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InuNacho

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I hate Android because my old SII was slow as molasses even after factory reseting it and the 4.4 SD Card thing really makes me wish I had gotten a Windows Tablet instead of a Xperia Tablet Z.

Really love my Q10 though.
 

fredaroony

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Aug 1, 2011
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I hate Android because my old SII was slow as molasses even after factory reseting it and the 4.4 SD Card thing really makes me wish I had gotten a Windows Tablet instead of a Xperia Tablet Z.

Really love my Q10 though.

You "hate" Android because of a 3 year device?
 

Ccrew

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No problem, it's obvious credibility isn't needed in these forums, and I say that with all due respect.

You're perfect proof. Aren't you the one I tangled with before that claimed Apple was superior because Android was only used by poor people?
 

SomeGuyDude

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Higher res on my Note 4 makes a huge difference. I'm not saying what I have is better, but it is better for MY needs and seeing more map information, street names, etc is very useful for me.

I can promise you if that Note 4 was 1080p it would look the exact same.
 

cdmoore74

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I hate Android because my old SII was slow as molasses even after factory reseting it and the 4.4 SD Card thing really makes me wish I had gotten a Windows Tablet instead of a Xperia Tablet Z.

Really love my Q10 though.


Not only are you remembering an ancient Android device but today you have so many options from stock Android in the Moto x/Nexus 6 to the feature rich Note series. I can easily name 10 other top tier Android phones out right now. You don't have to stick with Samsung. 2014 brought us a boatload of options from many OEM's.
 

mercuryjones

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May 31, 2005
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Not only are you remembering an ancient Android device but today you have so many options from stock Android in the Moto x/Nexus 6 to the feature rich Note series. I can easily name 10 other top tier Android phones out right now. You don't have to stick with Samsung. 2014 brought us a boatload of options from many OEM's.

The problem I have with this way of thinking about Android handsets, is that none of them are ever "right". You buy the Samsung handset, and you are told that you should have bought Nexus. You buy the Nexus, and then you are told you should have bought Samsung. All because each handset is missing one "crucial" part (crucial to whomever you are talking to at the time).
Choice is great, but when the choice is between 400 handsets with all pretty much the same hardware, minus the "crucial" part here and there, then is it really a choice or just a distraction?
 

mib1800

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The problem I have with this way of thinking about Android handsets, is that none of them are ever "right". You buy the Samsung handset, and you are told that you should have bought Nexus. You buy the Nexus, and then you are told you should have bought Samsung. All because each handset is missing one "crucial" part (crucial to whomever you are talking to at the time).
Choice is great, but when the choice is between 400 handsets with all pretty much the same hardware, minus the "crucial" part here and there, then is it really a choice or just a distraction?
But iphone is the lowest denominator. It is missing a lot things that any mid range and above android have.

Just see how apple keeps copying android functions every year shows that iphone is playing the catchup.
 

fredaroony

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The problem I have with this way of thinking about Android handsets, is that none of them are ever "right". You buy the Samsung handset, and you are told that you should have bought Nexus. You buy the Nexus, and then you are told you should have bought Samsung. All because each handset is missing one "crucial" part (crucial to whomever you are talking to at the time).
Choice is great, but when the choice is between 400 handsets with all pretty much the same hardware, minus the "crucial" part here and there, then is it really a choice or just a distraction?

Sounds like you would rather be told what to like and this is evident in your posts.
 

spinedoc77

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Jun 11, 2009
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I can promise you if that Note 4 was 1080p it would look the exact same.

Is that a trick answer? You are saying if the Note 4 had the same resolution as the Note 3 then my map apps would look the same, Doh? I think I'm really missing your point. The Note 4 has a higher resolution, that is useful IMO because I can see more things on screen, in particular I can see more of the map area, I can see more street names, the text is sharper, etc.

Here is the Note 3 versus the Note 4 in Google maps manually zoomed out to the same level on both.
 

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geoff5093

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Is that a trick answer? You are saying if the Note 4 had the same resolution as the Note 3 then my map apps would look the same, Doh? I think I'm really missing your point. The Note 4 has a higher resolution, that is useful IMO because I can see more things on screen, in particular I can see more of the map area, I can see more street names, the text is sharper, etc.

