Why do some Apple fanboys hate on Android for no reason?

[Bobby Corwen]

To be fair, it is the number one complaint that comes up on forums. "Fragmentation" used to be popular arsenal too, though that has died down some.

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When I swap into landscape mode, spotlight lags (or it's rought or choppy or whatever you prefer). There are videos of this too. I have tried it on a few store displays.

Playing a movie in Safari and swapping to landscape also causes a stutter. I can reproduce this on store displays too. Every time. Playing the same video in another browser (specifically Mercury) does not do this. Obviously this isn't something I can test on a store display, and I am the only person I personally know with a plus. I think that is decent evidence that, at the very least, that one quirk is software related, not hardware.

I don't believe my phone is faulty. I am basing this on my own personal experiences with quite a few devices now (store displays). I am not saying your experiences are wrong or you are lying, but I am saying that my personal experiences are just that, my personal experiences. They are enough for me to whole heartedly believe that the issues I have seen are not related to a fualty device.

You do make a great point, though I don;t know why you made it. Yes, it is reasonable to expect with a new OS that there may be quirks. I am expecting that and it is a valid reason for not expecting Apple to just hand me a new device, I would think.

So try it again right now. Open a youtube video in Safari look at it horizontal, then switch to landscape...

Does it happen every time? I JUST tried it, and was gonna say its forgivable if its not the smoothest because even a mac pro has a pause when it messes with changing resolution or screens...

but i swear it just rotated with the most beautiful and smoothest motion.

Now the spotlight thing i was able to reproduce.

But spotlight is loading something heavy. Its done that since it first was on iPhone, I don't think they can ever fix it or make it smooth lol.

But stuff like that hardly makes it "a thing" to the tune of how people act like the phone isn't the smoothest phone ever in general day to day use.

Its also gonna get patched more and more until eventually its as smooth, stable and bug free as the 5S became. Its just a normal/reasonable software cycle.

 

[lordofthereef]

See Xbox vs Playstation

If I have to read one more PC master race comment I will gouge my eyes out.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

In my experience, Android people hate more on Apple vs the other way around. Maybe it is rooted in insecurity? (as ridiculous as that sounds)

See Xbox vs Playstation, Ford vs Chevy, Coke vs Pepsi, etc for more examples of how product rivalries work.

The bottom line is that they both are very good offerings and the fierce competition yields the best products for us customers.

Why would that sound ridiculous?

That right there is like the root of 90% of all human motivation.

More people should recognize this basic phenomenon for what it is.

 

[lordofthereef]

So try it again right now. Open a youtube video in Safari look at it horizontal, then switch to landscape...

Does it happen every time? I JUST tried it, and was gonna say its forgivable if its not the smoothest...

but i swear it just rotated with the most beautiful and smoothest motion.

The first video that came up was Psy - Gagnam style as a suggestion. I clicked it. Waited for it to start playing. Swapped it over, the sound even hiccuped once, and then started playing.

As far as spotlight, I am not referring to actually searching something. I just swipe down (don;t put anything in search bar), flip into landscape, and it's "jerky". It doesn't bother me nearly as much as the video thing, honestly.

Obviously this whole thing doesn;t bother me enough to get rid of the phone. these are just not compromises I have ever dealt with on iPhones before.

 

[cababah]

Why would that sound ridiculous?

That right there is like the root of 90% of all human motivation.

More people should understand this basic principle.

What I meant by that was that it's ridiculious that someone would have insecurities over smartphones...

 

[Bobby Corwen]

What I meant by that was that it's ridiculious that someone would have insecurities over smartphones...

oh of course lol

 

[Jase718]

Even when I was an Apple fanboy I honestly didn't care about the whole Apple vs Android. I was just happy with the whole Apple ecosystem. Android has its own thing but I didn't hate it. I personally think Android fanboys are more obnoxious than Apple fanboys. It seems to me like everybody cracks on Apple when Apple and there customers just want to go about their day. But that's just me. For the record I think both have pros and cons.

 

[SomeGuyDude]

Its not LAG

Its ROUGHNESS

It can be less smooth without having full on glitches like in the olden days.

I think people think because it was a stigma of being way worse in the past, and it made some progress, that now its just as buttery smooth as iOS has been all of a sudden. Its not.

Its not as bad, but its still not the same as iOS. Its not so smooth that it creates that magical illusion feeling.

You're correct, but that's mainly because iOS masks loading with that animation. The flipside is I've had more iOS apps just kinda... stop for a second or two than ever happened on Android because they just function differently.

