Other Why do you prefer ios over android?

[I7guy]

Slaps head, see, there you go again. I said both are systems of equal value and as such I appreciate 'both'. I'm actually pretty neutral. You did pick up I use 'both' I suppose?

I simply cannot stand the 'school playground' rhetoric of 'mine's better than yours' which is patently untrue on either side. Example, I had an iPad 2 for almost 4 years then switched to an Android tablet for a similar time. I've now switched back to an iPad - why? I got a good deal on the iPad, no other reason. I'm comfortable and feel at home with either OS and see no advantages or disadvantages to swapping and changing. Change is good!

I really don't get this 'brand loyalty' clap trap.

Frankly, this is a public forum and I can’t stand when other posters try to control the narrative.

To you both systems are of equal value, not to me. You are confusing preference with “brand loyalty “, which is a common mistake here. In case it was missed, I used the word: “preference” or “prefer”.

I’m glad you have no preference, you are entitled to use what works best for you, as I do. And finally, If you don’t like a thread you can always ignore it.

 

[nviz22]

Slaps head, see, there you go again. I said both are systems of equal value and as such I appreciate 'both'. I'm actually pretty neutral. You did pick up I use 'both' I suppose?

I simply cannot stand the 'school playground' rhetoric of 'mine's better than yours' which is patently untrue on either side. Example, I had an iPad 2 for almost 4 years then switched to an Android tablet for a similar time. I've now switched back to an iPad - why? I got a good deal on the iPad, no other reason. I'm comfortable and feel at home with either OS and see no advantages or disadvantages to swapping and changing. Change is good!

I really don't get this 'brand loyalty' clap trap.

Value is a perceived notion though. “Another man’s trash is another man’s treasure” perfectly describes my perspective about Windows Mobile OS. Windows can’t even get proper app support or a large selection of apps. Many people are willing to pay a premium for Samsung and Apple products because of the perceived value.

In terms of simple economics, Android is more cost effective since it can do more at an affordable price point. But that doesn’t mean each person loses value on iOS products.

As someone who ventured on both iOS and Android for years, I can say that Apple is more subjectively better for my needs and wants. People can join battalions and argue back and forth. You cannot change some people’s opinions, so I wouldn’t exert energy.

Brand loyalty is very important to keep people engaged. It’s a huge uphill battle for many smaller OEMs. Apple has a remarkable brand advantage. Some people perceive other brands with one major instance and completely write them off. Samsung’s exploding Note 7s and LG’s boot looping are two poignant examples.

 

[Lankyman]

Value is a perceived notion though. “Another man’s trash is another man’s treasure” perfectly describes my perspective about Windows Mobile OS. Windows can’t even get proper app support or a large selection of apps. Many people are willing to pay a premium for Samsung and Apple products because of the perceived value.

In terms of simple economics, Android is more cost effective since it can do more at an affordable price point. But that doesn’t mean each person loses value on iOS products.

As someone who ventured on both iOS and Android for years, I can say that Apple is more subjectively better for my needs and wants. People can join battalions and argue back and forth. You cannot change some people’s opinions, so I wouldn’t exert energy.

Brand loyalty is very important to keep people engaged. It’s a huge uphill battle for many smaller OEMs. Apple has a remarkable brand advantage. Some people perceive other brands with one major instance and completely write them off. Samsung’s exploding Note 7s and LG’s boot looping are two poignant examples.

I do think that brand loyalty is self-limiting i.e. it reduces personal choice and thus can make you blind (metaphorically) to other, perhaps better options, or options of equal value or better monetary value.

I have found that as I get older I've been far more willing to try other products, plus as someones who's retired you have to consider value for money more. That doesn't always mean buying 'cheaper' though.

Conversely, I have found young people today far less willing to 'try something new' which goes against the natural order of things.

Strange times.

 

[I7guy]

I do think that brand loyalty is self-limiting i.e. it reduces personal choice and thus can make you blind (metaphorically) to other, perhaps better options, or options of equal value or better monetary value.

I have found that as I get older I've been far more willing to try other products, plus as someones who's retired you have to consider value for money more. That doesn't always mean buying 'cheaper' though.

Conversely, I have found young people today far less willing to 'try something new' which goes against the natural order of things.

Strange times.

