iPad mini Whose retuning their iPad 6?

[Zazoh]

Typical MacRumors thread.

I bought a mini and wow it is small.
I bought an iPad 12.9 and wow it’s heavy.
I’m in a dark room and have my brightness on full, I see light bleed.
Im wearing a red shirt at sundown and my True Tone is kinda red.
If I scroll 10 times faster than the screen can refresh it isn’t smooth.

Hint: take your iPad out of the box and use it in normal conditions, you’ll be much happier.

Also, don’t walk around your new car looking for defects. You’ll find them.

Came from an iPad Air Gen 3, love the new mini as its replacement. Use almost exclusively in portrait mode and thumb-typing is great.

It is the best size for couch and bedtime use.

 

[Cutterschoice]

Typical MacRumors thread.

I bought a mini and wow it is small.
I bought an iPad 12.9 and wow it’s heavy.
I’m in a dark room and have my brightness on full, I see light bleed.
Im wearing a red shirt at sundown and my True Tone is kinda red.
If I scroll 10 times faster than the screen can refresh it isn’t smooth.

Hint: take your iPad out of the box and use it in normal conditions, you’ll be much happier.

Also, don’t walk around your new car looking for defects. You’ll find them.

Came from an iPad Air Gen 3, love the new mini as its replacement. Use almost exclusively in portrait mode and thumb-typing is great.

It is the best size for couch and bedtime use.

Don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make, you’re saying you’d pay a ton of money for something and ignore the fact it has issues?
In the iPad mini’s case, it’s the way the screen refreshes causing texts to look distorted.

I went for the mini, not only because of the size but because of Apple’s quality, history of aiming for a better product. If I wanted lesser quality there are cheaper options, I don’t expect a 60hz screen issue when we’re living in a world where the standard is quickly becoming far greater.

I returned mine, as I didnt have to look for issues that would annoy me, it became apparent within about 5min of using it. The thing you stare at when using the mini is of poor quality for the price.

 

[sparksd]

Definitely keeping mine - I like it and the jelly scroll is really imperceptible to me. Is the screen as good as my 2021 12.9? No, but I didn't expect that and I don't have issues with how it looks.

 

[Rafterman]

Don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make, you’re saying you’d pay a ton of money for something and ignore the fact it has issues?
In the iPad mini’s case, it’s the way the screen refreshes causing texts to look distorted.

I went for the mini, not only because of the size but because of Apple’s quality, history of aiming for a better product. If I wanted lesser quality there are cheaper options, I don’t expect a 60hz screen issue when we’re living in a world where the standard is quickly becoming far greater.

I returned mine, as I didnt have to look for issues that would annoy me, it became apparent within about 5min of using it. The thing you stare at when using the mini is of poor quality for the price.

The point the poster is making is that some people are using these things in un-natural ways, just to see defects.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Hmm...

It hasn't been exactly nice since I received it.

I got it on the Big Friday along with so many others, and figured I'd set it up on Saturday. It went off the rails from the start. I set it up as 'New', to avoid the Music Bug I'd read mentioned, and it seemed to go well. Then I tried to setup my iCloud email. And things went sideways and got stuck in a ditch. I kept getting the setup for Mail circling around on the Verify bit. I restored it twice, and finally texted Apple Support. A half hour into that and they said it would have to be escalated, and someone would have to call me. I waited a couple of minutes and the phone rang, and I was talking to someone who had no clue what was going on, but got up to speed quickly, and remoted in to the Mini. We did a number of things, and even power cycled it a few times, and nothing worked. He remoted in to my iPhone and saw how it was setup, and then into my MBP the Mini was connected to, and then back to the Mini. We restored it again, and tried some other things. We restored it again, and tried something else. Eventually, after spending over 2 hours on it, it was setup and I was receiving/sending email.

Then he offered me a 'gift' for my trouble. An iPhone battery pack. I don't have an iPhone that it would work on, so I suggested a 'Smart Folio' for the Mini. He couldn't send that for some reason. Then he suggested an Apple Pencil, which is close to twice the (retail) price. So I have another Apple Pencil (three if I ever find the wayward one) and got the 'case' from Amazon later in the week.

But it was a strange and kinda weird issue. I've never had that much trouble getting iCloud email to setup before. And Apple support gifts? And no to the 'Smart Folio'? Is the margin that slim on that, and that large on the Pencil? It just seemed strange...

