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Why don´t we just call it iFlop
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I agree that Stephen Fry is a fanboy. He was the second British person to buy a mac ever. However needthephone had tried to add a little legitimacy to his argument by effectively saying, even Stephen Fry doesn't really like it. I was just pointing out that that was wrong.
But blathering out positive opinions "without experience of the device or knowledge of the market" is somehow different? Seems exactly the same thing to me
What are you guys afraid of? It's coming out of your posts in spades that you feel threatened by the ipad
Really bizarre It's just a fun digital media machine for the masses with simple UI that anyone can grasp.
Really bizarre
It's just a fun digital media machine for the masses with simple UI that anyone can grasp.
But blathering out positive opinions "without experience of the device or knowledge of the market" is somehow different? Seems exactly the same thing to me
Not so. It would be that I am interested in the device and being invested.
Being disinterested, uninvested, and blathering about it smacks of highly disingenuous motive. Or they are just creeps.
What are you guys afraid of? It's coming out of your posts in spades that you feel threatened by the ipad
Really bizarre
I think the underlying fear of these people is that Apple is moving away from its core 1980s-90s audience of hard-nosed computer-literate "techies" and is actually focusing more on Joe Public with consumer-friendly devices.
The circumstances are different. You forget how bad phones were. The world was crying out for a new platform, a different smart phone that gets it right. No-one had any idea about the App Store, and even the web browsing was a bit of a novelty. The killer app was an easy to use phone, and a nice widescreen video iPod. Multitouch was the hook.
Apple is not yours, unless you are a major shareholder. And although the stock is down a few dollars, that's nothing for a wild ride like AAPL. And I think the latest revenue figures are a far more concrete indicator of whether apple has lost its way, than trying to outwit the best marketers in the world from your armchair.
Why?
I agree that it will have an impact.
Ironically, Apple is visionary with iPad. They have a vision of the future, and this product is intended to bring that vision to the masses. The risk of hubris is high, and I believe this offering and presentation does not convey the vision well enough. That's why people are left scratching their heads. Future revisions will correct the mistakes.
Agreed.
To avoid the wrath of the armchair marketers, this product is either too late (islate
) or too early. To be seen as revolutionary, it is too late. There is no new tech. It should have come when the App Store opened to retain that iPhone/touch newness.Alternatively, it is too early. It needs a game changing tech (haptic feedback, new screen tech etc), or much slicker software (multi-app), widespread ebook deals.
Missing hardware that will undoubtedly be in later versions (SD, camera) only add fuel to the fire, but as far as the success of the iPad is concerned, they are irrelevant.
As someone else said, the whole thing feels rushed. Some parts have been well thought out and considered, while others are not. Apple has its work cut out. But barring some sort of calamity (loss of key personnel, some other distraction or wars in other markets), they will recover, and the iPad will become a huge success. They just made it to market in time. Any later and it would have been too late.
It's reasonably priced, it's sexy and it has Apple's marketing behind it.
It will sell millions.
You seem to be confusing tech heads who are annoyed it can't do multi tasking etc. with the general population, who couldn't give a flying f**k.
It will sell millions.
You seem to be confusing tech heads who are annoyed it can't do multi tasking etc. with the general population, who couldn't give a flying f**k.
Tell "us"? You and some people on Youtube? People go onto youtube to hate, it is a breeding ground for that......none of those people have even touched on yet, yet they hate it. Great.
"we" need to let them know it??...Once again you and who here? If you really wanted to tell someone GO AND EMAIL THEM DIRECTLY!
You know I have a desktop computer (yes i bought it last year and it is an iMac) I don't like Notebooks or Netbooks. I have no use for them. I am not a salesman going door to door. Nor am I a person who wants to sit in bed and do work. In a few years (maybe 1-2) i can see buying one (an iPad).
Hey and since I am on the subject of the iPad, yeah no Flash support stinks but I really don't watch network TV so Hulu is useless for the most part to me. So is a portable gaming device, i have a DSi to download games and play cartridges. But nothings perfect.
You seem to not be unbiased......you do the same thing that most do that trash a product without actually using first. (and even most that actually did use it) It goes like this.....the flamer says
"This product sucks! It doesn't do X Y or Z or the features are not up to MY standards! But I own this companies other products! So I am unbiased." (ok they usually dont say that last part)
It is the same....i am on another message board and on one of the forums there and it is the same in their Geek forums. Only it is not Apple/Mac it is Nintendo/Wii. Same garbage
and so on......
People think that they are anonymous on the web, thats why so much garbage here/Youtube, etc...
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Which is amazing when you consider that Steve reportedly worked on this for four years! And all the Apple design department could come up with was an iPhone rehash! So, let's review for a moment the thinking behind iFlop:
- Design -- When you zoom up the iPhone to the iPad, the most common reaction is that it feels and looks odd, almost cartoon-like. Shrinking is the usual trend, and that would have been OK. With all the design talent at Apple why couldn't we have had an optimized design that would better fit the larger case? That retrofitting strategy also shows when you view the desktop, it looks ridiculous having those tiny apps zoomed up to a very large screen.
