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nickdalzell1

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Curious, what’s “unclean” or unnecessarily complex about the bottom picture?
Give him a few years. Once his retinas are all burned in from staring at a 2-D cartoon for a few years he'll feel as I did when iOS 7 and Yosemite released. It happened earlier for me as I remember the flat UI design of the 80s, and got the visual degradation that came with it as well.
 

fisherking

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Curious, what’s “unclean” or unnecessarily complex about the bottom picture?
i didn't say that, did i. i said i preferred the top picture, and explained why. just a subjective comparison, ie an opinion.

in a sense, tho... i win, since this is in fact how the current OS looks. 🏆
 
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Falhófnir

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40 pages in of arguing. I'm here to bring the unity:

We can all agree the move to square icons on mac is ugly, functionally regressive, and unnecessary, right? :p
Ugly? Not exactly, though I do agree the different shaped, irregular icons of Yosemite-Catalina look better somehow.

Functionally regressive? I see absolutely no difference. I clicked an icon to get into an app before, I do the same now.

Unnecessary? Yes, there was no pressing need to change them, though sometimes it is nice to have a bit of a freshen up.
 

Tozovac

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i didn't say that, did i. i said i preferred the top picture, and explained why. just a subjective comparison, ie an opinion.

in a sense, tho... i win, since this is in fact how the current OS looks. 🏆

I hope you took yourself out to dinner to celebrate your victory! Assuming restaurants are open in your location, I hope the floor, chairs, table, plates, walls, ceiling, pictures on the wall, menu, napkins were all a nice pleasing white. Hopefully the coke or pepsi was free of any caramel coloring, and hopefully if you ordered salmon it was free of the added pink coloring. Nobody should need colorized differentiation anymore for those products. Hopefully the steak, salad, and/or pasta was intentionally redesigned/bleached white to support the overall theme. It’s time steak & pasta stopped looking that way, it’s time for some new thinking, and it sure would make for great/interesting marketing material for the restaurant! Hopefully they also simplified the table presentation so as to not unnecessarily distract the diners, and provided only a spork. Out with the old, even if it worked rather well, because it’s old. :) Simply providing the same old fresh food that worked/tasted super well is not enough. Shake ‘er all up!
 

fisherking

macrumors G4
Jul 16, 2010
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I hope you took yourself out to dinner to celebrate your victory! Assuming restaurants are open in your location, I hope the floor, chairs, table, plates, walls, ceiling, pictures on the wall, menu, napkins were all a nice pleasing white. Hopefully the coke or pepsi was free of any caramel coloring, and hopefully if you ordered salmon it was free of the added pink coloring. Nobody should need colorized differentiation anymore for those products. Hopefully the steak, salad, and/or pasta was intentionally redesigned/bleached white to support the overall theme. It’s time steak & pasta stopped looking that way, it’s time for some new thinking, and it sure would make for great/interesting marketing material for the restaurant! Hopefully they also simplified the table presentation so as to not unnecessarily distract the diners, and provided only a spork. Out with the old, even if it worked rather well, because it’s old. :) Simply providing the same old fresh food that worked/tasted super well is not enough. Shake ‘er all up!
wait, this is a mac forum. did you mean to post on a restaurant forum? 🤔 anyway, not sure i see how this relates to a GUI, but either way... progress should not be feared...
 
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Bruninho

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I have only one issue with Big Sur... only one...

FOLDER PERMISSIONS!!! FOLDER PERMISSIONS!! F...!! I had a carefully curated collection of colored folders, then all of sudden they change the folder icon design and the way they do the default folder icons (Documents, Downloads, Sites...) and for one f... reason I can't change the icon for the Documents folder. I've tried every possible thing for an entire night, almost damaging the entire system in the process... spent half a day fixing it up.

The other half of the day? I had also lost my certificates, so I had to reinstall my certificate to sign my work receipts, and the brilliant Xcode certificates... no way in hell I could simply put back these certs for Xcode until I tried something simple af: pretend to compile some project and let it automatically sort out the signing details. Gotcha, it downloaded everything I needed to install my pre-compiled IPA packages. Here's my middle finger to the devs responsible for the Xcode huge mess and another for the Big Sur terrible folder icons and permissions.

My folder icon collection? Went through the bin... I won't even try again to make new ones... I'll be better off collecting macOS 9 icons for the OS 9 VM and get some inspiration for the next UI/UX projects at work. The 80's 90's MacOS era always had very good, simple and effective icons.

Ah, Big Sur... I have zero headache when I'm playing with the macOS 9.
 

Tozovac

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I have only one issue with Big Sur... only one...

FOLDER PERMISSIONS!!! FOLDER PERMISSIONS!! F...!! I had a carefully curated collection of colored folders, then all of sudden they change the folder icon design and the way they do the default folder icons (Documents, Downloads, Sites...) and for one f... reason I can't change the icon for the Documents folder. I've tried every possible thing for an entire night, almost damaging the entire system in the process... spent half a day fixing it up.

The other half of the day? I had also lost my certificates, so I had to reinstall my certificate to sign my work receipts, and the brilliant Xcode certificates... no way in hell I could simply put back these certs for Xcode until I tried something simple af: pretend to compile some project and let it automatically sort out the signing details. Gotcha, it downloaded everything I needed to install my pre-compiled IPA packages. Here's my middle finger to the devs responsible for the Xcode huge mess and another for the Big Sur terrible folder icons and permissions.

My folder icon collection? Went through the bin... I won't even try again to make new ones... I'll be better off collecting macOS 9 icons for the OS 9 VM and get some inspiration for the next UI/UX projects at work. The 80's 90's MacOS era always had very good, simple and effective icons.

