Other why didn't apple just leave leave a top bezel instead of the notch?

[FFR]

I'm only replying to the post that you are not getting more but less usable screen area (especially landscape) with notch at the same screen size.

And you dont get a smaller phone either with notch. e.g.

surface to screen area ratio
XS max = 18.91 / 15.7 = 1.20
Note 9 = 19.17 / 16.0 = 1.20

Your confusing display size with surface area two different metrics they are not interchangeable.

Thought this thread is about notch and top bezel

I dont like the notch. It looks out of place and non-symmetical.

The point is you can do away with the notch without losing anything.

The note 9/s9 isn’t symmetrical either with its bezels. Forehead is deeper than the chin.

 

[jona2125]

I see two options. Make the phone taller or the screen smaller. Both lose something. What am I missing? How do you eliminate it without losing anything?

With this, straight barring an artificial border in the OS

Keeps the same screen availability that isn't dedicated to notifications, provides the notifications their same home, and because of the OLED display it essentially eliminates the notch appearance entirely. Content doesn't travel above the bottom of the notch anyway so why appropriate the distraction it can cause. And yes I have and use these phones daily and it's still constantly there to me. Seems like a valid compromise for everyone.

 

[MEJHarrison]

With this, straight barring an artificial border in the OS

The post I was replying to made the claim the they (Apple) could get rid of the notch. That's not getting rid of it.

 

[jona2125]

The post I was replying to made the claim the they (Apple) could get rid of the notch. That's not getting rid of it.

True I get what you mean. I was just referencing this would be like the LG approach to keeping hardware involved but providing something as compensation by adding a secondary display area (notification "ears") to make up for an otherwise intrusive layout.

 

[MEJHarrison]

True I get what you mean. I was just referencing this would be like the LG approach to keeping hardware involved but providing something as compensation by adding a secondary display area (notification "ears") to make up for an otherwise intrusive layout.

Regardless, I don't see Apple doing that. You lose the illusion of an edge-to-edge screen. Sure, it's still screen up there. But now it doesn't look like it. Last year I was all for that idea. After a year with the X, I honestly don't think I'd care for that look. It just appears too much like a bezel for my tastes. And it throws off the symmetry. Still, that does seem to be the best compromise available. I'd have no issues (just like last year) if that was an option for people. Just remember, if that part of the OLED screen stays black all the time, you'll get uneven wear if you ever allow other content (photos, videos, etc) in that area.

 

[Knowimagination]

There is no room in a notch for battery - the notch is the notch because it needs the cameras/sensors/etc. Ridiculous statement.

Maybe before you call a statement ridiculous you should make sure you understand it.

What they are saying is that if you use a full bezel and there is no screen on the sides of the notch than the info that is currently displayed in the wings would have to be displayed below the bezel taking away more screen real estate.

The way apple is currently doing it actually creates more useable space than if they didn’t have the wings.

 

[Fusionskies]

I'd rather have the notch than a chin, and I'm going to be a bit controversial and say I kinda like the notch, it gives the iPhone character imo.

 

[mib1800]

Maybe before you call a statement ridiculous you should make sure you understand it.

What they are saying is that if you use a full bezel and there is no screen on the sides of the notch than the info that is currently displayed in the wings would have to be displayed below the bezel taking away more screen real estate.

The way apple is currently doing it actually creates more useable space than if they didn’t have the wings.

A lot of ifans are confused that you get more screen space with notch but you don't. In fact you get less because the notch is 2x height of what is needed. See illustration below.

EDIT:

On the right, if you cut out the "status bar" strip (i.e. make screen smaller), the usable screen area is the same as the notch one. The space saved from the status bar + a few millimeter additional you can put the sensors. With the notch it is like giving away 8mm screen height to gain 4mm reduction in phone height. Having notch seems like a minus. Not to mention the screen cutout when viewing landscape video.

 

[MEJHarrison]

A lot of ifans are confused that you get more screen space with notch but you don't. In fact you get less because the notch is 2x height of what is needed. See illustration below.

I'm lost. Where did all the hardware go in the picture on the right? Where are you putting the earpiece, front facing camera, ambient light sensor, dot projector, etc? And how is the notch twice as high as it needs to be? I'm not sure I understand your drawing.

