Those are the key words. If we understood that 99% of the discussions on these forums are simply one users opinion on how they use their device for themselves these forums would literally not exist.
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Those are the key words. If we understood that 99% of the discussions on these forums are simply one users opinion on how they use their device for themselves these forums would literally not exist.
Most of these discussions are opinion, with a lot of "factoids" thrown in for good measure.
All of the tit for tat and emotion spent on what operating system is better; do you think you would ever have a conversation like this with 10 people, in a bar, drunk? These types of conversations only exist on the internet.
Nope. Just telling you not to be a hypocrite in a nice way.
Yep. Go ahead and be happy about the many variations of iphone casing you can get.
No, you're confusing DPI. The point is that the eye cannot see pixel density above a certain point, and 500+ is well above that. That Note 4's extra pixel count is offering you ZERO visual benefit. None.
If a 1080p and a 4K phone screen are set to the same DPI they will look the same. End of transaction. 6" and under is WAY too small for that kind of resolution to make even the SLIGHTEST difference.
To put it in Mac terms, if I crank my MBPr up to its highest possible resolution, 2880x1800 using that script available, the text becomes impossibly teeny tiny to the point that I cannot read it at all, but it still doesn't become pixelated. If I hold a magnifying glass up to the screen or if I smush my face against it, it's legible. This is a FIFTEEN INCH screen at that resolution, and unlike my 1080p 27" monitor does not get pixelated no matter how zoomed out I get it. By contrast, the Note 4 is 2560x1440 in a screen that's less than SIX inches. You could chop that to 1080p and not lose a thing.
I am holding, in my hands, an iPhone 6 Plus and an LG G3. That's a UHD screen versus 1080p. In all honesty, the situation you're talking about with seeing more on screen? That's BETTER on the 6+ because of its DPI settings. There is more on the 6+'s screen than the G3's despite the G3 having a far higher resolution. Now, I can SET the DPI on my G3 so they match, and then it just looks the same. No difference.
I hate the pixel wars with phones. It creates devices that pull so much more power than will ever be necessary, killing battery life and jacking up the prices. The ONLY reasonable application is for external displays (Samsung's VR is a good example) because that's a scenario in which the extra resolution would actually make a difference. 1080p on a big monitor or a VR headset WILL start to look pixelated. On our phones? Not gonna happen.
Yup definitely hit a nerve, and your right the apple/iOS/AppStore/iTunes Store ecosystem is second to none.
The human eye can see a LOT more than you think, millions of years of evolution have seen to that.
So this is how it is. If a healthy adult brings any display screen or printed paper or whatever 4 inches (100 mm) from his or her face, the maximum resolution he/she can see at is 2190 ppi/dpi. It doesn’t get any better than this for 99.99% of us, except maybe during pre-kindergarten years.
But the legally accepted norm of 20/20 vision only asks for 876 ppi/dpi at 4 inches!
http://wolfcrow.com/blog/notes-by-dr-optoglass-the-resolution-of-the-human-eye/
Sure you can argue you don't hold your device an inch from your face, but it is flat out totally wrong to claim your eye's cannot see above the PPI of a mobile phone screen because it most certainly can. It's a lot more incredible than any phone screen and is operated by the most powerful computer ever known.. for now.
Don't feel like reading through the entire thread, but I get way more crap for being an Apple user from Fandroids than I've ever seen vice versa.
It's a plague that has infected my university campus, and online communities. It's deemed as cool to hate Apple and love Android/Windows.
I've had at least 6 people tell me they chose a Samsung Galaxy Note simply because the iPhone is so popular. I constantly hear "I hate Apple" yet they can give no logical reason why, or simply say it's because Apple is such a huge company. (As if Google and the Android OEMs aren't big companies)
People run with the "Apple is overpriced" jargon yet do little to no research. If you show them comparable specced devices and computers from other manufacturers like the Dell XPS 15 Touch that cost the same or more, then they say "Dell is overpriced too."
Remember the days when it was cool to hate Microsoft?
It's a plague that has infected my university campus, and online communities. It's deemed as cool to hate Apple and love Android/Windows.
I've had at least 6 people tell me they chose a Samsung Galaxy Note simply because the iPhone is so popular. I constantly hear "I hate Apple" yet they can give no logical reason why, or simply say it's because Apple is such a huge company. (As if Google and the Android OEMs aren't big companies)
People run with the "Apple is overpriced" jargon yet do little to no research. If you show them comparable specced devices and computers from other manufacturers like the Dell XPS 15 Touch that cost the same or more, then they say "Dell is overpriced too."