Ah, Big Sur... I have zero headache when I'm playing with the macOS 9.
But. Didn’t all the fresh, new appearance items make it worth the sacrifice and change?
 

zakarhino

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Ugly? Not exactly, though I do agree the different shaped, irregular icons of Yosemite-Catalina look better somehow.

Functionally regressive? I see absolutely no difference. I clicked an icon to get into an app before, I do the same now.

Unnecessary? Yes, there was no pressing need to change them, though sometimes it is nice to have a bit of a freshen up.

By "functionally regressive" I'm referring to how it's a bit more difficult for me to visually differentiate between different apps in my dock vs. the free form icons of previous releases.
 

Falhófnir

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By "functionally regressive" I'm referring to how it's a bit more difficult for me to visually differentiate between different apps in my dock vs. the free form icons of previous releases.
Really? I can't say I notice the slightest difference. The icons largely carry over their iconography and are in the same places as before. Mojave -> Catalina was a bigger 'thing' in this regard with iTunes being dismembered.

I think it looked more appealing somehow with the irregular icons, though I can't say why that was, but differentiating the icons is no more difficult for me than it was before.
 
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CasualFanboy

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Jun 26, 2020
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@Bruninho you might want to restore that folder icon collection if IconChamp is coming soon as this site says:
IconChamp landing page on macenhance website
and this:
macenhance store
Looks promising. I wonder to what extent these themes can change the graphical appearance in areas other than icons. The icons in Big Sur are pretty bad, but so are the radio buttons, check boxes, nav arrows, headers, title bars, and general colors.

As a side note though, this reminds me of what has become one of the most annoying phrases in existence: "In-App Purchases." Does Mac require all developers to charge arbitrary prices and spam people with ads? Or is it just something that all app developers just so happen to enjoy doing to people?
 
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CasualFanboy

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This is a valiant effort, but it still just fundamentally looks like Big Sur to me. I just really hate the nonexistent title bar, the over-rounding, thick padding, and paper-white coloring.

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allan.nyholm

macrumors 68020
Nov 22, 2007
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Aalborg, Denmark
Looks promising. I wonder to what extent these themes can change the graphical appearance in areas other than icons. The icons in Big Sur are pretty bad, but so are the radio buttons, check boxes, nav arrows, headers, title bars, and general colors.

As a side note though, this reminds me of what has become one of the most annoying phrases in existence: "In-App Purchases." Does Mac require all developers to charge arbitrary prices and spam people with ads? Or is it just something that all app developers just so happen to enjoy doing to people?
The IAP - comment on IconChamp's landing page I hope is nothing more than a way to say that it's probably a trial version that allows 7 days access. Similar to cDock for instance.
That's the notion I got from the macenhance Discord server anyway.

I don't know for sure what else IconChamp is other than just system folder and app icon changing.

I believe there's more manual labor involved in making a Big Sur theme for the masses that can shift the white-balance a little bit.
On the topic on the actual theme of Big Sur, theres lot to be done. For instance, PaintCan, a MacForge plugin, allows for "hot-swapping" system theme .car files. If you use the ThemeEngine version released by Jeremy Legendre on GitHub, then you can then make use of my Xcode projects to make yourself the MICA files needed for greying up the light theme in Big Sur.

With a little luck I can provide some Aqua traffic lights tomorrow too.

PaintCan on GitHub or download within the MacForge application

ThemeEngine from Jeremy Legendre forked from Alex Zielenski who is the original author.


Download my Xcode projects here and see if you can make those MICA files for Big Sur
(the above is a link to my own dA account that requires login to download. That is something Deviantart set up and not me. You can use that link if you want to or I have attached the rather small archive here. You can still read the text on the above link)

I did actually have a theme ready to go for Big Sur that I of course have deleted because I got so tired of all the hoops of theming Big Sur - the whole world was against me at one point. The links in the following thread does not work and you'll notice that me writing a comment to an old friend explaining. This particular theme was frustrating, not to make, but to have the gradient not mess with certain aspects of Big Sur. The Calendar app for one, Notes and Messages too.
I will see what can be done to that mess later on tomorrow. My eye surgery should clear up in the next 14 days and I ought to proceed full tilt theming
 

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allan.nyholm

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This is a valiant effort, but it still just fundamentally looks like Big Sur to me. I just really hate the nonexistent title bar, the over-rounding, thick padding, and paper-white coloring.

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The icons looks stunning. And the Dock too. Very well done. Are these folder icons in 1024px by any chance?
I'll probably make someone like this too. I'm not done yet :D
 
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nickdalzell1

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Does anyone know where I can even buy the *.ISO of Mountain Lion? Apple doesn't have it, and I'd like to at least try Parallels and see the difference again. It's been awhile.
 

allan.nyholm

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Nov 22, 2007
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Does anyone know where I can even buy the *.ISO of Mountain Lion? Apple doesn't have it, and I'd like to at least try Parallels and see the difference again. It's been awhile.
You can only buy Mountain Lion
Buy Mountain Lion as a redemption code via Apple

I can see the problem if Snow Leopard or Lion is required. When those are not readily available.
Although there is a way it seems.

perhaps macintoshgarden has a clean .iso or perhaps archive.org has one.
I believe I only have Mountain Lion available to me in the Mac App Store when upgrading
(I'm not sure how that's helping you personally, so I apologize for going off on a tangent)
 
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nickdalzell1

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I'm just trying to find a legal way.

I don't think a redemption code will work in a VM. I found a *.DMG file but does that work in Parallels? I cannot find the ISO only version. Everything available is in DMG format.
 
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