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Remember, a lot of times there have been several extra improvements that have been added that weren’t announced in the keynote. They had a lot of ground to cover with Apple Intelligence, so there will likely be several things that either weren’t mentioned, or were only skimmed over.

When they make adding a calculator a big deal, I wouldn't expect much more to come.
 

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I will be honest I had my doubts with what the new iPad OS will give us but then I thought "Why would Apple put this M4 chip and offer us up to 16GB of ram if they weren't going to have a OS that needed that much power"

As I was watching the keynote I was so disappointed that the new OS offers us very little change and then we broke into Apple Intelligence which dont get me wrong is really cool as I am a daily user of ChatGPT however when Tim said as long as you have a M1 device you can use the Ai features was kinda a kick in the gut.

I love my Oled iPad but my M1 suited me just fine for my needs in the terms of horsepower.

I assume OS that handles RAM usage would not be a feature Apple would say in Keynotes. May be Apple is going allow apps now and web browsers to use 8GB of RAM or more and not capt it at 4GB.
 

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Remember, a lot of times there have been several extra improvements that have been added that weren’t announced in the keynote. They had a lot of ground to cover with Apple Intelligence, so there will likely be several things that either weren’t mentioned, or were only skimmed over.

Some of the members wanted new file system and new file manger, I would assume that would not be Keynote announcement.
 
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I think that would be hugely significant and would be a key highlight in the show. That's not an oh-by-the-way change.

These are pro features where 98% of iPads users are not asking for this and these mostly boomers use to old DOS, windows and Linux way of working with files than apps than generation Z use to cloud, share sheets than say boomers who want a file manger like windows or Linux.

This not some thing Apple will show.
 
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These are pro features where 98% of iPads users are not asking for this and these mostly boomers use to old DOS, windows and Linux way of working with files than apps than generation Z use to cloud, share sheets than say boomers who want a file manger like windows or Linux.

This not some thing Apple will show.

DOS, Windows, Linux? Does MacOS not work that way too? Last I checked, not just boomers used those OS's, including MacOS.

I suspect there are more than just 2 percent asking for more iPadOS capability.
 
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I disagree wholly.

The IOS and IPadOS is very app centric unlike DOS, Windows, Linux that is very file centric. Steve Jobs vision was device that by magic transfer data from one device to other and cloud and syncing and device a Grandma can use with out messing with file permissions, file types and copying files around. The Steve Jobs vision was very different when iOS was built from ground up. The iPad for longest time did not even have files app.

I seen Linux clone iOS nock offs and on day one terminal and file manger is the first thing they have because the philosophy is different on how they use it.

Steve jobs never made a iPad that had this on day one because the philosophy is you use the app to work with your files and you back up to the cloud and syncing.
 
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The IOS and IPadOS is very app centric unlike DOS, Windows, Linux that is very file centric. Steve Jobs vision was device that by magic transfer data from one device to other and cloud and syncing and device a Grandma can use with out messing with file permissions, file types and copying files around. The Steve Jobs vision was very different when iOS was built from ground up. The iPad for longest time did not even have files app.

I seen Linux clone iOS nock offs and on day one terminal and file manger is the first thing they have because the philosophy is different.

Steve jobs never made iPad had this one day one because the philosophy is you use app to work with your files And you back up to cloud and syncing.

Jobs is long dead and his vision has nothing to do with what changes they would discuss at WWDC. My point is that this change - if they made it - would be significant and would warrant highlighting.
 

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The IOS and IPadOS is very app centric unlike DOS, Windows, Linux that is very file centric. Steve Jobs vision was device that by magic transfer data from one device to other and cloud and syncing and device a Grandma can use with out messing with file permissions, file types and copying files around. The Steve Jobs vision was very different when iOS was built from ground up. The iPad for longest time did not even have files app.

I seen Linux clone iOS nock offs and on day one terminal and file manger is the first thing they have because the philosophy is different on how they use it.

Steve jobs never made a iPad that had this on day one because the philosophy is you use the app to work with your files and you back up to the cloud and syncing.
As much as I love the iPad, I despise the app centric system and much prefer a file centric one, on any OS.
 

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DOS, Windows, Linux? Does MacOS not work that way too? Last I checked, not just boomers used those OS's, including MacOS.

I suspect there are more than just 2 percent asking for more iPadOS capability.

If macOS was being built from the ground up today it would be very different also Steve Jobs value be simple and plain not complex. A computer should be easy for grandma to use.

Apple will never be like windows or Linux.
 
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Some of the members wanted new file system and new file manger, I would assume that would not be Keynote announcement.

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I like the redesign tab bar... I'm hoping that FileBrowser adopts it.

But if people are looking for something special with the Files app on iPadOS... I suggest move on to something else, maybe GoodReader or FE Explorer.
 

