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RawBert

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You have spent all day complaining about a item you will never buy on a forum for the product, why waste your time? Strange. :confused: I think you just like to flame and argue.

People are going to buy it, I know of at least 10 others including me.

Breezy, You took the words right out of my mouth (or fingers?).

BobHail, it makes no sense to complain about the iPad when you will never buy one.
You need to stop complaining and move on with your opinions on other products.

Enough, already!
C'mon!
 

FrankieTDouglas

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I can't wait until the developers create some amazing apps for the iPad, wouldn't you like a touch version of Photoshop? Or maybe a multitouch version of Logic?

Only if I preferred to finger paint rather than using a paintbrush.

How is my finger supposed to scale down to a 5 pixel brush in Photoshop? Now if the ipad doubled as a wacom-type device, it'd have a worth to it outside of toy novelty.

And it makes perfect sense to complain about a poor new product, even if you have no plans of purchasing one. Otherwise, Apple will continue on down this path and slowly introduce elements of bad devices into your standard, functional computer platforms. Let's not forget how they began to "iPhone-ize" their desktop devices. The cinema display was tossed out for a screen that looks very similar to an iPhone, complete with super reflective screen and all. Actually, they did that to all of their computers. If we want matte options, we get to pay EXTRA for what was standard and superior functionality from not too long ago. Or what about when they stripped firewire off the 13" Macbook? They pointed to a lack of need for it and reduced functionality, except Apple users protested in GREAT numbers. Then Apple brought it back to their 13" lineup.

So yes, if you don't like where Apple is heading, it is perfectly acceptable to complain. Otherwise, say nothing when Apple has complete dictation over how you will work on the materials you need inside of your profession. The OSX system is something people have a LOT invested in, and there are no other options to take much of our software to if we don't like Apple's decision. So we better speak up when things appear to be going off-track.
 

iranintoavan

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This is gonna be a really long post but hopefully it will point out some things to people that are bashing the features on the iPad, I am not a crazy troll or fanboy just wasting your time praising apple for everything but I feel like some of you are missing the point of the device, so if you can, please read the whole thing :)

I saw the iPad yesterday and while I won't buy one because I don't have a need for it other than it would be cool to play with one, most regular consumers will like it.

Just the fact that we are all posting on an Apple forum shows that we are an exception, a small fraction of the people in the world. We are, for the most part, computer nerds. The iPad wasn't necessary designed for us. Sure some of us like it and may get it but it was designed for people who don't know much about computers and just want it to work.

I'm an IT major on my way to having a job in the IT field next year and I have tons of friends that are not computer savvy at all and they don't care or even understand most of the complaints that everyone online is talking about. Let me go over some of the points from the Gizmodo post "8 things that suck about the iPad" and talk about them from the viewpoint of a standard average computer user, which is by far the majority of people in the world. http://gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad.

Big, Ugly Bezel

Well this is clearly not going to be a main issue with most people because quite frankly people aren't going to care. They even said in their article that it's made this way so you can hold your thumbs there without touching the actual screen. So this is really a moot point. I think people would be more upset if you couldn't comfortably hold the iPad without touching icons accidentally.

No Multitasking

Of course for people like you and me, we would love to be able to run tons of apps and multitask like there's no tomorrow but most people don't. I have explained and asked some of my friends that have iPhones about this and none of them really even understood because when you leave notes to go into the email app, once you go back to notes, it's still right where you left off. Most people wouldn't even know that it wasn't multitasking because it saves where you were.

Push notifications solve the problem (granted I wish there was a better way of organizing the notifications such as the Palm Pre, but I'm sure they will add that on in 4.0.) of wanting an AIM or Twitter app open while you are doing other things because honestly, if you had them both open, AIM would just pop up with a growl like notification in the top corner like on OS X and then you would switch over to your AIM app and type to them and then come back to the browser or whatever else you were doing.

The biggest thing people would want to know is if they can listen to their iPod app while doing other things, which you can. I understand that there are some other apps like Pandora that personally I would love to run while doing other things but realistically most people don't use Pandora. The iPhone OS has sold over 75+ million units. I looked up some stats on Pandora and the most recent thing I could find was around 2 million accounts registered on the OS. That's almost 1/40 people that even know what it is and made an account, I'm sure far less actually use it all the time and consider it a deal breaker.

