I don't plan on getting a Tesla. Musk isn't getting jack from me.
I don’t know man, I don’t buy products or base my judgment on what I’m going to spend my money on because ‘I don’t like the CEO’, or a specific person behind a company. It’s no different than someone says ‘I’m not buying an iPhone, because ‘I don’t like Tim Cook’. I buy a product for the experience, and I’m not brand devoted to anyone Company or brand, as I own a myriad of products across loads manufacturers.
Anyways, my point really is, Tesla I think isn’t really about the highest quality control across their product line, (Although I don’t have any complaints with the Model S), but it really is about the immersion and experience as a whole with the technology that creates a convenience factor, but also delivers such a seamless drive from what we are all used to with internal combustion.
This isn’t about politics, because I’m not interested in that, I’m just pointing out that if I really wanted something, and I knew it would execute and deliver a quality experience, I wouldn’t let ‘XYZ person’ stand in the way that is employed by a company, if that product could benefit my lifestyle.
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Me either. Too many things I not like about their cars. Great battery. Great charging network.
Poor design, build quality and price point.
It can be based on that when there are alternative products out there. I don't care about the politics, but the guy is a massive hypocrite. Complains about free speech, yet has often pressured Chinese censors to block anti-Tesla comments.
And there should be alternatives.
Tech continually evolves through competition, which pushes manufacturers to strategize. We’re reaching a point where all manufacturers are dabbling into this industry, we need a larger array of price points, more than just ‘2’ trim models and expanded EV infrastructure with improved roadways. None of which will readily mature until the end of this decade for that to happen. That, and a stable economy where the workforce is healthy. All in due time. I’m optimistic about it.
Did those of you who already bought an EV have a 240-volt outlet put in your garage? I know that, at a minimum, you need your designated outlet for charging the car on its own circuit. 120-volt is slower, but does that present any problems?
Yes for the first EV, and no for my second. I had a 240v EVSE installed (hard-wired, not a plug-in) when I got my 2012 Nissan LEAF. Nissan was pretty adamant about getting this as a condition of “allowing” me to buy the LEAF. When I added my Tesla Model 3 in 2018 the EVSE was already there and works well to charge both vehicles. The EVSE has a J1772 nozzle which fits directly into the LEAF. My Tesla came with a J1772 adapter so the same EVSE will work to charge that car. Max rate is 32amps which will charge the Tesla from about 20% to my standard 70% in just a few hours.
Electrical codes are standardized at the national level in the US but states and municipalities can add their own twists as well. Before using or adding any circuits with high continuous load devices like an EV, check with either a locally-licensed electrician or your municipality’s permitting folks. For my 32amp-max EVSE, I needed a circuit that provided 40amps but I went with a 50amp circuit mostly because I like to over-engineer things; for me that was a separate 240v circuit (two 120v breakers) with appropriately-sized wiring for the amperage and distance from the circuit breaker. Remember that the purpose of the circuit breaker is to protect the wiring, not the devices plugged in, so breaker and wire sizes are critical to the load they have to carry.
No if you don’t need much of a charge, absolutely yes if you do. Totally dependent upon how much “fuel” you need to drive the next day. This is a huge case of YMMV.
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With the 120V adapter that came with our Model Y (no longer included), it adds about 4 miles of range per hour. We got a Tesla Wall Connector installed (60A breaker to support 48A continuous), and it will add about 40 miles of range per hour. We were fine for a few months with 120V (110-mile round-trip commute, but only a couple times a week), but the real charger was easily worth it.
The cost was around $1150 (550 for the wall connector, since reduced to 400; 600 for install), and we got a 30 percent tax credit on that amount (no longer in force unless it gets renewed). Our panel is in the garage, but the install (to where we wanted it) required running up into the attic above the garage, diagonally across to an opposite corner, and then down.
While a hardwired installation looks nicer, I prefer a 240 V outlet with a plug-in charger because it is easier to replace if needed.
If you already have a laundry dryer and don't want to install new wiring, thee are splitter devices that let you charge the car when the dryer is not running:
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If you already have a laundry dryer and don't want to install new wiring, thee are splitter devices that let you charge the car when the dryer is not running:
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Hypocrites are also people who oppose and vote against efforts to expand EV infrastructure, then turn around and say we can't switch to EV's because there is not enough infrastructure.
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