On the right, if you cut out the "status bar" strip (i.e. make screen smaller), the usable screen area is the same as the notch one. The space saved from the status bar + a few millimeter additional you can put the sensors.

So you remove the sensors and put the status bar there. Then you say you can remove the status bar and put the sensors there. Where does the status bar end up? You removed it for the sensors. Either it needs to take some of the usable screen area or it need to be split up and put beside the sensors.

Also, you say the sensor bar is twice as high as it needs to be. So you put a status bar there that is half the height. Then you remove the status bar, add a little space and put the sensors there.

It sounds like you're completely redesigning the phone and pretty much putting things back the way they started.

I'm really lost.
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Not to mention the screen cutout when viewing landscape video.

Oh dear. So you're fine tossing out the top and bottom of your picture so you can zoom in and fill your screen. But you're upset that part of the picture is missing. Not the part you lost when you zoomed in, but a little over on the side. I really never understood this argument.

 

[mib1800]

I'm lost. Where did all the hardware go in the picture on the right? Where are you putting the earpiece, front facing camera, ambient light sensor, dot projector, etc? And how is the notch twice as high as it needs to be? I'm not sure I understand your drawing.



So you remove the sensors and put the status bar there. Then you say you can remove the status bar and put the sensors there. Where does the status bar end up? You removed it for the sensors. Either it needs to take some of the usable screen area or it need to be split up and put beside the sensors.

Also, you say the sensor bar is twice as high as it needs to be. So you put a status bar there that is half the height. Then you remove the status bar, add a little space and put the sensors there.

It sounds like you're completely redesigning the phone and pretty much putting things back the way they started.

I'm really lost.
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Oh dear. So you're fine tossing out the top and bottom of your picture so you can zoom in and fill your screen. But you're upset that part of the picture is missing. Not the part you lost when you zoomed in, but a little over on the side. I really never understood this argument.

The image is just about the screen ONLY not the phone casing.

I am comparing a 5.8in screen with notch and without. The 5.8in notch screen includes the notch and measured up to ears. Both rectangles are the same height and width. The "ears" is the status bar. But normal status bar height (on a non-notch screen) does not have to be so thick. So you are losing vertical screen area due to notch.

For the non-notch screen, you need additional height above the screen for sensors. But the notch itself cause your viewable area to be reduced by half the notch height. In effects you only save half the notch height for entire phone at the expense of having a notch.

Hope this makes it clearer.

 

[rkoshack]

Honestly I would prefer an all screen design with no notch. And I’m sure that’s apples ultimate plan when it’s feasible. But until then I’d much rather the notch over any top or bottom bezels even small ones like the Samsung models.

Just my opinion but I really think it looks better with the notch than any top/bottom bezels

 

[OTACORB]

The notch doesn’t bother me in the slightest bit. All this fuss is much to do about nothing in my opinion, but to each his/her own.

 

[Shanghaichica]

It is a viable option but I think it would need to be uniform as a bezel at the top would look unbalanced so they would need to have one at the bottom too. This looks fine on Samsung phones and they look nice with their curved displays. However I think the X has a more immersive display.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Hope this makes it clearer.

Not really. You're comparing a 5.8" screen with a notch to a 5.8" screen without. That screen doesn't exist. The non-notched screens are considerably shorter. Your assumption that they're both the same height is wrong.

The sensors have to go somewhere. In the screen or above the screen. I choose in the screen and no bezels. I choose edge-to-edge even if there's a notch vs useless space (in my opinion) above and below the screen.

 

[Breezygirl]

There is no room in a notch for battery - the notch is the notch because it needs the cameras/sensors/etc. Ridiculous statement.

They are talking about the status icons in the notch area like battery, time, WiFi, signal strength symbol... not what’s physically in the notch area like the camera and sensors...

 

[mib1800]

Not really. You're comparing a 5.8" screen with a notch to a 5.85" screen without. That screen doesn't exist. The non-notched screens are considerably shorter. Your assumption that they're both the same height is wrong.

Why you say that?

A 5.8in notched/normal screen (at the same aspect ratio) occupies the same size rectangle. The one with the notch is cut out from this rectangle. That's how the IPX 5.8in screen is measured diagonally. So apple cheated you by cutting out the piece of notch from the screen.

The sensors have to go somewhere. In the screen or above the screen. I choose in the screen and no bezels. I choose edge-to-edge even if there's a notch vs useless space (in my opinion) above and below the screen.

