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My eldest daughter still uses an iPhone 4 lol.
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To be fair though, I still have the 4S (in a drawer) but it's dreadfully dreadfully slow. You would need the patience of a saint to use it as a daily driver.
 
To be fair though, I still have the 4S (in a drawer) but it's dreadfully dreadfully slow. You would need the patience of a saint to use it as a daily driver.
I still have my ipad 2 and it's on ios 9. I don't consider it to be dreadfully slow and it's still used as a consumption and viewing device. Maybe making phone calls it's another story.
 
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To be fair though, I still have the 4S (in a drawer) but it's dreadfully dreadfully slow. You would need the patience of a saint to use it as a daily driver.
I wouldn’t expect an 8 year old smartphone to be fast and fluid like current daily drivers though. Our iPhone 4 works well for its age and isn’t as laggy as I’d expect. Someone I know has an HTC Incredible S for their child and despite it being a year younger than our iPhone 4, it’s struggling a lot.
 
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Why do you care? I was not replying to you. Sorry if you feel hurt that your beloved iPhone is not the only one with a "me-think-a killer-unique-capability"
Lol not hurt at all I just why you post on a forum of a company whose products/services you dislike.
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Yeah...talk about fart apps in App store. That's more embarrassing :)
Oh and yes that is embarrassing.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=fart app
 
I still have my ipad 2 and it's on ios 9. I don't consider it to be dreadfully slow and it's still used as a consumption and viewing device. Maybe making phone calls it's another story.
Well I got rid of my iPad 2 four years ago - reason? It was annoyingly slow way back then. When I use my 2018 iPad the performance is night and day.
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I wouldn’t expect an 8 year old smartphone to be fast and fluid like current daily drivers though. Our iPhone 4 works well for its age and isn’t as laggy as I’d expect. Someone I know has an HTC Incredible S for their child and despite it being a year younger than our iPhone 4, it’s struggling a lot.
You're not really comparing models of equal performance though. Looking at my 4S now I don't really know how I used a phone with such a tiny screen. I still maintain if I fire up my 4S now, which I have done from time to time the performance (iOS 9) is pretty dire.
 
Well I got rid of my iPad 2 four years ago - reason? It was annoyingly slow way back then. When I use my 2018 iPad the performance is night and day.
Of course, the GTR goes to 60 in 1.5 seconds, that doesn't mean an M5 is slow. I don't find it(iPad 2) annoying slow, I don't need instant response. Good enough on a 2011 device is fine with me.
 
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You're not really comparing models of equal performance though. Looking at my 4S now I don't really know how I used a phone with such a tiny screen. I still maintain if I fire up my 4S now, which I have done from time to time the performance (iOS 9) is pretty dire.
I was comparing two smartphones that were roughly the same age that’s all. I also owned an Incredible S back in 2011 and it was a superb phone in its day although it got only 2 updates in the 18 months I owned it. I can’t imagine trying to use it now.

My daughters have an iPad each, one is a 2 and the other is a 3. They are slower than my 2017 iPad but we’ve well and truly got our money’s worth. They are just loaded with films and kids apps for distraction situations when out and about, usually restaurants.
 
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Because at this point CPU power has reached its peak on mobile platforms. There is a speed test which shows Note 9 is barely faster than the Note 8 in this speed test. So this is nothing special. The Pixel 2 XL vs Pixel XL also showcases this.
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I checked my manual and it only says in the CPU installation part that Asus does not cover incorrect CPU installation in warranty. My question is where is it stated that inserting the CPU wrong will damage it beyond repair.



Seems straightforward to me. Phones are not meant to be sat on. Apple's phone was weaker than usual and it bent. Similarly the S Pen was not mean to be inserted in reverse. It got wrecked when people tried to. And from experience from using the Pen and its shape let me assure you that the only way you can insert it wrong is if you tried to.