For the average user, multitasking just makes the device more prone to failure / slowdowns and the like which would possible compromise the entire "it just works" mentality that is drawing people to it in the first place. Normal consumers don't want to have to think about the computer, and maintaining it and understanding it, they just want to go online and have it work and for the most part Apple is accomplishing that, by controlling everything that happens. Lets face it, if consumers are allowed to run rampant people would end up complaining it crashes and its slow and the like. They need to be controlled. I have to fix peoples computers all the time because they didn't know what they were doing and either installed a virus or just bloated up their computer so much because they just clicked OK on everything. The iPhone OS doesn't let that happen.

No Cameras

Yes this would be nice to have (however I NEVER use mine on my mac) and it's sure to come to the next model. It's just a business strategy to make you buy the next one too. Yeah it sucks but you can't blame em for that, it's just business. If they added every feature everyone wanted in 1.0 no one would ever buy 2.0.

Touch Keyboard

If the keyboard is at least as fast to use as the iPhone then it will be fine. I can type almost 30-40 words per minute on my iPhone. Most people aren't speed demons at typing and can't type super fast anyways. For most general web surfing, it doesn't require a large amount of typing. Once you need to bust out the iWork to type a paper or something, either learn to be really good with the virtual keyboard which I bet will happen. I know tons of people that originally complained about the keyboard on the iPhone and eventually learned how to be fast on it. But if you don't like that option, get the keyboard dock for the hardcore typing, or use a bluetooth apple keyboard.

No HDMI Out

I doubt many people will use this feature anyways but either way, there is an adapter to hook it up to projectors, TV's and such. True it's not HDMI, which sucks for people like us that want the best quality 1080P Bluerays on HDMI but I bet if you said to the general people like Dad that wants to hook it up to watch a movie or show family pictures you can hook it up but it's not HDMI it's Component instead, he's not gonna care as long as a picture shows up on the screen.

The Name iPad

Sure, pretty crappy name but honestly, a reason not to get one? Who cares...everyone will forget it after a while anyways and no one will end up caring.

No Flash

Now I will give it to you, this is a pretty big deal to normal users, even if they don't know it. However I will point out a few things that make this less of a big deal, especially in the upcoming months and years.

All the major websites a general web surfing non geek are probably gonna be fine, lets go through a few of em. Youtube, has an app that's better than the site anyways, either way it's going HTML 5 anyways so even if there wasn't an app it would still be ok. (HTML 5, by the way, is up and coming tech and you can be sure that web developers are just itching to use it and dump flash. As time goes on this will eventually become a non issue. I don't need to point out how bad flash is, but if you want to see for yourself read this article.) But regardless, there's a youtube app, so that's covered and that's a big percentage of the flash usage by people right there.

News sites, ok there is flash video on news sites but most major news sites are gonna have an app or already do that lets you watch the videos there in a better way anyways.

Video sites like hulu, true, it does suck that you can't watch hulu but I imagine eventually they (and other like them) will make an app. Apple is starting to loosen up on the app store process, made evident by the fact that they let in VOIP apps over 3G just the other day. Streaming apps can't be far behind.

So yes, it sorta does suck that flash isn't on their but in the end it would cause more problems than it would be worth. Its the number one reason for crashes on Mac OS X. Do you think people want their "it just works" iPad crashing all the time just like a "normal complicated computer"? No, and like I said between the apps and HTML 5, it should be a non issue soon. At least most of the popular sites.

Adapters, Adapters, Adapters

Sure they could have thrown in a USB port or an SD slot but I guarentee you they are waiting for 2.0. Just like I said earlier, they can't add all the features right now. In the meantime it's not that big a deal. The adapter to hook up to a tv or projector doesn't matter cause even if it had a HDMI port or Mini Display Port you would still have to carry around a cable.

The camera / USB picture importer...yeah an SD slot would be nice but most people are used to just keeping their USB cable in their camera bag for whenever they wanna sync it anyways so I really doubt it will be much of a deal breaker. A little inconvenient, yeah but not a big deal, and it will surely be fixed in the next generation.