Keep in mind I am literally sitting here with both a 6+ and an LG G3, arguably the two best examples of each OS (until the Nexus 6 lands). Although iOS has that illusory smoothness, the real experience of both systems is roughly identical in terms of opening apps and using them. It just has a lightly jagged feeling in comparison.

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Even when I was an Apple fanboy I honestly didn't care about the whole Apple vs Android. I was just happy with the whole Apple ecosystem. Android has its own thing but I didn't hate it. I personally think Android fanboys are more obnoxious than Apple fanboys. It seems to me like everybody cracks on Apple when Apple and there customers just want to go about their day. But that's just me. For the record I think both have pros and cons.

As someone with extensive experience in both, I really think it comes down to if you like the ecosystem or flexibility.

To say that Apple customers just want to "go about their day" and it's mean ol' Android users, though, is absolutely silly. It's like claiming that PS4 owners are all normal and it's just the XBox guys that stir it up. Apple users ABSOLUTELY have a base that treats Android as lesser-than.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

You're correct, but that's mainly because iOS masks loading with that animation. The flipside is I've had more iOS apps just kinda... stop for a second or two than ever happened on Android because they just function differently.

Keep in mind I am literally sitting here with both a 6+ and an LG G3, arguably the two best examples of each OS (until the Nexus 6 lands). Although iOS has that illusory smoothness, the real experience of both systems is roughly identical in terms of opening apps and using them. It just has a lightly jagged feeling in comparison.

Right i agree that's a fair way to describe it.

And to keep it in context, the boast is very small. But when you consider everything else about how we browse the web, text and use apps, it's all very similar. They both do the exact same thing. So the decision starts to come down to little things like that which makes the boast more significant relative to anything else that matters.

It's like a 1.5x multiplier that makes every little thing better.

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The first video that came up was Psy - Gagnam style as a suggestion. I clicked it. Waited for it to start playing. Swapped it over, the sound even hiccuped once, and then started playing.

As far as spotlight, I am not referring to actually searching something. I just swipe down (don;t put anything in search bar), flip into landscape, and it's "jerky". It doesn't bother me nearly as much as the video thing, honestly.

Obviously this whole thing doesn;t bother me enough to get rid of the phone. these are just not compromises I have ever dealt with on iPhones before.

Well landscape mode on the launch screen is brand new too so maybe thats a reason as well and needs some polish. And it affected the landscape process as a whole maybe.

I think we can both agree that it's not fair to act like the hardware can't handle the retina HD or something implied like that. Like as if Apple didn't think it through iPad 3 style.

 

[jpeg42]

You faught in the OS wars?

This made me laugh out loud. Like a kid asking grandpa about WW2.

 

[lordofthereef]

Well landscape mode on the launch screen is brand new too so maybe thats a reason as well and needs some polish. And it affected the landscape process as a whole maybe.

I think we can both agree that it's not fair to act like the hardware can't handle the retina HD or something implied like that. Like as if Apple didn't think it through iPad 3 style.

I guess I am confused why you keep mentioning acting like the hardware can't keep up. I have posed a question a few times, but nowhere in this thread have I mentioned that I feel the hardware can't keep up. I even mentioned differences between safari and another browser, which would point to a software issue.

I did mention iPad 3 in one or two posts (again, nothing in this thread) to point out that Apple has created what I would consider a flop in recent history. Right now, all I am really left with is that maybe the quirks get fixed. But that's a big maybe. People who beta tested 8.1 stated that it was all better. This didn't turn out to be the case.

Unfortunately I have also read reports about the quality of the storage media on the 64 and 128 gb devices being not up to snuff. Sadly I am not well versed enough in that to really be able to judge whether that could be why I am noticing these issues. I have mentioned, in other threads, that I plan to monitor that info as best as I can (without becoming anal about it) and seeing what comes of it.

The bottom line is, the phone falls short of my expectations on a few bullet points. My experience hasn't been bad enough for me to dump the device all together. but then, I am used to issues with my Android devices, so perhaps my skin is just a little tougher than most on these boards.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

I guess I am confused why you keep mentioning acting like the hardware can't keep up. I have posed a question a few times, but nowhere in this thread have I mentioned that I feel the hardware can't keep up. I even mentioned differences between safari and another browser, which would point to a software issue.

I did mention iPad 3 in one or two posts (again, nothing in this thread) to point out that Apple has created what I would consider a flop in recent history. Right now, all I am really left with is that maybe the quirks get fixed. But that's a big maybe. People who beta tested 8.1 stated that it was all better. This didn't turn out to be the case.