I’m glad you like the way you setup your personal ecosystem. But I choose to spend my money on the options that gives me the most value for my $.

Which is why my ecosystem is a mixture of iOS, Macos, windows and Linux. These work the best for me.

Plus I know many retired folks that somehow have new iPhones, so I’m not sure why retirement is even a factor.

Strange times, indeed.

 

[rui no onna]

I do think that brand loyalty is self-limiting i.e. it reduces personal choice and thus can make you blind (metaphorically) to other, perhaps better options, or options of equal value or better monetary value.

I have found that as I get older I've been far more willing to try other products, plus as someones who's retired you have to consider value for money more. That doesn't always mean buying 'cheaper' though.

Conversely, I have found young people today far less willing to 'try something new' which goes against the natural order of things.

Strange times.

People not wanting to try new things is likely the norm. You're quite likely one of the exceptions rather than the norm.

It's also probably not brand loyalty either. Rather, it's most likely not wanting to expend the additional time and effort to switch platforms.

I know I'm delaying switching away from Windows until Windows 7 finally reaches EOL (I do have a laptop with Linux multiboot that I play with when I find the time and energy). If I can't get Linux working the way I need it to, I might end up caving in and buy a Mac. It just seems really expensive for something I'd only use maybe 1-2 days a month, though.

 

[Lankyman]

I’m glad you like the way you setup your personal ecosystem. But I choose to spend my money on the options that gives me the most value for my $.

Which is why my ecosystem is a mixture of iOS, Macos, windows and Linux. These work the best for me.

Plus I know many retired folks that somehow have new iPhones, so I’m not sure why retirement is even a factor.

Strange times, indeed.

I have an iPhone, have you still not picked up on that? I have a Mac plus Windows 10 plus Android, but so what, that wasn’t what my post was about.
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People not wanting to try new things is likely the norm. You're quite likely one of the exceptions rather than the norm.

It's also probably not brand loyalty either. Rather, it's most likely not wanting to expend the additional time and effort to switch platforms.

I know I'm delaying switching away from Windows until Windows 7 finally reaches EOL (I do have a laptop with Linux multiboot that I play with when I find the time and energy). If I can't get Linux working the way I need it to, I might end up caving in and buy a Mac. It just seems really expensive for something I'd only use maybe 1-2 days a month, though.

Windows 10 IMO Microsoft’s best OS thus far. I have W7 on a VM but boy does it feel dated now when I use it.

 

[I7guy]

I have an iPhone, have you still not picked up on that? I have a Mac plus Windows 10 plus Android, but so what, that wasn’t what my post was about.
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Windows 10 IMO Microsoft’s best OS thus far. I have W7 on a VM but boy does it feel dated now when I use it.

And you also missed the point of my post.

 

[rui no onna]

Windows 10 IMO Microsoft’s best OS thus far. I have W7 on a VM but boy does it feel dated now when I use it.

There are few things I like about Windows 10, mostly native support for modern hardware such as USB3 and NVMe, as well as partitions on flash drives.

Otherwise, I'm not a fan of the modern/flat aesthetic. Forced restart with automatic updates regardless of computer activity doesn't strike me as particularly user-friendly either.

 

[kargurin]

So my last few phones in order from the current one: Samsung S8+, iPhone 7 Plus, iPhone 6 Plus, Samsung Note 5. Borrowing political parlance, that makes me an independent I guess. BTW, going Excess in a couple of weeks.

 

[Lankyman]

There are few things I like about Windows 10, mostly native support for modern hardware such as USB3 and NVMe, as well as partitions on flash drives.

Otherwise, I'm not a fan of the modern/flat aesthetic. Forced restart with automatic updates regardless of computer activity doesn't strike me as particularly user-friendly either.

You can select a time of your choosing, though you will have to accept the updates at some point.
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So my last few phones in order from the current one: Samsung S8+, iPhone 7 Plus, iPhone 6 Plus, Samsung Note 5. Borrowing political parlance, that makes me an independent I guess. BTW, going Excess in a couple of weeks.

Sounds like a pretty expensive habit you've got there.