Cameras are probably the most used USB or SD item that any general consumer would use anyways so it's not that big a deal to not include any other USB support. If they want to give their friend a picture or iWork document, for the meantime they can always just email it no big deal. It won't make much of a difference for the normal consumer.

It's Not Widescreen

Sure 16:9 would be nice, but I promise you most people don't even know what aspect ratio is, and therefore probably won't care. They are used to letterboxes on their TV's so they probably won't really mind. It's only a horrible big deal to people like us.

Doesn't Support T-Mobile 3G

Not really that much of an issue, I bet the amount of people that it would benefit isn't a huge percentage. I know everyone hates AT&T so maybe I'm off a bit but still, it's already unlocked and the data plan for it is really a deal and a pretty cool implementation if you ask me. Did anyone even expect it to be unlocked and compatible with tons of carriers?

A Closed App Ecosystem

No one thats not computer savey knows what this even means. They just know there are already 140,000 apps and counting, quick. And tons of them are AMAZING. I promise you your mom or even one of my friends that doesn't know much about computers isn't going "man I wish apple was more open source because there aren't enough apps that let me do what I really want with my phone!". Bet you none of them even know what google voice is.

In conclusion, if anyones still reading by now, I just feel like everyone missing the point of this device. This would be perfect for my friends that just like to go online and listen to itunes, perfect for my mom who doesn't know anything about computers and doesn't want to bother with them, just wants to read emails and do online banking occasionally. Lets just put it this way, if there's ever a computer that my grandma could use or even think about getting, it would be an iPad. I know it's supposed to be used as a secondary device that syncs with a computer but honestly, if my mom had one she wouldn't need computer to sync it with cause mostly she would just be surfing the internet, reading books and uploading pictures to it from her camera and at 499 it's a pretty good price for everything it does.
 

needthephone

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This happens with every Apple product released. It happened with the original iPod, the iPhone and now the iPad.

In a years time, everyone will want/have one. And when Apple releases a new product, the cycle will repeat again.

Sorry not true.

The excitement the iphone generated was incredible, Most people craved one.

No this is an Idud and will not sell that well.

appleTV springs to mind but at least that had a point.
 

bzollinger

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Agreed. I think the iPad has taken too much of every news source in the world. I hope millions of people benefit from it and it's the most important thing SJ has ever done. But until something really starts to happen, enough already!
 

surferfromuk

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Upon careful consideration my ultimate analysis is this :

I think Johnson & Johnson need to release a 12" tablet (increased size merely for bragging rights) with a cut-down version of Windows 98 on it because this new UI paradigm is literally scaring the cr*p out of those who are evidently incapable of imagining a future without mice pointers and start menus (or flash).
 

greygray

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Same went for the first gen iPhone. Same whining on the forums. Exactly the same. 2 megapixel camera? Jeez! Was what they said. :rolleyes:
 

needthephone

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The thing about the ipad is that it is so un apple in that IT WILL NOT BE COOL TO OWN ONE.

People will laugh at you rather than go oooo he/she is so cool with the new apple IXXXX.
 

steve-p

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The thing about the ipad is that it is so un apple in that IT WILL NOT BE COOL TO OWN ONE.

People will laugh at you rather than go oooo he/she is so cool with the new apple IXXXX.
Even if that were true, which I'm not going to debate, who cares? Anyone who buys stuff just because they think it makes them look cool needs to get a bit less insecure.
 

BobHail

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Only if I preferred to finger paint rather than using a paintbrush.

How is my finger supposed to scale down to a 5 pixel brush in Photoshop? Now if the ipad doubled as a wacom-type device, it'd have a worth to it outside of toy novelty.

And it makes perfect sense to complain about a poor new product, even if you have no plans of purchasing one. Otherwise, Apple will continue on down this path and slowly introduce elements of bad devices into your standard, functional computer platforms. Let's not forget how they began to "iPhone-ize" their desktop devices. The cinema display was tossed out for a screen that looks very similar to an iPhone, complete with super reflective screen and all. Actually, they did that to all of their computers. If we want matte options, we get to pay EXTRA for what was standard and superior functionality from not too long ago. Or what about when they stripped firewire off the 13" Macbook? They pointed to a lack of need for it and reduced functionality, except Apple users protested in GREAT numbers. Then Apple brought it back to their 13" lineup.