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As much as I love the iPad, I despise the app centric system and much prefer a file centric one, on any OS.
Unfortunately it goes back to roots on how the OS a got built. Many times the apps save the file to the app. Not messy around with files like windows and Linux.
 
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Unfortunately it goes back to roots on how the OS a got built. Many times the apps save the file to the app. Not messy around with files like windows and Linux.

Messy? Windows apps save the file to the location I opened it in. What is messy about that? Messy is when I have a project and the logically connected files of different types are scattered throughout the local storage of apps.
 

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If macOS was being built from the ground up today it would be very different also Steve Jobs value be simple and plain not complex. A computer should be easy for grandma to use.

Apple will never be like windows or Linux.

Steve Jobs is gone. It's time people put him to rest. And Apple is already like Windows and Linux - with MacOS. MacOS is built on Linux.

Why Apple continues to make these high powered iPads, maxing out to as much as $2600, using a phone OS, makes no sense anymore.
 

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As do I. When I manage files, I don't order them by type but rather their logical connection to each other.

I like boolean search and was awesome in the 90s and when Google first got started and database have one of the best search tools. But Google and many companies like Microsoft feel that boolean search is too complex to use and you need AI search. Most search engines are very AI now days with little to no boolean search really terrible it what they think you searching for and how popular it is the website and where it is rank.
 

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I like boolean search and was awesome in the 90s and when Google first got started and database have one of the best search tools. But Google and many companies like Microsoft feel that boolean search is too complex to use and you need AI search. Most search engines are very AI now days with little to no boolean search really terrible it what they think you searching for and how popular it is the website and where it is rank.

What does search have to do with logical management for of files?
 

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Unfortunately it goes back to roots on how the OS a got built. Many times the apps save the file to the app. Not messy around with files like windows and Linux.
What's messy is iPadOS. Indeed unfortuntely it was built this way and it's now hard to turn it into a more efficient file centric system.
 

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Steve Jobs is gone. It's time people put him to rest. And Apple is already like Windows and Linux - with MacOS. MacOS is built on Linux.

Why Apple continues to make these high powered iPads, maxing out to as much as $2600, using a phone OS, makes no sense anymore.

MacOS is like that because the OS is very old.

Back in the 80s and 90s almost no one had internet and DOS being built on disk operating system was norm because hard drives had only KB of disk space. You could not have cloud and syncing technology back in the 80s and 90s even 2000s. Working with files was the only way.
 
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MacOS is like that because the OS is very old.

Back in the 80s and 90s almost no one had internet and DOS being built on disk operating system was norm because hard drives had only KB of disk space. You could not have cloud and syncing technology back in the 80s and 90s even 2000s. Working with files was the only way.

Many people don't want sandboxing on a desktop OS. Apps can't share files easily under iOS. And business users don't want many of their stuff left insecure on a cloud service.
 

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Messy? Windows apps save the file to the location I opened it in. What is messy about that? Messy is when I have a project and the logically connected files of different types are scattered throughout the local storage of apps.
Well because some people don’t know how to use file manger . It easier to open the app and find you files you been working on. If you don’t know what you doing you can move or delete important files.

Yes if you from the 80s, 90s or even 2000s you are use to working with file manger and copying files to CD,DVD, Floppy disk or hard drive. But generation Z will find cloud back ups and syncing easier and faster.

The share sheets is how transfer file from one app to other app on iPad or iPhone.
 
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Many people don't want sandboxing on a desktop OS. Apps can't share files easily under iOS. And business users don't want many of their stuff left insecure on a cloud service.
Unfortunately Apple never tried to compete in business world there no section on Mac or iPad called business Mac or business iPad like HP, Dell and a Acer so on like they do.

If Apple was competing in the business world the iPad probably would have different user accounts, admin accounts, group policies, file level permissions levels, terminal, proper file manger, major file access, virtualization and such use for servers and in the business world.
 
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sparksd

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Well because some people don’t know how to use file manger . It easier to open the app and find you files you been working on. If you don’t know what you doing you can move or delete important files.

Yes if you from the 80s, 90s or even 2000s you are use to working with file manger and copying files to CD,DVD, Floppy disk or hard drive. But generation Z will find cloud back ups and syncing easier and faster.

The share sheets is how transfer file from one app to other app on iPad or iPhone.

Gen Z will still have files to work with and whether they are backed up in the cloud or not is irrelevant. And shares sheets is a nice way to share individual files but not gigabytes worth of disparate data.
 
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Why Apple continues to make these high powered iPads, maxing out to as much as $2600, using a phone OS, makes no sense anymore.
Then what do you suggest they do? Make base iPads and don't try to push it further. The Macs can be maxed out to over $12,000... should Apple not make those?

And it's not as if they are forcing people to buy these "high powered iPads"... if a user cares to spend that much, then it's on them. I don't see why folks think they should regulate what a company should make... especially a trillion-dollar company.
 
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