Agree with this. Honestly, how many of us use MMS 24/7. All we do 24/7 (some of us) is text.
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Why no MMS on 1st GEN IPHONE????
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Agree with this. Honestly, how many of us use MMS 24/7. All we do 24/7 (some of us) is text.
I *might* buy this arguement if the iPhone 3G and 3Gs were blocked from sending MMS mesages while on EDGE, but they can be sent over EDGE just fine.
Also, don't you think a call coming in would be more important than an MMS? If so, don't you think Apple has set it up so that a call will still be able to come in and simply pause the MMS until the call is finished?
Someone should test this theory in real life. Start sending an MMS and try to call your iPhone while it's sending. Just to see what happens. Send a large file though... like a video or something. That way you can't just say the call came in after the MMS was finished.
If that is your counter then why have internet access at all on the G1 iPhone. You can not surf and recieve a call at the same time.... Oh wait you can. It is a network side issue. If a call is coming the tower sends a signal to the phone about the call and flips the data services over to to it. Phone does the same.....
Sorry that just does not work there. The only reason no MMS on the G1 phone is pure greed. Apple does not give a damn about its old products and forces upgrades down on us.
Best part of this is apple release all this info how its products are "green" then it forces users to throw its stuff away and buy more. Kind of defeats the purpose.
That wasn't a counter. I was agreeing with you. I'm sure that if the original iPhone HAD MMS, then calls would still come in fine. That's what I was saying. If someone is using EDGE on an iPhone 3G while sending an MMS, they too can still receive calls, so what makes the original iPhone different?
You don't say. Hey... look on Apple's website, what's that text down there next to the asterisk?
http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3gs/messages.html
Can you say you're entirely positive the phone doesn't simply cache the MMS message until 3G is available? As a text messaging attachment, I think that would explain the copy. Also, I can imagine a scenario where there might be a more specialized mechanism going on to handle 3G phones that are *sometimes* using an EDGE connection.
Ultimately, I think the intimate details lie in Apple policy of having one phone across the entire world, with only software to bridge the gap in the various capabilities and versions. With enough work software can overcome A LOT of hardware incompatibility. The question always is... is it worthwhile? Sony has been chopping out backwards compatibility in the PS3 for a while, replacing it with software, and then just ripping it out entirely. Classic crutch-strategy.
~ CB
What makes it differnt is Apple can get away with it because the ogrinal iphone is at least 2 years old so Apple was able to report all profit for the phone.
Apple is just being greedy. It is the exact same reason why 3G can not do voice comand. Apple can get away with it so they will.
I can't believe this thread is five pages long. The answer is simply that Apple doesn't have to support hardware that is at it's end of life. Regardless if people still have it, it is still at end of life. Apple is all about user experience, and the MMS experience wouldn't be the quality that Apple wants on the 2G since it doesn't have 3G. Yes, the 2G is capable of running MMS just like all of the 2G phones before it that had MMS, but I don't know if any of you remember missing calls because you were sending a picture or because you were on the internet, but that is what Apple wants to prevent.
Apple has the full right to control the user experience on their products, and that is how Apple works. Those of us that have had Apple products for years know this, but I guess it's just a whole new demographic learning this with the iPhone.
Apple has the full right to control the user experience on their products, and that is how Apple works. Those of us that have had Apple products for years know this, but I guess it's just a whole new demographic learning this with the iPhone.
1. you are quoting Apple, the very company that is being accused of lying.
2. Since we are citing sources:
a. Infineon, the people that manufactured the radio chipset in the 1st iPhone, have clearly stated that there is nothing in the radio chipset that would in any way inhibit MMS messaging.
b. Hackers have had MMS working on the iPhone since 2007.
c. Many phones with much lower radio capabilities were sending and receiving MMS messages years before the iPhone existed.
On a seperate note, it doesn't take a software engineer to figure out that if the file can be sent through the phones radio in any capacity then it can be sent via MMS.
hate to break it to you but umm you do not miss a call for surfing the internet. The phone flips into phone mode when a call is incoming.
It does not effect experince. It is about apple not giving a damn any more about older users. I honestly hope this type of behavior screws the iPhone over in life and watch phones like Andriod just kill them. RIM is safe from both the iPhone and Andriod because it is in a different market. iPhone is going head to head with the Andriod phones.
"Accused", sure. You can "accuse" someone of being a potato. Meaningless. Moreover, "lying" sounds over-the-top. Allow me to quote myself:
And actually, I'm pointing to a public disclaimer that says that the MMS service may not be available in some areas. I also asked a simple question to address the one statement that hits the crux of the matter. Let me sharpen the point. CAN CURRENT iPHONE 3G USERS SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE AN MMS TRANSACTION OVER AN EDGE-ONLY CELL TOWER USING APPLE'S MMS IMPLEMENTATION? Once the question is answered, and not merely implied to have been tested, we're probably done.