Notch with embedded sensors and top bezel with embedded sensors are both wasted space. It just whether you want that wasted space to encroach into your viewing area or not. I rather have a nice view without the notch at the expense of little extra height of the phone.

 

[JWATT]

Can’t believe this is still debated... I got an X two weeks ago (yes the antiquated last year model) after spending 2 years with a 7+. If there was a bezel on top there would have to be one on bottom as well, otherwise the screen would look totally unbalanced. And people would complain about the bezels anyway... in reality though, you barely notice the notch when you’re using the phone. Everything your eyes need to focus on happen below the notch, even with games, even in landscape mode. As for video, if I want to watch a film or a tv show on my iPhone, I prefer the original aspect ratio cause that’s when the image is zoomed in that I lose content and it has nothing to do with the notch. Apple designed the phone so that the notch wouldn’t get in the way. The truth is it actually doesn’t. And it’s part of the iPhone X’s unique look (and XR, XS and XS Max of course). As always you can’t please everyone. You want bezels on your flagship phone get an android. I don’t hate the notch, I don’t love the notch, the reality is that I don’t care for the notch.

Well said

 

[FFR]

A lot of ifans are confused that you get more screen space with notch but you don't. In fact you get less because the notch is 2x height of what is needed. See illustration below.

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EDIT:

On the right, if you cut out the "status bar" strip (i.e. make screen smaller), the usable screen area is the same as the notch one. The space saved from the status bar + a few millimeter additional you can put the sensors. With the notch it is like giving away 8mm screen height to gain 4mm reduction in phone height. Having notch seems like a minus. Not to mention the screen cutout when viewing landscape video.

You don’t seem to understand the difference between screen area and display size.

You keep using them interchangeably and believe no would notice.


A screen is measured diagonally not horizontally like your trying to show on your Doodle.
You can’t claim a screen is smaller because of a cut out when the cutout DOES NOT impact the screen diagonally.


If you really want an iPhone X’s max because it has a larger and better display than your note 9, go for it.

We all will understand.

 

[jsmith189]

There is no room in a notch for battery - the notch is the notch because it needs the cameras/sensors/etc. Ridiculous statement.

I meant the battery and wifi indicators being built into the notch area/status bar - hence the reference to it.

 

[mib1800]

You don’t seem to understand the difference between screen area and display size.

You keep using them interchangeably and believe no would notice.


A screen is measured diagonally not horizontally like your trying to show on your Doodle.
You can’t claim a screen is smaller because of a cut out when the cutout DOES NOT impact the screen diagonally.


If you really want an iPhone X’s max because it has a larger and better display than your note 9, go for it.

We all will understand.

I'm not claiming anything. It is just you are too blinded to see. What is wrong with the image? Tell us It shows that notch reduces the vertical usable screen height on the same diagonal size. I'm not even talking about area.

And thank you. I want a screen with bigger usable view. And the note9 screen is bigger than xs max in terms usable vertical height as well as area.

 

[kargurin]

What I don't like most about the notch is I can't see battery pct. Always pulling down the tab to see what it is. Don't understand it since there is plenty of space. Notch is fine to me otherwise.

 

[FFR]

I'm not claiming anything. It is just you are too blinded to see. What is wrong with the image? Tell us It shows that notch reduces the vertical usable screen height on the same diagonal size. I'm not even talking about area.

Pretty sure you are and poorly at that.

Display size isn’t hindered by the notch, neither is vertical height as you put it and that has no bearing on display size.

Display size is measured diagonally not vertically like your trying to infer with your little doodle, even with the diagonal line denoting the screens size, which is hilarious because your choosing to ignore it, . You did draw that didn’t you?

The cutout doesn’t affect display size because they left all 4 corners intact, true edge to edge display without a nasty chin. You know because screen size is measure from corner to corner diagonally not vertically.

The cutout doesn’t hinder “vertical height” because iOS always used the top of the display as a status bar. Which is now cut in half and pushed all they way up to corners, where the forehead/ top bezel was located. Which give the iPhone X/Xs/Xs max/xr more space not less.

You do realize even without the notch, the only “vertical usable space” that will be reclaimed is to have the clock back in center, not much usable space there to begin with.

I suspect you will stop once Samsung comes out with a notched phone. At that point you might have a lot of crow to eat after.