I have used pure Android and iOS. My observations. After the setup screen iOS is a grid of icons. Android shows a desktop with icons full of customisation possibilities. There is absolutely no difference. I would argue ios is unintuitive in many ways like how turning off Bluetooth doesn't actually turn it off and file management for someone used to a file system is a total disaster. Android is also unintuitive in the system permissions part and battery health.



You/Apple can call it whatever you want to call it. That doesn't change the bottom line. Substance over from. They throttled the phone secretly as was showcased by Geekbench. No one was informed he meaning of power management. Apple has some nerve slowing down $800 products in just 2 years.
You’re right that Apple should’ve been straight forward with throttling iPhones.

The point is, the reason they did it to prevent unexpected shut downs due to degraded batteries. Every battery ages over a period of time with different variables affecting how long the battery lasts.

By no means should they have tried to hide this. But you can get a brand new Apple installed battery for any iPhone 5s-7 for $29 til the end of this year.
 
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You’re right that Apple should’ve been straight forward with throttling iPhones.

The point is, the reason they did it to prevent unexpected shut downs due to degraded batteries. Every battery ages over a period of time with different variables affecting how long the battery lasts.

By no means should they have tried to hide this. But you can get a brand new Apple installed battery for any iPhone 5s-7 for $29 til the end of this year.
It’s better than what happens on android, the phone just shuts down and you’re screwed.
 
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It’s better than what happens on android, the phone just shuts down and you’re screwed.

Citation please. All portable electronic devices I've used have had total battery time decrease as time went on, never sudden shutdowns.
 
Of course, the GTR goes to 60 in 1.5 seconds, that doesn't mean an M5 is slow. I don't find it(iPad 2) annoying slow, I don't need instant response. Good enough on a 2011 device is fine with me.
You're easily pleased is my first thought.
 
Citation please. All portable electronic devices I've used have had total battery time decrease as time went on, never sudden shutdowns.
https://androidforums.com/threads/phone-randomly-shuts-down-and-battery-level-gone-crazy.419704/
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You're easily pleased is my first thought.
Isnt that the very essence of why people prefer different things and value things differently. Maybe if I’m easily pleased your impossible to please. Nothing wrong with that either way.
 
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You’re right that Apple should’ve been straight forward with throttling iPhones.

The point is, the reason they did it to prevent unexpected shut downs due to degraded batteries. Every battery ages over a period of time with different variables affecting how long the battery lasts.

By no means should they have tried to hide this. But you can get a brand new Apple installed battery for any iPhone 5s-7 for $29 til the end of this year.
Been a special feature on UK consumer TV programme showing how Apple were finding any excuse they can for not replacing customers batteries under the scheme. They then charge most customers full price.
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Isnt that the very essence of why people prefer different things and value things differently. Maybe if I’m easily pleased your impossible to please. Nothing wrong with that either way.

Why settle for a third rate experience for goodness sake. Get your hand in your pocket and upgrade to the 2018 model.
 
Been a special feature on UK consumer TV programme showing how Apple were finding any excuse they can for not replacing customers batteries under the scheme. They then charge most customers full price.
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Why settle for a third rate experience for goodness sake. Get your hand in your pocket and upgrade to the 2018 model.
It serves my needs for now, when it doesn’t I will upgrade.:)
 
I think you’re a few years out of touch with iOS as a few of the things you say here are false. You can delete apps even stock ones from your iPhone etc. You can move the cursor around the screen using force touch by pressing on the keyboard and navigating around written text. You can block calls and text too. Recording calls can be done too, something which I’ve done.

I’m not overly picky when it comes to default apps as I choose what apps I use anyway. Never used Apple maps personally apart from when it first came out as google maps is sufficient and available. Have a play with an iOS device as I think you’ll be surprised how far they’ve come since 2010.

The iPhone still does not block calls well. I have tried multiple apps on my iPhone X and calls still get through. My Note 9, or previous Note 8, S9+, etc never would get through. The apps actually work in the background where I believe Apples iOS system shuts them down and they stop blocking.
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I think the take away from this thread is most people leave android because the operating system and updates are just better on iOS, a recent poll corroborates this too.