The TiMOVO case is pretty awesome. It has an actual tray for the Pencil to hide in, rather than the flappy rubber bit on the Otterbox case I have for the IPP. That flappy bit drives me crazy, BTW... (Wondering what Otterbox comes up with for the Mini. Hopefully no 'flappy bit')


BUT: Back to the setup issue. I can only assume that it's an ipadOS issue. Has anyone else had that happen? I was wondering if some traps from the previous attempt survived the restore process. I wouldn't also think it was my account that caused the issue, but who knows. Haven't seen the scrolling issue, but just read books and mail on it, so far.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

The point the poster is making is that some people are using these things in un-natural ways, just to see defects.

Unnatural ways? I really don't want to know...

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

see this video of my Mini world usage. I’m not asking for perfection, but come on…

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Sorry, I don't see it. Not trying to be difficult... I'll check YouTube.

Trying to remember... Didn't Windows have an issue in the beginning when they came out with their 'smooth scrolling' feature for their web browser? I think it was Microsnuff. It was all jerky, and looked like it was chunks of text flowing down and across the screen. Or was it Mozilla/FireFox/Mosaic? I remember one of them had it, and it was really very bad. Supposedly giving people headaches and vertigo. I remember seeing it, and it was just nasty. Turning off 'smooth scrolling' had it usable again, but they eventually (obviously) fixed it. Smooth scrolling is just the way it always should have been all along.

 

[ScanTheNavian]

Also, don’t walk around your new car looking for defects. You’ll find them.

Hey everyone, don't care about fixing your car's tires if they wobble when you drive!

 

[tpfang56]

It’s done and has been returned ?.

While at the apple store, I played a bit with the air and pro. The degree of jelly rolling seemed similar in the air, but it didn’t look as bad when in landscape and on a bigger/wider screen. The pro 11” had it in portrait instead, but the ProMotion really helped greatly reduce the effect.

Man… before all this I didn’t quite understand the desire for an ipad mini pro—it seemed insanely niche—but… I get it now. If apple insists on keeping the scan-skew in portrait mode where it’s extra visible, ProMotion is basically a must to keep it reasonable looking. If not, they should’ve just kept it in landscape like they used to.

 

[eneisch]

I’m keeping mine. Can I see the jelly scroll? Yes. Do I flick my screen up and down quickly in normal use? No.

The jelly scroll is not really noticeable to me if I am scrolling at my normal speeds.

I like the size and find it easier to take with me than the 12.9 and the battery on my 10.5 pro has always a had issues so i don’t use it too often nowadays.

 

[Zazoh]

Don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make, you’re saying you’d pay a ton of money for something and ignore the fact it has issues?

No. ?

Im saying many here use their devices in unrealistic conditions expecting impossible results.

I don’t have the problems you folks are describing.

 

[TiggrToo]

just did

Every iPad mini has it whether you see or don't

Citations for this claim required.

 

[Cutterschoice]

No. ?

Im saying many here use their devices in unrealistic conditions expecting impossible results.

I don’t have the problems you folks are describing.

Think I’ll just leave it, I still can’t make sense of what you’re trying to say.
If you’re happy that’s great though Apple will be happy too.

 

[ofarlig]

Citations for this claim required.

The laws of physics. Given how we build displays not all pixels will update at the same time and thus some will be behind others when scrolling. So his claim is not only valid for every iPad Mini but every iPad and even every LCD or OLED display.

 

[Radon87000]

Citations for this claim required.

Apple have themselves said all iPad minis have it.

 

[Hello...]

just did

Every iPad mini has it whether you see or don't

Trust me I’ve looked for it others have to and some do not see it I don’t believe everyone has it

 

[ofarlig]

Trust me I’ve looked for it others have to and some do not see it I don’t believe everyone has it

It would be literally impossible for it to not have it since every LCD/OLED display will have it to some degree. What is likely is that you (and the people you shown it to) just cannot see it, I would be surprised if a majority of the population could see it. There are a number of things that need to line up with how we follow objects, how much tracking we have when watching moving stuff and so on.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Forgive me, but the videos I've seen show the screen action severely reduced in speed. If you have to artificially change the surroundings and process to 'see it', are people being too picky? iFixit says that even the IPP has it, slightly, so do some other brands. (IMO This isn't the 'Parallax vertigo' issue that I was hit with coincidentally on a plane trip. THAT was nasty and very pronounced (for me))

*shrug* Unless it does something more onerous, I can't see returning it.

I was disappointed to hear that the Magnificent Bionic Chip is throttled, but they need to find a use for chips that fail testing, don't they? Is that enough to return it? No...

I'm unconvinced, and not too impressed with the hoopla. I'm sure people can find lots of things wrong with just about anything if they look hard enough. Again: *shrug*

 

[MrGimper]

Forgive me, but the videos I've seen show the screen action severely reduced in speed. If you have to artificially change the surroundings and process to 'see it', are people being too picky? iFixit says that even the IPP has it, slightly, so do some other brands. (IMO This isn't the 'Parallax vertigo' issue that I was hit with coincidentally on a plane trip. THAT was nasty and very pronounced (for me))

*shrug* Unless it does something more onerous, I can't see returning it.

