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bunnspecial

macrumors G3
May 3, 2014
8,353
6,496
Kentucky
Bunns, please tell us more. ;)
Photo of the front + dial details. I smell an early April 1st here....

My photo of the dial was less than great, and I was holding off showing it until I had time to redo it.

In any case, here's a quick iPhone snap of it.

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This is the typical dial and hand combination associated with high grade 18 size Illinois watches like the Bunn and Bunn Special. The signature font is something that-if you see it-there's a good chance of there being a high grade movement behind it. The "Old English" numeral font is also distinctive although there are some variations on it-many have to do with the shape of the 4. I'm not well versed enough in them to say with certainty what is and isn't correct for this movement serial number. This dial has one hairline around 7:00.

The 24J Bunn Special movements are an interesting species, and the three "extra" jewels beyond 21 are of questionable value. Using a cap and hole jewel combination gives significantly less friction and better controlled endshake than a simple hole jewel, and no one really questions their value on the fastest moving parts on the watch-the balance wheel(always capped on jeweled American watches), escape wheel, and pallet fork. The 4th wheel directly drives the second hand(i.e. the pivot sticks up through the dial and the second hand attaches to it) so it's not suitable for a cap jewel. Instead, Illinois chose to cap the 3rd wheel-considering that it rotates once every couple of minutes and the endshake isn't as critical as it is on the escape wheel or balance, these jewels are considered superfluous.

The really fun one, though, is the one on the barrel bridge. This one is only functional during winding. Even though it's not unheard of for the barrel to develop some sideshake in a well worn and poorly maintained watch, it's still of questionable functional value.

Illinois later made a 23j Bunn Special in which the mainspring barrel is jeweled around the center arbor-a place where it DOES serve functional value, and was normal for 23j(and even 19j) watches from most makers. In later years, Illinois started using motor barrels(a specific design of mainspring barrel) on the 16 size Bunn, Bunn Special, and Sangamo Special. When jeweled(23j total) the jewel is a lot more visible than on the watches.

Interestingly enough, 18 size 23j Bunn Specials are somewhat less common than the 24j variant, but in similar condition sell for less than the 24j counterparts. The big, sexy ruby in a big gold setting on the 24j is too much for most collectors to pass up.

One last thought-Illinois did make a 26j Bunn Special. Most were marked either Ben Franklin or Pennsylvania Special, although factory marked ones exist. These had all the jewels of the 24j plus the internally jeweled barrel. There were somewhere around 300 total listed in the factory records, although there's debate as to whether or not all were made(I lean towards no). A quick check of Jones-Horan-one of the major horological auction houses-shows most 26j watches bringing high 4 figure or low 5 figure prices.
 

Mr Kram

macrumors 68020
Oct 1, 2008
2,388
1,239
that's actually pretty good for an older watch that needs service. i have a buddy with a pocket watch converted to a wrist watch, but it is odd by minutes within a few hours. he probably needs a full overhaul.
 

bunnspecial

macrumors G3
May 3, 2014
8,353
6,496
Kentucky
Several minutes a day would concern me that it needs something beyond a service to put it right. The simplest explanation would be that it's been magnetized, which is an easy fix. Aside from that, I'd take a close look at the hairspring, balance wheel, and balance staff. It's possible that the balance and hairspring are mismatched, or someone has really screwed with the balance wheel.

If a good RR watch is off by more than a minute or two a day, I get worried. I've had Hamilton 992Bs that would hold a few seconds a week.
 

npolly0212

macrumors 65816
Sep 21, 2015
1,374
463
Very Nice, enjoy!
Thank you! I plan to!

good watch with quality features....especially at that price point. i'm a sucker for dive style watches...especially ones with a white dial. please post pic when you get it.
Yeah I have only heard good things about this brand! Total price was 160 with shipping charges and the 40% off code if you are looking for one ;).

But I am actually out of the US for the next two months, so will have my girlfriend model it with pictures when it arrives at her house! Lol
 

Huffboys1

macrumors member
Feb 6, 2018
41
15
Thank you! I plan to!


Yeah I have only heard good things about this brand! Total price was 160 with shipping charges and the 40% off code if you are looking for one ;).

But I am actually out of the US for the next two months, so will have my girlfriend model it with pictures when it arrives at her house! Lol
hard to beat for $160.
 
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CooperBox

macrumors 68000
My photo of the dial was less than great, and I was holding off showing it until I had time to redo it.