Source : https://www.pcmag.com/news/363269/why-do-people-switch-between-mobile-operating-systems

Main reason why people leave iOS to android is simply just cheaper and offers more apps albeit more unsecured.

10 Reasons Android Still Beats the iPhone
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/android-is-better-than-iphone,news-21296.html
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Notifications, CarPlay and apps are usually better on IOS.

Haha, NOPE. That is what Apple is worse known for is Notifications. Why you think they are completely changing them to copy Android now? lol
 
The iPhone still does not block calls well. I have tried multiple apps on my iPhone X and calls still get through. My Note 9, or previous Note 8, S9+, etc never would get through. The apps actually work in the background where I believe Apples iOS system shuts them down and they stop blocking.
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10 Reasons Android Still Beats the iPhone
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/android-is-better-than-iphone,news-21296.html
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Haha, NOPE. That is what Apple is worse known for is Notifications. Why you think they are completely changing them to copy Android now? lol
Didn’t toms guide also publish 10 reason ios beats android?

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-is-better-than-android,news-21307.html
 
The iPhone still does not block calls well. I have tried multiple apps on my iPhone X and calls still get through. My Note 9, or previous Note 8, S9+, etc never would get through. The apps actually work in the background where I believe Apples iOS system shuts them down and they stop blocking.
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10 Reasons Android Still Beats the iPhone
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/android-is-better-than-iphone,news-21296.html
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Haha, NOPE. That is what Apple is worse known for is Notifications. Why you think they are completely changing them to copy Android now? lol

My iPhone 6s Plus, has call blocking built in to iOS 11. It works perfect with out a need for any 3rd party apps.

I stopped reading TomsGuide when he sold the website. It’s ran by keyboard jockeys, who pump out a dozen articles a day like its a factory. I’ve learned to trust my own opinion years ago.

I think notifications are fine on iOS. They work.
 
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I didn’t want to get in to this but , screw it.

The cpu sockets for Intel CPUs have been nearly dummy proof for at least a decade.
More then a decade if you include Intel P3 cpus.
Back in, what ever year, P3 CPUs were soldered on to a cartridge, similar to a video game cartridge; NES, Sega, what ever. You couldn’t insert it the wrong way even if you were brain dead. The downside to the cpu being soldered to a cartridge, from what i remember, you couldn’t overclock the cpu as high vs a socket based intel cpu. Don’t quote me, it’s been a while but, it had something to do with chips and controllers mounted on the cartridge. It’s been a while and my memory is fuzzy.

On the plus side, cartridge based intel cpu’s, had a much better 3rd party coolers.

Alpha P7125 w/ YS Tech fans. This perticular cooler was the jigity bomb cooler. First cooler to use copper core and aluminum fins. It was decades ahead of its time.

Fast forward to Intel iCore cpu’s. The 1/4 inch long pins were removed from intel cpu. The intel cpu socket has pins but, they are flexible, to allow pressure and force to be applied to make a solid connection.
When you place an iCore intel cpu in to a socket, there is lever , that requires about 3-5lbs of force to clamp down and secure an Intel cpu. PSI varies depending on manufacturer of motherboard.
If you insert the cpu in the wrong position, you won’t be able to secure the lever with +20lbs of force.
There is a small notch on the cpu with a small gold triangle and there is a small triangle like cut out in the socket on the motherboard, that tells you how to properly place an Intel cpu in to a socket.

You have to be brain dead in your left toe and not able to figure out with out 4 hour YouTube video, how to install an Intel cpu in to a motherboard.

If you can figure out the right side up, when you insert a key in to a door lock, than inserting an Intel cpu in to a socket should be a no brainer.
I can’t believe, something so simple, had to be explained and argued over.

Back in 2007, I worked at Microcenter for a year as a Tech. I have seen only one time, when a customer did not properly assembled his own custom built computer. He brought it
in for diagnostics because it was over heating. The reason it was overheating, he used the entire tube of thermal paste.
He also used a self-tapping one inch screw, to secure a dvd/cd player. But, the cpu it self was properly secured.
 