Here is the N Screenshot_2014 ote 3 versus the Note 4 in Google maps manually zoomed out to the same level on both.
That has nothing to do with the resolution, that's all the DPI. You can adjust the DPI if you're rooted to fit more on the screen, regardless of resolution. I went from a 1080p G2 to a 2.5K G3, and there is no noticeable difference above 1080p.

Look at both screenshots, the first is my G3 using the stock DPI on my G3, and the bottom is the G3 with the DPI set to 540.



 
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spinedoc77

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That has nothing to do with the resolution, that's all the DPI. You can adjust the DPI if you're rooted to fit more on the screen, regardless of resolution. I went from a 1080p G2 to a 2.5K G3, and there is no noticeable difference above 1080p

Yep and devs can also program their apps to fit more info into their map apps. The point was that devs don't do this and somewhat rely on how the OS scales the information and also that your average consumer, who is the vast majority of who buys these phones, just knows that he sees more stuff on screen. Plus I can't root my phone so it's not even an option for me. Lastly can the DPI be changes app by app? If it's global it would probably make some OS elements too small to be easily usable. Even if it's app by app it may make some of the apps elements too small, buttons, menus, confirmations, etc.

If we really want to get geeky increased resolution allows for greater dpi, but I understand that maxing out dpi on a 2k screen which is 5" large doesn't really make sense. Still you can't really say it's not an advantage. I think a great example is VR where the screen is inches from your eyes, with a properly scaled user interface I'll bet a 2k and even a 4k screen will see obvious benefits to the naked eye. That massive dpi is also interesting when I remote into my windows computer and can see my desktop on my phone, connect a keyboard and a mouse and I can almost squint my way to productivity, hehe I'm only half serious about that one.

I still opine that this is an advantage straight out of the box for the majority of consumers who care about GPS. More map info, more street names, etc for a consumer who has no idea what Root, dpi and resolution are and doesn't care. Besides there are other apps besides GPS which benefit also.
 
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InuNacho

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Not only are you remembering an ancient Android device but today you have so many options from stock Android in the Moto x/Nexus 6 to the feature rich Note series. I can easily name 10 other top tier Android phones out right now. You don't have to stick with Samsung. 2014 brought us a boatload of options from many OEM's.

I have a Tablet Z which was the hottest thing since sliced bread last year, 4.4 SD card limitations essentially turned it into a paperweight as a majority of what I have it do requires moving files around the SD card.
Sorry, not made of money to play with every new Android whatever.
 

fredaroony

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Aug 1, 2011
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I have a Tablet Z which was the hottest thing since sliced bread last year, 4.4 SD card limitations essentially turned it into a paperweight as a majority of what I have it do requires moving files around the SD card.
Sorry, not made of money to play with every new Android whatever.

lol ok, it seems you are determined to hate Android.
 

mercuryjones

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May 31, 2005
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College Station, TX
Sounds like you would rather be told what to like and this is evident in your posts.

That's just it. If I go with Android, I'm still told what to like, just now by a legion of fans instead of one company. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll buy the phone that fits into the way I use a device, and for now, that's the iPhone.
Sorry if my "choice" offends you.
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
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That's just it. If I go with Android, I'm still told what to like, just now by a legion of fans instead of one company. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll buy the phone that fits into the way I use a device, and for now, that's the iPhone.

Sorry if my "choice" offends you.

Yeah, some people here seem to think having an iPhone and doing things the Apple way is somehow inferior than having a phone you have to customise and play with until it performs how you want. The difference is the iPhone performs well from the off with minimal customisation, and for 'me' that is worth paying for. Android is a good option too and I enjoyed my time very much using it. Not sure why it has to be a competition? Just buy what suits.

The irony of this thread is that it originally set out to ask why iPhone users mock Android and amusingly it has proven in this forum that it's a greater number doing it the opposite way. People start off nice by saying 'oh I don't mock iPhone' but as the thread has progressed it has drawn these exact opinions out. An interesting read though :)
 

mercuryjones

macrumors 6502a
May 31, 2005
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College Station, TX
Yeah, some people here seem to think having an iPhone and doing things the Apple way is somehow inferior than having a phone you have to customise and play with until it performs how you want. The difference is the iPhone performs well from the off with minimal customisation, and for 'me' that is worth paying for. Android is a good option too and I enjoyed my time very much using it. Not sure why it has to be a competition? Just buy what suits.

