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techiebug

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Here I'm telling you my unbiased opinion. I'm currently using the iPhone 6. I used to use the iPhone 6 plus and boy, the app crashed and phone sometimes reboot way more often than my note 4. Android is very stable now, even more than ios. Everyone saying android is laggy simply doesn't know anything.
 

SomeGuyDude

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When was this though? This is a bit like saying I hate IOS because it doesn't have an app store or even cut and paste (which was the experience at one time). The latest versions of Andriod are really good, better than IOS I would dare say. I am a fan of both, but Andriod is edging out now.

Competition is good and we are very lucky to have two awesome choices.

Edit: And when I say the Android experience, it is only fair to compare vs the true Google phones (ie Nexus). Everything else is acquired through Open Source and tweaked (usually in a bad way). Not a fair comparison.

Flagship user from both sides, both "true google" and not. Anyone claiming that, in 2014, there is a huge difference between Android and iOS in terms of daily casual usage is trying to sell you something.
 

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SomeGuyDude

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Yep. Confirmed by this study.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Android-4.x-is-more-than-twice-as-stable-as-iOS-7.1_id54459


Some apple fans just felt they have been shot in the heart.

In fairness, that's soooort of a misleading way of putting it. 1.7% versus 0.7% is a difference of 1%. That's sort of like two guys practicing 3 pointers at the gym, one gets one and the other gets two and says "dude I LITERALLY got twice as many as you did."

Numbers don't lie, but the people who use them are often dishonest...
 

cgull

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The funny thing is that we actually have a religious debate about which platform is better. These are multi billion dollar corporations that don't give a crap about any of us. Its all about profit. Both are really good at what they do but we should not forget why they are doing it.
 

SomeGuyDude

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The funny thing is that we actually have a religious debate about which platform is better. These are multi billion dollar corporations that don't give a crap about any of us. Its all about profit. Both are really good at what they do but we should not forget why they are doing it.

I do get tired of this. Yes, in the abstract sense, it's true that no business actually "cares" about its clientele, but the fact remains that pissing your customers off will, in the long run, not exactly be profit-friendly. Microsoft figured that out with the XB1 preorder fiasco.

Apple's massive profits are not at all coincidental to the fact that Apple bends over backwards to keep consumers happy.
 

bunnicula

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I don't hate Android. The irritating Android fanboys who keep ragging on us Apple users however, that's fair game, IMO. You want the gate to stop? Tell them to keep to their side of the fence, then we will talk.

Yeah. That's my take.

I don't give a crap whether or not anyone likes iPhones or Apple products. I just get annoyed with Droid worshippers constantly trying to explain to me why it is so superior. I'm not going to suddenly run out and convert. They remind me of Jehovah's Witnesses. Except ruder.
 

mib1800

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In fairness, that's soooort of a misleading way of putting it. 1.7% versus 0.7% is a difference of 1%. That's sort of like two guys practicing 3 pointers at the gym, one gets one and the other gets two and says "dude I LITERALLY got twice as many as you did."

Numbers don't lie, but the people who use them are often dishonest...

I look at it differently. In one day you open (any) apps 100x. Using iOS you are TWICE more likely to lose your data due to app crashes IN ONE DAY.
 

SomeGuyDude

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I look at it differently. In one day you open (any) apps 100x. Using iOS you are TWICE more likely to lose your data due to app crashes IN ONE DAY.

See, the thing is, it's actually incorrect to say that Android is twice as stable. It's, in fact, half as unstable. These are not the same. iOS is twice as unstable as Android, but it is not half as stable. If iOS had a 60% crash rate and Android had a 20% crash rate, then Android would be twice as stable (Android was stable 80% of the time and iOS was stable 40% of the time).

In point of fact, since we're talking 99.3% stability for Android and 98.3% stability for iOS, we can say that Android is about 1% more stable. In a given run of X times, Android will have about 1% more successful runs than iOS, that's all. Not twice as many. It's completely misrepresentative to say "twice as stable".
 

geoff5093

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Think of Android as the guinea pigs for new tech. Apple usually lags behind in bringing new technology, if it weren't for Android, iOS wouldn't be where it is now. Comparing the two, who had LTE first? What about contactless payments via NFC? MMS? Cut and paste? True multitasking? Front facing cameras? Etc
 

SomeGuyDude

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Think of Android as the guinea pigs for new tech. Apple usually lags behind in bringing new technology, if it weren't for Android, iOS wouldn't be where it is now. Comparing the two, who had LTE first? What about contactless payments via NFC? MMS? Cut and paste? True multitasking? Front facing cameras? Etc

What's funny is I'm over on Reddit getting bombarded with people who refuse to believe that Apple isn't the most innovative company on the planet and everything the iPhone has done has been just the vanguard of technology.
 

geoff5093

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What's funny is I'm over on Reddit getting bombarded with people who refuse to believe that Apple isn't the most innovative company on the planet and everything the iPhone has done has been just the vanguard of technology.
I do admit that Apple implements technology in a very good way, but what really annoys me is how Apple and its fans play off many of their new features as innovative, when others have had it for a while. Many Apple users are so close minded, they think if Apple hasn't done it, no one has.