So yes, if you don't like where Apple is heading, it is perfectly acceptable to complain. Otherwise, say nothing when Apple has complete dictation over how you will work on the materials you need inside of your profession. The OSX system is something people have a LOT invested in, and there are no other options to take much of our software to if we don't like Apple's decision. So we better speak up when things appear to be going off-track.

Excellent answer to RawBert´s and BreezyXC60´s idiotic posts. Couldn´t have said it better. And who are they to tell us what we can and can´t do?

Apple is definitely on the wrong track here and we need to make sure they know it!

Apple could have spend all this precious time making something truly worthy, but instead they took the easy way out and just made a bigger iPod Touch. NO INNOVATION WHATSOEVER!!!
 
iFlop just doesn't roll of the tongue the same as iPad! Close second though!
As much as you wish it, the iPad will probably not flop, as many consumers (read Joe Six-Pack and Soccer Mothers) will buy it and use it as their primary computer. We (by we I mean most people on MacRumors) are prosumers which means we are generally more informed then consumers and the iPad is not for us. We, the geeks, will be using our iPhones and we do not need a big iPod touch, however this is the perfect device for most consumers, and I think Apple have priced it very well and they will probably sell millions of copies.

King Mook Mook
 

needthephone

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Even if that were true, which I'm not going to debate, who cares? Anyone who buys stuff just because they think it makes them look cool needs to get a bit less insecure.

I have never brought apple stuff to be cool or look cool. But I know a lot of people who do as apple is seen as being the cachet of cool.

If you call this superficial. Yes it is but it's what apple have been trading in for years. Look at relaxed easy going I'm an apple and fat square PC man.

apple has lost it's cool and that is tragic as it was probably the only 'cool' company out there which had products the average man and women could afford.

OK there is still ASton Martin, Lotus but get my point.
 

BobHail

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iFlop just doesn't roll of the tongue the same as iPad! Close second though!
As much as you wish it, the iPad will probably not flop, as many consumers (read Joe Six-Pack and Soccer Mothers) will buy it and use it as their primary computer. We (by we I mean most people on MacRumors) are prosumers which means we are generally more informed then consumers and the iPad is not for us. We, the geeks, will be using our iPhones and we do not need a big iPod touch, however this is the perfect device for most consumers, and I think Apple have priced it very well and they will probably sell millions of copies.

King Mook Mook

But you and others fail to understand one serious key point!

IT DOESN`T WORK AS A STANDALONE DEVICE!!!

You need to have a Mac (or a Windows PC with iTunes) to be able to use it. So what´s the point then, when you can surf the web, do other tasks perfectly well and more... with your Mac. This will be a deal breaker even for lots of grandmas out there.

If it only would work as a standalone device without the need to sync, then Apple would have something special, but now they just have nothing. Sad but true.
 

ditzy

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If 80-90% decide that the iPad is not for them, but 10-20% love and buy it. Apple is on to a huge success. More people would own iPads than macs. I don't think that this will happen, but what I'm trying to point out is that just because most people wouldn't buy something does not make it a failure.
 

needthephone

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The universal critisism is everywhere. Even Stephen Fry has said it may not be good now but wait for verison 2 or 3. That's appaling when he has to resort to reviewing products 2-3 years away.

It's the polar opposite of the excitement the iphone created.

I am as apple a fan boy as they come. I have two imacs, two iphones, two shuffles at the moment.

But as someone else said I feel that 'our' apple has lost it's way big time


apple has already lost with the ipad.


The negative buzz can not be ignored and will hurt their bottom line just as easily as positive 'buzz' swells it by millions.


It has used the viral buzz created by people like us to sell it's products. Why, because WE genuinely believed in them as they were brilliant. No doubt.

I talked to non computer nerdy people about the ipad at work and no one wanted one. What's the point summed most peoples reactions up. So it's not just the tech literate forums who are slating this thing , it's everywhere.