Remember the days when it was cool to hate Microsoft?
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Why do so many android fanboys insist that Apple users don't have any valid reasons for not liking Android?
But you could expand that out to any topic.
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It still is, isn't it?
But you could expand that out to any topic.
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It still is, isn't it?
Being in the computer industry for so long like I was, I saw a lot of interesting BS.
The biggest and most curious issue was the Dell fan issue.
I had a few clients that wanted Dell, and we became a Dell reseller for them, yet every time we quoted the same or similar HP system or servers, the HP stuff was always cheaper, and nearly always available in days, where the Dell stuff sometimes was quoted to take weeks to arrive.
But we had one client. They were 100% Dell, and they needed a new system. We quoted the Dell, and the HP, and the HP was really a lot less expensive, had more expandability too, and available in 2 days. So they ordered the HP. Surprised everyone else there. But the interesting thing is that the owner of the company found any little thing to pick apart on the HP system. Literally going as far as not using the system for what they purchased it for. He wouldn't think of using it...
They paid over three grand for that system, and I knew it was head and shoulders above the Dell system their 'salesperson' sold them on. (Their 'salesperson' at Dell was whoever picked up the phone)
He made them call and order the Dell, and it took over a month to arrive, holding up a project they had to get done. Yeah... So they put themselves at a disadvantage because the box wasn't grey...
They even had a number of systems die because Dell was shipping defective motherboards, and they still refused to think of any other vendor than Dell.
I dropped them for that, and a lot of other really bizarre IT issues. It was always a headache working on their crap, but anyway... At one meeting, I heard about afterwards, I was the problem why they were having IT problems. On systems I never worked on, and network segments I hadn't touched.
That was a case of 'fanboy' taken to a near terminal extreme.
In the case of computer brands, it's quite silly. When it comes to the ability to actually use the technology, it's more important. I chose Apple because it works. I have many friends that either had, or have android phones and I listen to their problems and issues, and am glad that mine just works.
If that makes me a fanboy, than so be it. Perspective is an interesting thing...
Whatever...
The biggest and most curious issue was the Dell fan issue.
I had a few clients that wanted Dell, and we became a Dell reseller for them, yet every time we quoted the same or similar HP system or servers, the HP stuff was always cheaper, and nearly always available in days, where the Dell stuff sometimes was quoted to take weeks to arrive.
But we had one client. They were 100% Dell, and they needed a new system. We quoted the Dell, and the HP, and the HP was really a lot less expensive, had more expandability too, and available in 2 days. So they ordered the HP. Surprised everyone else there. But the interesting thing is that the owner of the company found any little thing to pick apart on the HP system. Literally going as far as not using the system for what they purchased it for. He wouldn't think of using it...
They paid over three grand for that system, and I knew it was head and shoulders above the Dell system their 'salesperson' sold them on. (Their 'salesperson' at Dell was whoever picked up the phone)
He made them call and order the Dell, and it took over a month to arrive, holding up a project they had to get done. Yeah... So they put themselves at a disadvantage because the box wasn't grey...
They even had a number of systems die because Dell was shipping defective motherboards, and they still refused to think of any other vendor than Dell.
I dropped them for that, and a lot of other really bizarre IT issues. It was always a headache working on their crap, but anyway... At one meeting, I heard about afterwards, I was the problem why they were having IT problems. On systems I never worked on, and network segments I hadn't touched.
That was a case of 'fanboy' taken to a near terminal extreme.
In the case of computer brands, it's quite silly. When it comes to the ability to actually use the technology, it's more important. I chose Apple because it works. I have many friends that either had, or have android phones and I listen to their problems and issues, and am glad that mine just works.
If that makes me a fanboy, than so be it. Perspective is an interesting thing...
Whatever...
That is... not an especially good source. It's wildly simplified and full of bad assumptions. He took one little nugget of information (the single-eye distance acuity formula) and attempted to make sweeping assertions about vision. Doesn't work that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I5Q3UXkGd0
That's a much better explanation. The take home is that your eye can only perceive a much, MUCH lower amount of pixels than a simple math formula would predict because, surprise, human vision is much more complex than a simple math equation.
There's a reason no one has been able to perceive the pixels on modern devices despite them being significantly lower than that supposed "resolution". If I put a 1080p screen and a 4K screen, both five inches or so diagonal, in front of you without labeling them, you would never, ever, EVER be able to tell them apart without help from magnification or other devices.