- Technology -- We've already heard that PA Semi chip is simply a rebadged chip. No specially developed haptic feedback. Nothing mindblowing here.
- Content -- No deals were announced with TV content suppliers or magazine publishers, the very people that need to propel this concept forward. Without content, or the "killer app," this thing is nothing more than a giant iPhone.
- Customer experience -- Apple has already suffered mightily at the hand of consumers when they introduced their first iPhone which deleted incredibly basic features like copy and paste, Bluetooth ADP, MMS etc. How could they not listen again? Why not use that larger form factor to add things that would have made the device complete, regular SIM card, SD card memory expansion, video camera, a USB port? The video camera in particular is an amazing oversight for such an accomplished company, that pioneered with the iSight.
- Superior browsing experience -- Steve Jobs, this iPad is not for you! It's designed for the rest of us! And we need to watch Hulu and thousands of other sites that use Flash. Why, I can't even look up White Castles when I get a craving because they use Flash. It's not acceptable on the iPhone but totally ridiculous for a device that claims "superior browsing experience."
- Cost/Value -- People loved it when Apple announced a $500 starting price, but the reality is that after a MacBook and an iPhone, the marginal value of an iPad, which really deserves the $829 version and the $360/year data plan, is debatable. Since you can do so much more with your MacBook and iPhone, the iPad will quickly end up in your closet along with all those other orphaned toys.
- Perfection -- Steve Jobs is often portrayed as the perfectionist. But what kind of perfectionist would not have considered all the above factors, and not have been smart enough to circumvent the negative feedback after having already survived the Mac Cube, Apple TV, iPhone 1.0 and MacBook Air experiences?
Live the vision, do the right thing, Apple!
Michael Tchong
Founder of MacWEEK
Well you sir are just a hater or should I said denier of the truth. The truth that this was a bad product to make. No innovation whatsoever! It could have been good, but the failed big time. Seems like they got lazy and took the easy way out. Maybe because the iPhone was such a success, they got lazy? Who knows, but that usually happens to people and companies who are at the top, they get too comfortable and then they come crashing down.
I only hope that Apple will listen us and learn from this bad mistake! And maybe this will become a good product in year or two, who knows, but now it´s just useless toy.
I love how some of you state that the iPad has failed even before it has been released.
We have no idea what the sales will be until we see the numbers after it goes on sale in a couple of months.
Anyhow, my bet is that the iPad will be very popular and sell well.
The absolute truth is that this is your opinion. You are absolutely entitled to it. But it is still just your opinion. I know that I am going to buy it. I know others who are planning to. I know that if even 1% of people think the way I think the iPad will be a huge success. You hating it will not matter at all if enough people love it.
People love also many other things that are absolutely worthless, that´s what´s wrong in the world and we don´t need more things and products like that!
It´s called VANITY!
Because this is useful for me, it means I'm vain.
I completely accept that the iPad wouldn't work for you. That's cool. The inability to accept that others may not feel the same, with legitimate reasons, is rather arrogant.
I have spent the last around six months deciding on whether to buy a MBA. I need something that is light weight, portable, able to browse the web, and preferably able to edit a document.
While for short periods of time the iPhone fits the bill. There is only so long that it is comfortable to use a screen that is so small. In a meeting it soon becomes annoying.
An iPad does everything that I want it to do. It's significantly lighter, which was the only reason why I was considering the MBA over the MBP. It also cost significantly less than an MBA, which considering it does all I need, in a form factor that is better for me, this is an extra bonus.
Which is amazing when you consider that Steve reportedly worked on this for four years! And all the Apple design department could come up with was an iPhone rehash! So, let's review for a moment the thinking behind iFlop:
- Customer experience -- Apple has already suffered mightily at the hand of consumers when they introduced their first iPhone which deleted incredibly basic features like copy and paste, Bluetooth ADP, MMS etc.
Live the vision, do the right thing, Apple!
Michael Tchong
Founder of MacWEEK
Really?
October 2007:http://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/art...t_Share_Impact_Customer_Satisfaction_Extreme/
Apparently iPad has flash...
here's a link to everyone who's ranting about no Flash in the iPad!
The iPad has Adobe's Flash
maybe Apple [steve jobs] deliberately visited a webpage with flash (while showing that its not supported yet), just to nudge Adobe in the right way and making their plugins better for macs, thus apple applying them on their iDevices, what do you all think?
PS. as for me, I would prefer it not having it, but meh...
here's a link to everyone who's ranting about no Flash in the iPad!
The iPad has Adobe's Flash
maybe Apple [steve jobs] deliberately visited a webpage with flash (while showing that its not supported yet), just to nudge Adobe in the right way and making their plugins better for macs, thus apple applying them on their iDevices, what do you all think?
PS. as for me, I would prefer it not having it, but meh...
Will it flop? Nobody at this point knows.
It's as ridiculous to say it will as it is to say that it is the end all be all device.
The fact is that it appears that not all the software is finished and only a few hundred people have had a limited amount of time with it.
For those complaining about the actual hardware, remember, this is Apple - the company that puts a display out, single USB, power, and audio out on one of its notebooks.
I think the hardware is surprisingly good. If you had told me it allows external keyboard entry and a dongle for projector out I would have said you are crazy.
