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Other Why iphone this year not SOLDOUT Fast ????
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I’ve experienced the android ecosystem before. It’s a hot mess imo. No thanks.
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They should have made the XS line start at 128gb. Greedy bums
Yeah but do you even have animoji on that thing??? What will your friends think when they send you one and you can't send one back.
These things are a cycle.. Sales decline..raise price for revenue boosts.. sales decline further.. mass sell cheaper devices.
Prices will come back down as units stop moving and revenue takes a hit. It's simple economics.
That's not how economics works. If your sales decline, you lower prices to increase demand. Raising prices during a decline will further reduce demand. Apple has no incentive to drop prices on current/new model lines. They're measuring the unit economics of each portfolio product over the course of its lifecycle. Product lines that have already hit revenue goals (i.e. previous versions of iPhones) are sold at reduced cost as an additional but non-primary revenue stream. It's not simple and the math/forecasting that goes into pricing new products is incredibly difficult.
Xr products are the future after they don’t hit their targets this cycle on the Xs and Xs Max. While I think they will keep a high end product in the future, I think they will retool their efforts. They can’t afford to have folks still sitting on 6s for as long as they are. Is the math and forecasting easy, no... but the rest is fairly predictable.
I'm wondering why you believe that selling out during pre-order is an indication of success or failure. All three phones are variations of an existing product with primarily internal upgrades. The supply and assembly line(s) seem (from what I've read) much better structured this year to fulfill demand (with the exception of the LCDs for the XR). There's also no hard data yet regarding pre-sales and the XR still isn't available for pre-order. Apple charges what the market is willing to pay. iPhone X tested the market in 2017 at nearly $1000 and the market responded positively. The XR is a budget phone relative to the other products - I don't think anyone would say $750 is cheap.View attachment 781871 Why this year iphone sales slower than last year, remember last year preorder so crowd and sold out in a few minutes even after a day buyers are delayed 3-4 weeks comapring now still available pickup 9/21 and 1-2 weeks ship, is it reasonable price too high or no one like new look or no money something ???
Not from the perspective of the Pixel line. Android Oreo and Pie have been fantastic and smooth as could be. Actually the gestures in android pie work much smoother than the iPhone X.
Not discrediting the Apple IPhones because they are fantastic products, but the playing field is quite level. Not much of a hot mess anywhere that I can see.
Sure they can. They specifically optimized iOS12 to support older devices. You have to take into account hardware vs services. Apple has iCloud, Apple Music and the App Store as paid services that many (probably most) iPhone users pay for (App Store as subscription apps/services or paid apps and in-app purchases). This is annual recurring revenue for Apple, and services that keep folks in Apple's ecosystem. It's better to have an iPhone 6s user than a user who leaves Apple for Google/Android. By supporting older devices, Apple can extend the LTV of a user while increasing the likelihood that their next upgrade will be an iPhone and not and Android device.
I wouldn't say any of of this is predictable although you can forecast based on data from previous quarters and years while having a hypothesis as to what the market trends will be for the next 2, 5, 10 years, etc.
They're going to sell a ton of Xr's. That is the new mainstream iPhone and a really good value proposition for the average consumer. I'm willing to bet most iPhone customers don't know or care what an OLED screen is. The Xr is a large, full screen phone with a retina display, Face ID and a terrific camera and is several hundred dollars cheaper.
I think the Xr is going to be the best selling iPhone and by a wide margin. Assuming the phone is not saddled with hardware issues (as has been the case lately with new Apple products), they hit this one out of the park.
I personally went for the Max, because I wanted the largest screen possible, but if the choice for me were between the Xs and Xr, I would buy the r without hesitation.
Stating an obvious point here.
Considering that Apple is launching to a big wave of countries this week, and then another big wave of countries next week, I’d say Apple was under production for a month or more at multiple facilities and had a pretty damn good supply of phones for launch.
Considering that Apple is launching to a big wave of countries this week, and then another big wave of countries next week, I’d say Apple was under production for a month or more at multiple facilities and had a pretty damn good supply of phones for launch.
Agreed, those are strong revenue streams. However it’s a bigger risk for Apple than google. Google subscription revenue streams are available on iOS as well as on android. You could in theory have a 6s and decide to use google drive vs iCloud. Someone switches to android and apples losses are two fold on hardware and software.
Their largest revenue stream by far is hardware.
I’m an android customer right now. Sell me on Apple hardware, I switch over, download google photos, sync my calendar and contacts, install googles keyboard, install google maps... see what I mean? Apple absolutely needs to sell hardware...and maybe just maybe I switch over and see how much easily iCloud is due to integration.
Speak for yourself bro, I have know debt except for a house. Credit paid monthly, no car note. And yeah I bought a XS Max. Geeked.