 

[spinedoc77]

1) Privacy. This is easily number one on my list, especially with the almost daily privacy scandals Google/Android has these days. You couldn't pay me to go back to an Android phone.
2) Hardware. I like the longevity and quality of Apple hardware. I've used my X naked with no covers or cases at all since release date, and it's still pristine.
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There are few things I like about Windows 10, mostly native support for modern hardware such as USB3 and NVMe, as well as partitions on flash drives.

Otherwise, I'm not a fan of the modern/flat aesthetic. Forced restart with automatic updates regardless of computer activity doesn't strike me as particularly user-friendly either.

Not to go off on a tangent, but Windows doesn't force you to restart. You can schedule non critical updates for up to 35 days in the future. You can schedule your PC to only update at certain hours, let's say your lunch hour or maybe overnight while you are sleeping. Even critical updates you can delay, I'm not sure how long, but certainly they do not force a restart right then and there.

 

[pacmacman]

There's so much I love about Android but I mostly just use those phones to play with. iPhone is my daily driver. Too many friends and family on iMessage, and I'm tied into the ecosystem. I can't stand the upgrade path on Android, as in there isn't any. It seems the only way you get updates with Android is to just buy a new device every few months.

 

[kargurin]

You can select a time of your choosing, though you will have to accept the updates at some point.
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Sounds like a pretty expensive habit you've got there.

Upgrade every year. Not unusual.

 

[rui no onna]

Not to go off on a tangent, but Windows doesn't force you to restart. You can schedule non critical updates for up to 35 days in the future. You can schedule your PC to only update at certain hours, let's say your lunch hour or maybe overnight while you are sleeping. Even critical updates you can delay, I'm not sure how long, but certainly they do not force a restart right then and there.

I don't believe Windows 10 Home gets that leeway (deferred updates).

All I know is I have a Windows 10 Home tablet that gets used once in a blue moon and the one time I wanted to play with the darned thing, it was pretty much out of commission for the entire day because it decided to auto-update itself minutes after booting up. At least iOS and Android have the courtesy to ask you if/when you want to update.

 

[Lankyman]

There's so much I love about Android but I mostly just use those phones to play with. iPhone is my daily driver. Too many friends and family on iMessage, and I'm tied into the ecosystem. I can't stand the upgrade path on Android, as in there isn't any. It seems the only way you get updates with Android is to just buy a new device every few months.

2 years OS updates plus security updates for a further year, plus Google provide feature updates throughout the year.

The majority of phone users will be more than ready to upgrade anyway by this point so I don't see this as an issue.

The fact that Apple offers support for 5 years probably only benefits a minority of customers.

 

[pacmacman]

2 years OS updates plus security updates for a further year, plus Google provide feature updates throughout the year.

The majority of phone users will be more than ready to upgrade anyway by this point so I don't see this as an issue.

The fact that Apple offers support for 5 years probably only benefits a minority of customers.

You're just referring to the Pixel line though, is that right?

 

[nviz22]

2 years OS updates plus security updates for a further year, plus Google provide feature updates throughout the year.

The majority of phone users will be more than ready to upgrade anyway by this point so I don't see this as an issue.

The fact that Apple offers support for 5 years probably only benefits a minority of customers.

Still a welcomed benefit nevertheless. Only main company that is still actively supporting a phone from 5 years ago. Surprisingly, people don't mind using a 5S as long as the device works. Battery replacements tend to be cheaper than getting another flagship phone.
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You're just referring to the Pixel line though, is that right?

Pixel line isn't the only line to get guaranteed updates for two years. The Android One program gives 2 major OS updates and 3 years of security updates.

 

[pacmacman]

Still a welcomed benefit nevertheless. Only main company that is still actively supporting a phone from 5 years ago. Surprisingly, people don't mind using a 5S as long as the device works. Battery replacements tend to be cheaper than getting another flagship phone.
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Pixel line isn't the only line to get guaranteed updates for two years. The Android One program gives 2 major OS updates and 3 years of security updates.

I'm in the States so I don't know how readily available One devices are. The majors such as Samsung, LG, and HTC don't offer good update support.

 

[nviz22]

I'm in the States so I don't know how readily available One devices are. The majors such as Samsung, LG, and HTC don't offer good update support.

There are some great options from Nokia. My personal favorite mid-ranger they have, in the US, is the Nokia 6.1. If I had to spend $300 or less on a phone? That would be the one to get.