Most telling was teh keynote which I watched.

The atmosphere was dead. It was portentous when Stev J was demoing 'the best browsing experience you'll ever have' and all over the web page were unloaded flash icons. Sorry apple but that is just sloppy not to double check what sites you plan to demo in front of millions.


But WE will be as equally vocal and passionate in our critisisim if we know the wool is being pulled in front of our eyes.

Live by the sword die by the sword.
 

colmaclean

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You need to have a Mac (or a Windows PC with iTunes) to be able to use it. So what´s the point then, when you can surf the web, do other tasks perfectly well and more... with your Mac. This will be a deal breaker even for lots of grandmas out there.

Apart from OS updates, grannies wouldn't have to sync at all after the initial setup. Who knows, maybe in the future OS updates will be able to be handled by the device internally, much like the PS3, PSP etc.

An enterprising third party could start an iPad initialisation service for grannies and other computer illiterates. Job done.
 

Lesser Evets

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If people truly believed this was an iFlop, they wouldn't even post.

They would ignore everything, knowing this is a waste of time and life.

So why are they posting negative emotions? Are they stupid? They just spent their time trying to convince people that they believe the device isn't worth their time... the time they spent writing about it, thinking about it, propagandizing about it, expressing themselves.

Hate is just passion misdirected. It flips over to desire in time. The iFloppies will have a hard drive for this device in 4 or 5 months.
 

ditzy

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The universal critisism is everywhere. Even Stephen Fry has said it may not be good now but wait for verison 2 or 3. That's appaling when he has to resort to reviewing products 2-3 years away.

It's the polar opposite of the excitement the iphone created.

I am as apple a fan boy as they come. I have two imacs, two iphones, two shuffles at the moment.

But as someone else said I feel that 'our' apple has lost it's way big time
Believe me.

apple has already lost with the ipad. It has used the viral buzz created by people like us to sell it's products. Why, because WE genuinely believed in them as they were brilliant. No doubt.


But WE will be as equally vocal and passionate in our critisisim if we know the wool is being pulled in front of our eyes.

Live by the sword die by the sword.

Read that article. He did not say that it wasn't good, he said this:

The moment you experience it in your hands you know this is class. This is a different order of experience. The speed, the responsiveness, the smooth glide of it, the richness and detail of the display, the heft in your hand, the rightness of the actions and gestures that you employ, untutored and instinctively, it’s not just a scaled up iPhone or a scaled-down multitouch enhanced laptop – it is a whole new kind of device. And it will change so much. Newspapers, magazines, literature, academic text books, brochures, fliers and pamphlets are going to be transformed (poor Kindle). Specific dedicated apps and enhancements will amaze us. You will see characters in movies use the iPad. Jack Bauer will want to return for another season of 24 just so he can download schematics and track vehicles on it. Bond will have one. Jason Bourne will have one. Some character, in a Tron like way, might even be trapped in one.

Yes he goes on to say that future versions would be better. I think that is rather obvious, I with little fear of being proven wrong, would say that the MBP will be more powerful this time next year than it is now.

http://www.stephenfry.com/2010/01/28/ipad-about/#more-1965
 

needthephone

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If people truly believed this was an iFlop, they wouldn't even post.

They would ignore everything, knowing this is a waste of time and life.

So why are they posting negative emotions? Are they stupid? They just spent their time trying to convince people that they believe the device isn't worth their time... the time they spent writing about it, thinking about it, propagandizing about it, expressing themselves.

Hate is just passion misdirected. It flips over to desire in time. The iFloppies will have a hard drive for this device in 4 or 5 months.


Not true . I love apple and I suppose true love is to tell a freind when you sincerely think they are doing something very very wrong.

Don't forget Stephen Fry was the guest of Steve Jobs and was even seen sharing a whiskey with him, Now what would you expect him to say? Based on this his veiled critisism is telling.
 

Lesser Evets

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Not true . I love apple and I suppose true love is to tell a freind when you sincerely think they are doing something very very wrong.

In this case, you are just that annoying, ignorant friend who blathers out negative opinions without experience of the device or knowledge of the market. One of THOSE.
 
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