Sales don't really pick up until a few months later. I remember I saw only 5 iPhone X owners including my Brother the first two months. After six months, I saw the X everywhere including celebrities using it on TV.
The early adopters are getting the worst batches for it anyway. Bugs and rushed models. The early bird doesn't always catch the worm but a lemon. Some people just wait for Black Friday or whatever Slickdeals they can find.
I agree with Matthew Moniz. It's pretty much that maybe people are getting tired of upgrading their phone and spending so much for it. The market is saturated as is. Will it even change your habits on how to use them? Not really.
Last year, more people waited for the eXpensive model for the new design. Now people are waiting for the cheaper model with a similar design. In some ways, all mobile brands became McDonald's.
The smartphone fad is dying. It's getting to a point that I know more people still using an iPhone 6 than owning a X.
The early adopters are getting the worst batches for it anyway. Bugs and rushed models. The early bird doesn't always catch the worm but a lemon. Some people just wait for Black Friday or whatever Slickdeals they can find.
I agree with Matthew Moniz. It's pretty much that maybe people are getting tired of upgrading their phone and spending so much for it. The market is saturated as is. Will it even change your habits on how to use them? Not really.
Last year, more people waited for the eXpensive model for the new design. Now people are waiting for the cheaper model with a similar design. In some ways, all mobile brands became McDonald's.
The smartphone fad is dying. It's getting to a point that I know more people still using an iPhone 6 than owning a X.
Agreed, those are strong revenue streams. However it’s a bigger risk for Apple than google. Google subscription revenue streams are available on iOS as well as on android. You could in theory have a 6s and decide to use google drive vs iCloud. Someone switches to android and apples losses are two fold on hardware and software.
Their largest revenue stream by far is hardware.
I’m an android customer right now. Sell me on Apple hardware, I switch over, download google photos, sync my calendar and contacts, install googles keyboard, install google maps... see what I mean? Apple absolutely needs to sell hardware...and maybe just maybe I switch over and see how much easily iCloud is due to integration.
Is that true though? Google's primary source of revenue is Google Ads. Apple's Services are seeing year over year increases of 40% or more in terms of revenue (I omitted Apple Pay in my original post).
Only one Android device (smartphone) is manufactured by Google - the Pixel. The rest of their smartphone revenue is coming from licensing Android and from Google Play Store.
I also use both Apple and Google services because I don't want to be so locked in to one or the other.
I don't believe Apple is taking a strong financial hit on those that don't upgrade for 4-5 years at the moment. This argument will fall apart though as the market become more saturated (75% saturation in US and about 45% worldwide) but that's still some time away (and as the population grows, the market grows).
Look like not many people care about new iphones anymore.
I think the longer folks take to upgrade the more they become immune to the smoke and mirrors Apple throws out every year to upsell devices. Folks will start looking at budget conscience devices like the XR or various android devices. If apple doesn’t push the Xr devices strong, they will lose all of those ecosystem revenue streams as folks switch to android.
The majority of Apples launch devices this year are overpriced and will cut off their nose to spite their face. No matter how beautiful and amazing your devices are, you can price yourself out of the market.
However, the Xs series of iPhone is launching “a few months”, or “several months” after the X did last year. This iteration of X is quite possibly what Apple would have preferred to launch last year but as in tech, had setbacks whereas they couldn’t.
Guess we’ll see in “a few months”.
There was severe supply issues with the X. It was big news for weeks. This year we heard nothing about that.
Do the math.
And BTW, what's this about in store pickup on the 21st yet ships in weeks? I'm getting a little pissed about this (knowing nothing of course
almost every year there were "supply problems" news, come on we know who released these news! This is all about marketing!
Then why don't they do this for this year? They know there isn't much demand anyway!
Apple’s stock price would counter that argument a bit. iPhones are the cornerstone of the company and they did just become a $1,000,000,000,000 company.
Well the iPhone X undersold market expectations very slightly, now they’re offering a virtually identical model for the same price, or a larger one for even more... really I think most people who were willing to pay that much for a phone either got the X or else wanted the plus model, with a good chunk also just upgrading via their carriers.
I’m interested to see if Max will at least match the 8 plus - it’s odd they compared it to the X not the 8 plus which is really the phone it is succeeding. I guess they wanted to say ‘lasts longer than’ not ‘lasts as long as’ (or even worse?)
Umm, just because the ugliest model with the weakest capacity didn’t sell out in Possum Pouch USA doesn’t mean the phone is a flop.
Well, now we all know they cannot sell well this year, let see what happens to the stock price soon.
Everything but display an image from edge to edge and about a dozen other things.
But point taken. Apple has been in incremental upgrade mode for a decade now.