LG is stepping it up with the G7 One, which is a LG G7 w/ an 835 processor and Pure Android. Samsung is lousy with software update consistency. HTC is a shell of itself since it is losing $ and doesn't have enough market penetration to matter.

 

[ggibson913]

I think both ecosystems have lots to offer. I tried the Galaxy S5 but I ended up going back to the iPhone after I paid the phone off. For Android, I like that they had an app drawer that had all my apps in it leaving my screen without clutter. Loved all the different mods you could do on the phone to change the look and feel. Google maps is way better than Apple maps as well. Plus I liked that I could set Waze or whatever as my default map app. I disliked all of the apps that the carriers forced you to take and the waiting for updates to the O/S (major ones not security stuff). Being a Mac and an iPad user, I also missed the seamless integration between all of my devices. The apps on iOS at that time seemed more polished as others here stated. the iPhone camera at that time just fundamentally takes better pics in my opinion, much easier to get that good shot the first time.

 

[JBGoode]

I don't believe Windows 10 Home gets that leeway (deferred updates).

All I know is I have a Windows 10 Home tablet that gets used once in a blue moon and the one time I wanted to play with the darned thing, it was pretty much out of commission for the entire day because it decided to auto-update itself minutes after booting up. At least iOS and Android have the courtesy to ask you if/when you want to update.

Yes it does. I'm not sure about 35 days, but I've delayed updates for a week or more. When an update is ready to install I get a notification with the option to update right then or to input date/time of my choosing via the settings app. I use this laptop every day though and am always on top of that stuff. I imagine it might update itself if ignored long enough like when sitting unused for long periods of time.

 

[Lankyman]

You're just referring to the Pixel line though, is that right?

NO! OnePlus has announced this update cycle and my S7 is now on it's third OS update since I bought it. Oreo will I think be its last but it will still get security updates for another year. I think Sony and some others offer the same too.

The Pixel will get OS updates for 3 years followed by security updates.
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I don't believe Windows 10 Home gets that leeway (deferred updates).

The way to get around this on Windows 10 Home is to activate the 'metered connection' slider. This will then prevent any auto updates for around 30/35 days.

 

[Grimham]

My iPhone 6s Plus, has call blocking built in to iOS 11. It works perfect with out a need for any 3rd party apps.

I stopped reading TomsGuide when he sold the website. It’s ran by keyboard jockeys, who pump out a dozen articles a day like its a factory. I’ve learned to trust my own opinion years ago.

I think notifications are fine on iOS. They work.

Sorry, that one doesn't work the same way. I am talking about apps that have a call list databases that blocks known spammers. Works fine on Android, but iPhone, doesn't block half of them using the same app.

Also, if iOS notifications worked so well, why are they ditching them and copying Android? Enough said.

They are unorganized, and a mess to clear notifications on iOS.

 

[The Game 161]

Sorry, that one doesn't work the same way. I am talking about apps that have a call list databases that blocks known spammers. Works fine on Android, but iPhone, doesn't block half of them using the same app.

Also, if iOS notifications worked so well, why are they ditching them and copying Android? Enough said.

They are unorganized, and a mess to clear notifications on iOS.

what makes you think he isn't judging them on IOS 12?

Notifications are a mess currently but IOS 12 will make them perfect for my needs.

 

[spinedoc77]

I don't believe Windows 10 Home gets that leeway (deferred updates).

All I know is I have a Windows 10 Home tablet that gets used once in a blue moon and the one time I wanted to play with the darned thing, it was pretty much out of commission for the entire day because it decided to auto-update itself minutes after booting up. At least iOS and Android have the courtesy to ask you if/when you want to update.

Yeah I think you are right about deferring updates, what an awful decision to limit Windows Home that way. Sometimes I just cannot fathom the level of idiocy at Microsoft with decisions like these. But on Home you can schedule the restart, so it shouldn't restart while you are using it if you have it set to something like 3am. You also get a notification that you need to restart, and you can then choose to schedule the restart for later that day/night I believe, so it's not like it will just restart automatically.

I've also never had a tablet take an "entire day" to update. I have some pretty crappy 8" windows tablets that are slow as molasses and even those only take 20 minutes or so for a big update like the yearly feature updates, and a few minutes for most other updates.