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I glanced over the whole manual and I did not find a single page where it states that trying to insert the CPU wrong will damage it beyond repair. If it's stated in small fine print it might as well not be there. And this is only for the Intel CPUs where the pins are on the motherboard. With AMD the pins are on the CPU so it's even easier to bend one.

I bet you guys did not even bother to download the Note 5 manual and check out what was written in it. For your reference, this is the warning I am talking about


http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c...N920V_Galaxy-Note5_EN_UM_LL_5.1_OGE_FINAL.pdf


Warning: Be sure to insert your S Pen with the nib pointed inward. Inserting the S Pen the wrong way can cause it to become stuck and can damage the pen and your phone.



Seems straightforward that no matter how strong apple made a phone, some individual(s) could find a way to bend or break it. The s-pen is not similar to the phone in any way shape or form as it just slipped in the holding cradle with nary a care, and damaging the phone. The two are false equivalencies.

People ruined their phone and Samsung actually issued an engineering fix, so there's that.

And just like how Apple can't find a way to fix people's stupidity, Samsung can't either. Samsung showed the users how the Spen is to be inserted in the illustration. You use a device how it is meant to be used in the manual. If you experiment with it, it's on you not Samsung.

The MacBook keyboard stops working if dust gets under it. Is there anything given in the manual?

Bluetooth is a bad example because after the dust settled, I like control center 2.0 better than 1.0. But I do agree without a keyboard and limited screen real estate, sometimes a manual is needed.

No,it's a very good example as turning it off doesn't turn it off. The first switch on the planet which behaves like this.

Also don’t forget the auto brightness toggle. It isn’t located in display and brightness like it’s supposed to be. You have to dig inside a convoluted series of menus to find a simple toggle. An amateur will need a google search to find out where it is.

Well in that vein, you and rest of you guys can believe the hyperbole about it. But the truth is it's a power management profile and nothing else. And by the way, wasn't it you who said, benchmarks can be fixed? Or is it only benchmarks that show Apple doesn't slow down phones with succeeding IOS releases? But geekbench must be on the mark? Right? Or was it fixed to have some proof to start a lawsuit. Conspiracy theory, just like planned obsolescence?

Not only did apple tell you about power management, they gave you a way to control it, should one desire to.
Benchmarks can only be manipulated upwards, not downwards. No company wants to make their product look bad. Geekbench showed the score being halved and it was not a manipulation on the part of Geekbench because Apple confirmed later that what Geekbench was showing was genuine.

Apple only gave a way to solve it after 30 lawsuits were filed against it.
 
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These Android versus iOS threads are pointless. At the end of the day everyone thinks their OS and device is best. Even when people like myself state they are both good with little to choose between them people then argue with that postilion too.

It's far better to just stick with what suits you and forget anything else.
 
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It’s better than what happens on android, the phone just shuts down and you’re screwed.

On the contrary that's better then what Apple did.

What was happening on iOS-

Phone battery is defective. Battery unable to provide required charge. Owner is unaware of this and doesn't know about coconut battery and these other apps. Phone seems sluggish and is showing stuttering.Owner goes to the store. The store app is set up in such a way that unless battery health gets below 80% it will show up as fine on Apple's diags. Battery checks out fine. Owner is fed up with the slowdown. Goes out and buys a new iPhone using trade-in.


What reportedly happens on Android(no citation of any company as of yet)-

Phone shuts down. Owner goes to the store, issue is recognised as that of the battery. Buys a new battery. Problem solved.

See how easy it is? Unfortunately for Tim Cook, the above results in 1 less sale which is why he didn't do that.

Also I am still not sure if they are cheating in that battery health setting app so that people do not buy that discounted battery. My iPhone 6 battery health is 82% on coconut battery. On iOS 12 the inbuilt settings app shows health at 91%. Judging by the battery life, coconut battery seems to be more accurate to me.
 
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