Here are the points that I think the iPad has going for it in order to be successful.
1. Apple is going to market this thing to death. Unlike the AppleTV, the iPad will have the full weight of the Apple marketing machine behind it.
2. It constitutes a good value. There is absolutely nothing else like it for $499.
3. The people who have used it, have almost universally said that what it does do, it does very well despite their complaints on myriad issues.
4. The iWork software demonstrates that it is possible to design really high-class apps for this type of machine. Sure it's not full-blown OSX, but it will be interesting to see how much the real estate issue has curtailed really great development for the iPhone OS.
5. I imagine there is going to be this visceral reaction between potential consumers and this device in a way similar to the iPod and iPhone that is difficult to quantify.
If the device fails, it's not because it's too big or too small or that Apple hasn't allowed Flash or multitasking. It will be because Apple has become too arbitrary in application approval and has generally pissed off the developers and content providers. This is an actual concern.
I am still uncertain if I will get one, but I see it having more potential than pitfalls.
It's as ridiculous to say it will as it is to say that it is the end all be all device.
The fact is that it appears that not all the software is finished and only a few hundred people have had a limited amount of time with it.
For those complaining about the actual hardware, remember, this is Apple - the company that puts a display out, single USB, power, and audio out on one of its notebooks.
I think the hardware is surprisingly good. If you had told me it allows external keyboard entry and a dongle for projector out I would have said you are crazy.
Here are the points that I think the iPad has going for it in order to be successful.
1. Apple is going to market this thing to death. Unlike the AppleTV, the iPad will have the full weight of the Apple marketing machine behind it.
2. It constitutes a good value. There is absolutely nothing else like it for $499.
3. The people who have used it, have almost universally said that what it does do, it does very well despite their complaints on myriad issues.
4. The iWork software demonstrates that it is possible to design really high-class apps for this type of machine. Sure it's not full-blown OSX, but it will be interesting to see how much the real estate issue has curtailed really great development for the iPhone OS.
5. I imagine there is going to be this visceral reaction between potential consumers and this device in a way similar to the iPod and iPhone that is difficult to quantify.
If the device fails, it's not because it's too big or too small or that Apple hasn't allowed Flash or multitasking. It will be because Apple has become too arbitrary in application approval and has generally pissed off the developers and content providers. This is an actual concern.
I am still uncertain if I will get one, but I see it having more potential than pitfalls.
Hahahah, I want to see you typing on that thing in a serious meeting. Holding it in the other hand and typing with one finger with the other hand. Ridiculous! Everyone would laugh you out from that meeting.
Stop deluding yourself man! Get real!MBA is kinda useless device also. MBA would be killer, if that would be the tablet!
If you need something light weight, why don´t you get a serious computer like the 13" MacBook Pro? It´s light! Really! If you deny this, you need to go to the gym!
You can set it on the table at your meeting and type away with so much more ease. + You´ll get so much more with it! And dare I say, even better internet browsing experience! And you have iPhone 3G for that other stuff and occasional internet browsing, which it does perfectly fine! And it´s much more portable than the iFlop!
Hahahah, I want to see you typing on that thing in a serious meeting. Holding it in the other hand and typing with one finger with the other hand. Ridiculous! Everyone would laugh you out from that meeting.
MBA is kinda useless device also. MBA would be killer, if that would be the tablet!
If you need something light weight, why don´t you get a serious computer like the 13" MacBook Pro? It´s light! Really! If you deny this, you need to go to the gym!
And you have iPhone 3G for that other stuff and occasional internet browsing, which it does perfectly fine! And it´s much more portable than the iFlop!
I rarely type in board meetings, I'd mostly be using it to read documents, like I do on my iPhone. I also seriously doubt that it is harder or more awkward to type on than the iPhone. It would just make it easier. I don't need a portable serious computer, my serious computing is done admirably by my iMac. Believe me when I say using a wheelchair plus the weight of the MBP would be a huge inconvenience. Which is why I had already completely discounted the MBP. For my circumstances it is the best solution I have seen.
By the way I'd be quite happy to be in a group of my fellow directors typing on the iPad.
Also as you said the iPhone is great for browsing for short periods, for longer than 30 minutes?
I will not call it the iFlop because NFW does it fail in the marketplace. In fact, to the contrary, it will succeed, and brilliantly. Let's revisit in May 2011 after it's been on the market for a year, shall we?
I can't believe how childish people have got over this release, okay so it doesn't do what you want... suck it up and get over it.
"iFlop"? Pick your toys up and put them back in the pram.
"iFlop"? Pick your toys up and put them back in the pram.
Ok then, clearly you have convinced yourself that the iPad is worth the money (to YOU of course) and worth carrying around WITH the iPhone in your pocket. To me that´s just ridiculous and so we shall agree to disagree. You´re fine with that?
I wasn´t talking about time periods of surfing, but now that you asked, absolutely! I have browsed with it many times a lot longer than 30 minutes. I was mainly talking about, when you´re on the go. I wouldn´t ever take iPad on the go, ´cause it can´t be carried around like the iPhone, in the pocket... only then I would take it on the go, if it would have full OS X.
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