The irony of this thread is that it originally set out to ask why iPhone users mock Android and amusingly it has proven in this forum that it's a greater number doing it the opposite way. People start off nice by saying 'oh I don't mock iPhone' but as the thread has progressed it has drawn these exact opinions out. An interesting read though :)

Exactly. As I stated earlier, I'm only going to mock Android to tick off the stalwart "fanboys". However, if I'm talking to someone that doesn't know which mobile OS to use, I'll ask them what they would like to do with their phones and then push them in the direction that I feel they need to go. Sometimes, that direction is iOS, sometimes Android and sometimes even Windows Phone.
But, start up with "iOS is closed, locked, down, I can't customize" rhetoric, and I'll mock you until you cry momma.:)
 

geoff5093

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Sep 16, 2014
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Yep and devs can also program their apps to fit more info into their map apps. The point was that devs don't do this and somewhat rely on how the OS scales the information and also that your average consumer, who is the vast majority of who buys these phones, just knows that he sees more stuff on screen. Plus I can't root my phone so it's not even an option for me. Lastly can the DPI be changes app by app? If it's global it would probably make some OS elements too small to be easily usable. Even if it's app by app it may make some of the apps elements too small, buttons, menus, confirmations, etc.

If we really want to get geeky increased resolution allows for greater dpi, but I understand that maxing out dpi on a 2k screen which is 5" large doesn't really make sense. Still you can't really say it's not an advantage. I think a great example is VR where the screen is inches from your eyes, with a properly scaled user interface I'll bet a 2k and even a 4k screen will see obvious benefits to the naked eye. That massive dpi is also interesting when I remote into my windows computer and can see my desktop on my phone, connect a keyboard and a mouse and I can almost squint my way to productivity, hehe I'm only half serious about that one.

I still opine that this is an advantage straight out of the box for the majority of consumers who care about GPS. More map info, more street names, etc for a consumer who has no idea what Root, dpi and resolution are and doesn't care. Besides there are other apps besides GPS which benefit also.
The manufacturer is the one who sets the DPI on devices, they most likely just tweaked it to show more on the display on the Note 4. If you or I changed it ourselves, then yes some areas would be a bit glitchy, but the manufacturer would obviously fix this when they change it. You can do it on a per app basis, or globally.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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The manufacturer is the one who sets the DPI on devices, they most likely just tweaked it to show more on the display on the Note 4. If you or I changed it ourselves, then yes some areas would be a bit glitchy, but the manufacturer would obviously fix this when they change it. You can do it on a per app basis, or globally.

Yeah but that's the point I'm trying to make, the Note 4 has higher DPI than the Note 3 out of the box, 388 versus 640. I understand the point that you can set the Note 3 to be higher DPI, but this isn't something the vast majority of smartphone users can do, and I'm assuming it only applies to android or is there a way to change the DPI on iOS phones? It's not that the manufacturer tweaked anything, it's just that a higher DPI makes the app scale differently and I would assume there is different scaling for UI elements such as buttons and menus versus things like map information and this is beneficial out of the box.

So I'm not saying you are wrong at all, it just doesn't matter for the vast majority of consumers. BTW I've played with DPI on my Note 3 and found the changes to the UI were not good, much too small to be usable. Unfortunately my Note 4 is unrootable so I can't play around with it.
 

mib1800

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Exactly. As I stated earlier, I'm only going to mock Android to tick off the stalwart "fanboys". However, if I'm talking to someone that doesn't know which mobile OS to use, I'll ask them what they would like to do with their phones and then push them in the direction that I feel they need to go. Sometimes, that direction is iOS, sometimes Android and sometimes even Windows Phone.
But, start up with "iOS is closed, locked, down, I can't customize" rhetoric, and I'll mock you until you cry momma.:)

Start off by saying "iphone gives the best user experience with just enough specs or apple proprietary ecosystem is the best" and I'll mock you until you cry momma.

So don't cry foul when people mock you if you bring out these points to side with iPhone. You cannot have it both ways.
 

mercuryjones

macrumors 6502a
May 31, 2005
786
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College Station, TX
Start off by saying "iphone gives the best user experience with just enough specs or apple proprietary ecosystem is the best" and I'll mock you until you cry momma.

So don't cry foul when people mock you if you bring out these points to side with iPhone. You cannot have it both ways.

Seems like I've hit a nerve. For me, the Apple ecosystem IS the best. Between the App Store and the amount of 3rd party accessories for the iPhone and iPad, Android can't beat it. It's getting closer every day, but it's not there yet.
 
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