The other thing is when Apple fans play these features off as useless until Apple does it. "Who needs LTE? 3G is plenty fast", or " why would anyone need NFC on a phone?", or "No one wants a phone bigger than 4 inches"
 

SomeGuyDude

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I do admit that Apple implements technology in a very good way, but what really annoys me is how Apple and its fans play off many of their new features as innovative, when others have had it for a while. Many Apple users are so close minded, they think if Apple hasn't done it, no one has.

The other thing is when Apple fans play these features off as useless until Apple does it. "Who needs LTE? 3G is plenty fast", or " why would anyone need NFC on a phone?", or "No one wants a phone bigger than 4 inches"

"What's the point of multitasking? The screen is so small you can only do one thing at a time."

"Retina display is all anyone needs."

The quotes do indeed go on.

And as I've said elsewhere, I've got a 6+ that talks with my MBPr so I rather enjoy the products the brand has made. I just admit that they are more "slick and refined" over "innovative".
 

mib1800

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See, the thing is, it's actually incorrect to say that Android is twice as stable. It's, in fact, half as unstable. These are not the same. iOS is twice as unstable as Android, but it is not half as stable. If iOS had a 60% crash rate and Android had a 20% crash rate, then Android would be twice as stable (Android was stable 80% of the time and iOS was stable 40% of the time).

In point of fact, since we're talking 99.3% stability for Android and 98.3% stability for iOS, we can say that Android is about 1% more stable. In a given run of X times, Android will have about 1% more successful runs than iOS, that's all. Not twice as many. It's completely misrepresentative to say "twice as stable".

See what you mean. It is just the different interpretation. You are associating "stable" with non-crash time. But you can also interpret "stable" based on the count of failure. Of course "twice as stable" can be confusing. I think better phrase is ios apps "crash twice as much" android.
 

SomeGuyDude

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See what you mean. It is just the different interpretation. You are associating "stable" with non-crash time. But you can also interpret "stable" based on the count of failure. Of course "twice as stable" can be confusing. I think better phrase is ios apps "crash twice as much" android.

That would be linguistically incorrect to do it any other way.

Think of it like this. If there were two airlines, one in which 1% of its planes crashed annually, and one in which 2% did, you would be correct in saying you were twice as likely to die in the second case, but you would NOT be correct to say you would be twice as likely to live in the first case.
 

mib1800

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That would be linguistically incorrect to do it any other way.

Think of it like this. If there were two airlines, one in which 1% of its planes crashed annually, and one in which 2% did, you would be correct in saying you were twice as likely to die in the second case, but you would NOT be correct to say you would be twice as likely to live in the first case.

But I think most people would not look at it as the inverse of the matter. But no matter how you interpret it, the conclusion is still that Android is more stable than iOS. This debunk the perception that Android crashes more than iOS.
 

mib1800

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Are you a Android fanboy? You don't like Apple's products? But beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

But people also say beauty is skin-deep or beauty with no brain. hmmm...are apple products beauty with no substance, I wonder. ;)
 

BeeGood

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Lot 23E. Somewhere in Georgia.

Sketchr

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I use both iPhone and android, but I do admit I enjoy my iPhone more for everyday use.

Currently using the lg g3...it's buttery smooth with a vivid screen. Also think the htc m8 is an excellent model...I've always liked Sense. Have no complaints with either android.

However I loathe Touch wiz...have tried several Samsungs as they are released and I cannot work with it. In my experience it's garbage.

No, I've never tried rooting a phone. Basing my experience on stock models.

Aside from the software, I also prefer the itunes apps over the android play market. They do tend do operate more smoothly ime.
 

Oletros

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I just said what was skewed:/

They didn't take into account the differences between the hardware using each OS.

Show me a comparison of, say, the Nexus 5 on kitkat 4.4.4 vs the iPhone 5S on iOS 7.1 and then we'll have a fair comparison

What has to do the hardware with the apps crashing?

Are you saying that is worse to have just a few models to app crashing?

And, please, read the report, ALL the Android versions crash less than the equivalent iOS version so, I repeat, where is the skew?
 
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