And thank you. I want a screen with bigger usable view. And the note9 screen is bigger than xs max in terms usable vertical height as well as area.

6.5 vs 6.4 you can’t spin display size no matter how hard you try.

It’s ok maybe next year samung will release a bigger and better quality display than the iPhone X’s max, but your stuck with a note 9 until then.

Enjoy.



Ps. You think your not talking about area , you keep referring to area as display size and it is hilarious.

By your logic the note 9 is really a 6.1 inch device, because the curved display is not a usable area where the spen doesn’t work.

Your logic cuts both ways.

 

[mib1800]

Pretty sure you are and poorly at that.

Display size isn’t hindered by the notch, neither is vertical height as you put it and that has no bearing on display size.

Display size is measured diagonally not vertically like your trying to infer with your little doodle, even with the diagonal line denoting the screens size, which is hilarious because your choosing to ignore it, . You did draw that didn’t you?

The cutout doesn’t affect display size because they left all 4 corners intact, true edge to edge display without a nasty chin. You know because screen size is measure from corner to corner diagonally not vertically.

The cutout doesn’t hinder “vertical height” because iOS always used the top of the display as a status bar. Which is now cut in half and pushed all they way up to corners, where the forehead/ top bezel was located. Which give the iPhone X/Xs/Xs max/xr more space not less.

You do realize even without the notch, the only “vertical usable space” that will be reclaimed is to have the clock back in center, not much usable space there to begin with.

I suspect you will stop once Samsung comes out with a notched phone. At that point you might have a lot of crow to eat after.



6.5 vs 6.4 you can’t spin display size no matter how hard you try.

It’s ok maybe next year samung will release a bigger and better quality display than the iPhone X’s max, but your stuck with a note 9 until then.

Enjoy.



Ps. You think your not talking about area , you keep referring to area as display size and it is hilarious.

By your logic the note 9 is really a 6.1 inch device, because the curved display is not a usable area where the spen doesn’t work.

Your logic cuts both ways.

You didn't answer what is wrong with my image. .

Imagine cut out or notch is not there. XS status bar height is set too thick. Check your old iphone and what's the thickness of status bar. It is just half as thick.

 

[jamezr]

Nice

With this, straight barring an artificial border in the OS

Keeps the same screen availability that isn't dedicated to notifications, provides the notifications their same home, and because of the OLED display it essentially eliminates the notch appearance entirely. Content doesn't travel above the bottom of the notch anyway so why appropriate the distraction it can cause. And yes I have and use these phones daily and it's still constantly there to me. Seems like a valid compromise for everyone.

.....maybe we could get the battery percentage back because there would be room now.....

 

[FFR]

You didn't answer what is wrong with my image. .

Imagine cut out or notch is not there. XS status bar height is set too thick. Check your old iphone and what's the thickness of status bar. It is just half as thick.

I certainly did. I even explained at as simple as possible regarding the notch. Here read it again.

Pretty sure you are and poorly at that.

Display size isn’t hindered by the notch, neither is vertical height as you put it and that has no bearing on display size.

Display size is measured diagonally not vertically like your trying to infer with your little doodle, even with the diagonal line denoting the screens size, which is hilarious because your choosing to ignore it, . You did draw that didn’t you?

The cutout doesn’t affect display size because they left all 4 corners intact, true edge to edge display without a nasty chin. You know because screen size is measure from corner to corner diagonally not vertically.

The cutout doesn’t hinder “vertical height” because iOS always used the top of the display as a status bar. Which is now cut in half and pushed all they way up to corners, where the forehead/ top bezel was located. Which give the iPhone X/Xs/Xs max/xr more space not less.

You do realize even without the notch, the only “vertical usable space” that will be reclaimed is to have the clock back in center, not much usable space there to begin with.

I suspect you will stop once Samsung comes out with a notched phone. At that point you might have a lot of crow to eat after.



6.5 vs 6.4 you can’t spin display size no matter how hard you try.

It’s ok maybe next year samung will release a bigger and better quality display than the iPhone X’s max, but your stuck with a note 9 until then.

Enjoy.



Ps. You think your not talking about area , you keep referring to area as display size and it is hilarious.

By your logic the note 9 is really a 6.1 inch device, because the curved display is not a usable area where the spen doesn’t work.

Your logic cuts both ways.