Unfortunately I have also read reports about the quality of the storage media on the 64 and 128 gb devices being not up to snuff. Sadly I am not well versed enough in that to really be able to judge whether that could be why I am noticing these issues. I have mentioned, in other threads, that I plan to monitor that info as best as I can (without becoming anal about it) and seeing what comes of it.

The bottom line is, the phone falls short of my expectations on a few bullet points. My experience hasn't been bad enough for me to dump the device all together. but then, I am used to issues with my Android devices, so perhaps my skin is just a little tougher than most on these boards.

Why? The same exact thing happened with iOS 7?

By 7.1.2 it was back to flawless.

 

[geoff5093]

To those that say iOS doesn't lag, look at this poll. 44% say they have lag: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1791582/

 

[Bobby Corwen]

To those that say iOS doesn't lag, look at this poll. 44% say they have lag: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1791582/

That was largely before any software updates.

 

[geoff5093]

That was largely before any software updates.

Look at the last few pages, people still experience it. It's gotten better for sure, but it still lags.

 

[lordofthereef]

Why? The same exact thing happened with iOS 7?

By 7.1.2 it was back to flawless.

I didn't experience issues to begin with on iOS 7, so I can't judge based on that. Fixes were supposed to have already happened, as I mentioned. They did not. For me, that translates to a timely fix being a big maybe.

 

[mtneer]

Apple devices are not cheap. People have spent thousands of dollars, if not tens of thousands of dollars, over many years buying Apple devices with the fervent belief that they are getting the best that their money could buy.

Now, if someone comes along and claims that an alternate solution is better, or even close to being at parity with what the said user has believed to the best - it strikes at the very core of the users belief systems and shakes their faith hard.

Most people can handle that and move on with what they perceive as best value for their money at any given point of time; others cannot handle that "faith-quake" and end up being fanboys and mudslingers.

 

[McDaddio]

I just find it hilarious when some apple fanboys

Stopped reading right there.
Doesn't make sense to read more when someone is childish enough to use the term "fanboy" in a thread about hate "for no reason".

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To those that say iOS doesn't lag, look at this poll. 44% say they have lag: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1791582/

How cute.
Do you think these polls have any scientific basis for being relevant?

(hint: they don't)

 

[mtasquared]

Apple fans hate on Android because of the perception that Android wholesale copied the iPhone user interface at the very beginning. Apparently the Android OS predates the iPhone but they probably did copy the iPhone interface. This made Steve Jobs go "thermonuclear". Android itself had some cool features that iPhone lacked, like widgets and an extensive notification system, and later on the larger screen. I believe the iPhone has copied those features in turn. But in general, the iPhone had the original smartphone GUI, the original App store, the original form factor (tablet like). Since Google copied all this, they are perceived as evil, and a knockoff. I don't know if Apple had patents on their ideas.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

Apple fans hate on Android because of the perception that Android wholesale copied the iPhone user interface at the very beginning. Apparently the Android OS predates the iPhone but they probably did copy the iPhone interface. This made Steve Jobs go "thermonuclear". Android itself had some cool features that iPhone lacked, like widgets and an extensive notification system, and later on the larger screen. I believe the iPhone has copied those features in turn. But in general, the iPhone had the original smartphone GUI, the original App store, the original form factor (tablet like). Since Google copied all this, they are perceived as evil, and a knockoff. I don't know if Apple had patents on their ideas.

Yeah theres always this too ^

Very well condensed paragraph there.

 

[Abazigal]

I don't hate Android. The irritating Android fanboys who keep ragging on us Apple users however, that's fair game, IMO. You want the gate to stop? Tell them to keep to their side of the fence, then we will talk.

 

[Oletros]

But in general, the iPhone had the original smartphone GUI, the original App store, the original form factor (tablet like). Since Google copied all this, they are perceived as evil, and a knockoff. I don't know if Apple had patents on their ideas.

Yes, some Apple fans believe that and hence the hate

 

[Vundu]

We use Yammer at work and it is always the Android fans posting all the anti Apple garbage.

The Apple fans enjoy their devices and get on with things.

 

[SeilerBird]

I am a recent Android convert and my 6 is as smooth as butter. I prefer over stock Android. I think all the people complaining about lag are the ones with over 100 apps and 300 movies loaded onto their phone.

 

[Glideslope]

Because Eric Schmidt is a dishonest, back stabbing, ugly MF'er.

Who sat on Apple's Board as SJ's friend, then used the ideas against SJ.

It's all about that mid morning coffee at the Cafe, right Eric?

I do not know how he can look at himself in the mirror.