EDIT: Bonus awesome Reddit post!
Yes, that's regarding a 25cm (a little under 10 inch) distance, but there's more in there and it's important to remember that closer than 10 inches your eyes start to struggle to focus, which screws up the ability to differentiate as well.
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Yet there is so much that we can't see. Like IR remote lights. The visible spectrum is so much narrower than what we *could* see that there are likely many things that happen that we just don't know about.
It would be nice to be able to see more of what we can't see...
Ever had an MRI? In a closed MRI machine? When you can't focus on the wall because it's too close, that freaks a lot of people out.
My ophthalmologist says that the human eye starts changing at around the 20's, and year by year the average human loses more and more acuity. At some point, high DPI anything is a waste. And yes the mind is powerful. Powerful enough to convince itself of anything. Seen or unseen...
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Doesn't matter if your brain isn't capable of processing all the information coming in. Big numbers and math doesn't equate consciously taking note of insignificant DPI/PPI.
I think you are misunderstanding, I understand the difference between DPI and resolution. I understand that a lower resolution screen can have its DPI cranked up and show as much information on screen. What I'm saying is that this is irrelevant for 99% of paying consumers because they are not going to root their devices and go to the trouble of playing around with DPI settings, in the process risking abnormalities with the UI and app function.
With that said, a higher DPI phone OUT OF THE BOX shows more things on screen in certain apps, my main example being a GPS app. This is the way 99% of consumers see it, and it's the way it will stay on those 99% phones, this is the perception.
As for the iPhone it's 401 PPI, which is just a bit better than the Note 3 which is over a year old, and less than the Note 4 which is 640. The key is that the UI is built around this and scales properly to be touch friendly. I understand Apple could increase the DPI, but they don't. Could, would etc mean nothing when the product is in the consumers hand. I don't even think you change the DPI if you are jailbroken, but I'm not sure maybe a way does exist, but I'll bet it fubars the UI.
In terms of saying resolution is useless I sort of agree with you if the phone makers did indeed raise the DPI, but they don't for some reason unless the resolution is raised. Why I have no idea, that's a question for the engineers I suppose. But resolution isn't completely useless ignoring the DPI benefits I discussed. As I mentioned VR will take advantage of that 2k and 4k resolution, although that's definitely a niche market. But who knows, if VR breaks through to the mainstream and we get universal VR devices for our phones that resolution may become important.
Lastly, you know the Note 4 has a higher rated battery life than the Note 3 with almost the same size battery. There is no battery or performance hit for getting that higher resolution and consequently higher DPI screen. Maybe with the iPhone there was and that's why they kept such a low DPI.
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It doesn't offend me, in fact I care very little regarding your choice of phone. Good luck!
Haha, that's so true. Can you imagine going back and forth like a complete moron with someone in a bar about which phone is better? The internet and especially forums are a funny place and the anonymity they provide is downright scary.
That's because Samsung changed the DPI on the Note 4 to display more. It's not a matter of going to a higher resolution.
So I say again, your assumption that you see more because of higher resolution is incorrect.That's correct captain obvious.
Well...Fanboyism is bad altogether. A fanboy is going to hate on the competition and won't listen to reason. So, I just feel it is natural for an Apple fanboy to hate on Android no matter how good Android is. Other way around.
As for what I prefer, IOS because of the integration with OSX. It used to be that Android was a resource hog back in the Froyo days. I had to basically put my HTC Evo into airplane mode if I wanted the battery to last more than 5 hours. I ended up rooting the phone and putting a custom ROM just to not crash and have decent battery life.
Now I have a N7 2013. Runs days without a charge and buttery smooth. With "Project Butter" and with Kitkat being a lot less resource intensive most of the problems that I had with Android have gone away.
As for what I prefer, IOS because of the integration with OSX. It used to be that Android was a resource hog back in the Froyo days. I had to basically put my HTC Evo into airplane mode if I wanted the battery to last more than 5 hours. I ended up rooting the phone and putting a custom ROM just to not crash and have decent battery life.
Now I have a N7 2013. Runs days without a charge and buttery smooth. With "Project Butter" and with Kitkat being a lot less resource intensive most of the problems that I had with Android have gone away.
I remember the HTC Evo very well! It was big and heavy! Great phone at the time except for the battery life. Didn't it have a built in kickstand?
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