In any case, here's a quick iPhone snap of it.

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This is the typical dial and hand combination associated with high grade 18 size Illinois watches like the Bunn and Bunn Special. The signature font is something that-if you see it-there's a good chance of there being a high grade movement behind it. The "Old English" numeral font is also distinctive although there are some variations on it-many have to do with the shape of the 4. I'm not well versed enough in them to say with certainty what is and isn't correct for this movement serial number. This dial has one hairline around 7:00.

The 24J Bunn Special movements are an interesting species, and the three "extra" jewels beyond 21 are of questionable value. Using a cap and hole jewel combination gives significantly less friction and better controlled endshake than a simple hole jewel, and no one really questions their value on the fastest moving parts on the watch-the balance wheel(always capped on jeweled American watches), escape wheel, and pallet fork. The 4th wheel directly drives the second hand(i.e. the pivot sticks up through the dial and the second hand attaches to it) so it's not suitable for a cap jewel. Instead, Illinois chose to cap the 3rd wheel-considering that it rotates once every couple of minutes and the endshake isn't as critical as it is on the escape wheel or balance, these jewels are considered superfluous.

The really fun one, though, is the one on the barrel bridge. This one is only functional during winding. Even though it's not unheard of for the barrel to develop some sideshake in a well worn and poorly maintained watch, it's still of questionable functional value.

Illinois later made a 23j Bunn Special in which the mainspring barrel is jeweled around the center arbor-a place where it DOES serve functional value, and was normal for 23j(and even 19j) watches from most makers. In later years, Illinois started using motor barrels(a specific design of mainspring barrel) on the 16 size Bunn, Bunn Special, and Sangamo Special. When jeweled(23j total) the jewel is a lot more visible than on the watches.

Interestingly enough, 18 size 23j Bunn Specials are somewhat less common than the 24j variant, but in similar condition sell for less than the 24j counterparts. The big, sexy ruby in a big gold setting on the 24j is too much for most collectors to pass up.

One last thought-Illinois did make a 26j Bunn Special. Most were marked either Ben Franklin or Pennsylvania Special, although factory marked ones exist. These had all the jewels of the 24j plus the internally jeweled barrel. There were somewhere around 300 total listed in the factory records, although there's debate as to whether or not all were made(I lean towards no). A quick check of Jones-Horan-one of the major horological auction houses-shows most 26j watches bringing high 4 figure or low 5 figure prices.

Bunns,
Thanks for the very in-depth description. Very impressive indeed. A definite keeper.:)
 

Tsuchiya

macrumors 68020
Jun 7, 2008
2,310
372
I recently purchased this Hamilton for myself to wear when my Apple Watch felt out of place. I've been debating it for a while, and after seeing my brother with a similar one, decided that it was time. It's lovely, though at 42mm, I can't help but feel that it is too large for my wrist.

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Huffboys1

macrumors member
Feb 6, 2018
41
15
I recently purchased this Hamilton for myself to wear when my Apple Watch felt out of place. I've been debating it for a while, and after seeing my brother with a similar one, decided that it was time. It's lovely, though at 42mm, I can't help but feel that it is too large for my wrist.

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Khakis are really nice affordable mechanical watches. 42 mm is my preference for watch size.
 

npolly0212

macrumors 65816
Sep 21, 2015
1,374
463
I recently purchased this Hamilton for myself to wear when my Apple Watch felt out of place. I've been debating it for a while, and after seeing my brother with a similar one, decided that it was time. It's lovely, though at 42mm, I can't help but feel that it is too large for my wrist.

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This is a nice one! Have been trying to get a hamilton myself!
 

TheDoubler55

macrumors 6502
Oct 21, 2011
340
165
Here ya guys go. since I am out of the country I had my girlfriend open it up and model it for me to see how nice it looks! lol
Love it! Very nice, tell the girlfriend Thanks!
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I recently purchased this Hamilton for myself to wear when my Apple Watch felt out of place. I've been debating it for a while, and after seeing my brother with a similar one, decided that it was time. It's lovely, though at 42mm, I can't help but feel that it is too large for my wrist.

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Nice Hammy, reliable time piece.
 

npolly0212

macrumors 65816
Sep 21, 2015
1,374
463
Just picked up another Deep Blue (Love these things) and have a few other lower end pieces (Onis, Armand Basi, Simplify, and a few other pieces!) coming in the next few days
 
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