I was disappointed to hear that the Magnificent Bionic Chip is throttled, but they need to find a use for chips that fail testing, don't they? Is that enough to return it? No...

I'm unconvinced, and not too impressed with the hoopla. I'm sure people can find lots of things wrong with just about anything if they look hard enough. Again: *shrug*

That’s because most video upload sites will mess with the quality and frame rate. You don’t need to do anything artificial to see it, if your eyes are tuned to see it. Some people don’t see it.

It’s the same as watching a YouTube video about the Pro device screens and asserting that ProMotion is useless because you can’t see the difference in the video.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

That’s because most video upload sites will mess with the quality and frame rate. You don’t need to do anything artificial to see it, if your eyes are tuned to see it. Some people don’t see it.

It’s the same as watching a YouTube video about the Pro device screens and asserting that ProMotion is useless because you can’t see the difference in the video.

Hah! I love to hear 'The color looks different on the website.' Well, DUH... It's a website, and the $5,000 monitor they used to check the color looked MAAAVELOUS!!!

And cringe when people critique TV shows reproduced on YouTube. Again: Well, DUH...

I've been sensitive to some of the earlier first gen LCD monitors. It's all in what you can see that you aren't really supposed to see.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Hmm...

I just did a Slo-Mo video of my Mini scrolling both directions, in both layouts, and it all looks like it's just the line above, or below, disappearing as the screen scrolls and is consistent across the screen. I used the Wikipedia app, and have the 'dark' theme.

Is the app handling the screen different, or is it the dark theme, or does the iPhone 11 pro max want to make the Mini look good. *shrug* I didn't see the diagonal tearing that the iFixit videos clearly shows. *shrug*

Tried in Safari, and it still looks like it's jump scrolling whole lines of text. If the jumping is the problem, it's not likely to go away unless they really slow down the scrolling process.

 

[TiggrToo]

The laws of physics. Given how we build displays not all pixels will update at the same time and thus some will be behind others when scrolling. So his claim is not only valid for every iPad Mini but every iPad and even every LCD or OLED display.

That's not a citation. Given that this only seems to be reported as affecting the new Mini...

 

[TiggrToo]

Apple have themselves said all iPad minis have it.

No, they didn't say that. Find me the actual statement from Apple - not a statement from 3rd parties that this was what Apple said.

So far everyone's posted "Apple said..." but I've not seen the actual quote.

And MR quoted Ars that stated Apple stating the behavior is "normal for LCD screens" - a far cry from your statement that it's a Mini 6 issue.

And here's the problem. Even YOU got it wrong here.

 

[ascender]

So I've been on the fence about this, but its now becoming one of my favourite devices. Its reminding me exactly what is great about the iPad and I love the form factor despite IOS not having been adapted for it.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

The laws of physics. Given how we build displays not all pixels will update at the same time and thus some will be behind others when scrolling. So his claim is not only valid for every iPad Mini but every iPad and even every LCD or OLED display.

There is a high degree of consistency between elements on a screen. About the only thing people still sometimes experience are 'dead' elements. I remember, back in the stone ages of flat screens having dead elements, 'slow' elements, etc. Now, it's almost unheard of to have a dead element, and 'dead' really isn't true, in the literal sense anyway.

Every device that shows anything on it scrolls on just about the same way. It's the speed of that scrolling, and the required updates, that are in question here, not the speed of each exact pixel element. The driver boards are apparently designed to 'favor' a certain scrolling direction for a given format. (and is it the throttled A-15 that's causing some of this? The specs sounded almost too good to be true, and perhaps they were?). The Mini does apparently scroll very well in the landscape format, from what I gather. Maybe we should all use it in that format. Maybe Apple needs to bring out a Smart Keyboard for the Mini so that it can relax, leisurely, in landscape mode and scrolling will be fantastic. I think I'd like a Smart Keyboard accessory for the Mini. (Not sure I'd want to pay for it, but it would be pretty awesome, having just gotten my IPP on the dirt cheap Smart Keyboard I bought at Worst Try) But I still feel that if I have to slow the scrolling down to glacial speeds, I seriously doubt I'd notice it as much as some make it out to be. I read ebooks, I don't sit and scroll massive documents on the thing. (It's too small, for one thing) But it's perfect for me to read my new favorite book in bed. The scrolling isn't an issue as the whole page flips at once. *shrug* I'm happy with it, so far, although setting it up was a bit of a mess, but I got a free Apple Pencil out of it...