Here's how you do it. Drive around until your phone only says "E" and not 3G. While you could simply disable "WiFi" and "3G" (producing an artificial "E"), that's not the test. We're trying to see if there is a technical issue that requires a 3G radio, and jibes with the disclaimer regarding service. Send a photo via MMS to another iPhone user who is also in an area where they only have EDGE service (drive around together if need be). If it works perfectly fine over an EDGE-only tower (that hasn't been upgraded to 3G), then HUZZAH! Also, double-check the tower's status by rebooting your phone before assuming its EDGE-only.
Otherwise... meh, still haven't proven your conspiracy theory.
~ CB
Even better, go into an area without even Edge. If my MMS had worked last week, I would have tried sending/receiving a MMS in a GPRS area. I was in many areas last week where i was lucky to have a voice signal.
BINGO!!!
As much as we all love Apple they dont have to do anything simply because we want them to. The only people they answer to our shareholders!
Shareholders dont make money by giving away products or services.
If MMS is so important to you, by the new phone or Shut the #@$# up.
EDGE is perfectly capable of handling MMS traffic, but that is not the issue.
The issue is the 1st gen iPhone does not allow simultaneous voice and data sessions over EDGE. At least on AT&T anyway. Don't know how other carriers support voice/data sessions over EDGE.
You get an either/or situation.
This means that if your have an active data session, you will miss any incoming calls. Like wise if you have an active call going, you will not receive any incoming data.
The issue is the 1st gen iPhone does not allow simultaneous voice and data sessions over EDGE. At least on AT&T anyway. Don't know how other carriers support voice/data sessions over EDGE.
You get an either/or situation.
This means that if your have an active data session, you will miss any incoming calls. Like wise if you have an active call going, you will not receive any incoming data.
Well if that is the case the it is pretty clear apple sucks at doing very basic stuff when it comes to programing the phones because I have had multiple edge only phone receive phone calls while I was streaming data to it.
But that also counters you entire agument that apple does not want to make people miss calls sending mms. If that iwas the case they might as well block all data on the IPhone G1
I am accusing Apple of lying. In my opinion, Apple lied when they said the radio in the iphone is incapable of sending and receiving MMS messages. I have presented you with considerable evidence to support my case. If I paraphrase your strongest arguement so far I get "Apple said it's not practical, and I believe them."
Apple never said that the 3G could only MMS through certain towers, so your tower arguement is crap.
Apple never said that the 3G could not MMS over EDGE, so that arguement is crap as well.
Nobody is expecting to send MMS messages from the north pole. Personally, I would like to at least be able to receive them in Los Angeles.
End of life? Well that sounds great considering there are hundreds of thousands of 1st gen iPhone owners that are still under contract. Also, the 3G can send MMS messages in an EDGE only area.
I started my experience with Apple back in the late 80's on a Mac II. I remember things like the Mac plus, which was supported by OS upgrades for ten years. Let's not forget the bondi blue iMac, which was supported by OS upgrades for seven years! I guess I must be forgetting this whole new demographic of Mac owners that are used to Apple biting the hand that feeds them.
So... everyone else's opinion is crap, I guess. But yours... magnifique! Personally, I don't consider someone "lying" unless they actually say something that they KNOW is categorically untrue. I'm picky I 'spose.
I get it though. For some reason you see an injustice or maybe you take it personally when corporations can't be candid with you about business decisions. Personally, I think this is a ridiculous topic in ALL cases, unless, like me, you're simply trying to find out what Apple was referencing when they cited "hardware" as the reason for their decision.
We both agree they COULD have supported it, and CHOSE not too. I think it borders on the hysterical that anyone would take the time to find out if MMS could be done over EDGE, when it seemed plainly obvious that Apple never said "MMS can't be accomplished over EDGE". My only major disagreement with tin-foil hats is with the assertion that Apple has chosen to "lie" about anything.
I think that's stupid. They have ZERO reason to lie about it, but they have every reason to make the TRUE reason sound like a much more simpler and reasonable business decision in presenting said reason for public consumption.
But, by all means... carry on.
~ CB
Its not a hardware issue, you can jail break the phone and use it on other carriers like t-mobile and send and receive MMS just fine, the software is out there and the Edge network is fully capable of sending mms,(i have a friend that has this) if its a bandwidth issue then all they have to do is limit the size of the MMS. Its Clearly that Apple does not care to allow it, for what ever reason, and the only one that makes any possible since is they want to make more money by making people upgrade their first gen phones.
Apple, unlike a lot of phone vendors, has had a policy. At least so far. Of providing improvements to their older phones as time passes. But, for whatever reason, they don't provide all the new capability to their older phones that the phones should be capable of.
An additional example is the battery percentage indicator. Shouldn't at least a rough number be available for display on the 3G? It has to be known internally to display the bar.
It wouldn't surprise me if a future iPhone, probably with additional RAM, supports multitasking. That too probably won't work on the existing phones, even if it should be possible with select (low memory usage) apps.
An additional example is the battery percentage indicator. Shouldn't at least a rough number be available for display on the 3G? It has to be known internally to display the bar.
It wouldn't surprise me if a future iPhone, probably with additional RAM, supports multitasking. That too probably won't work on the existing phones, even if it should be possible with select (low memory usage) apps.
Nobody, including Apple, said it couldn't be done over EDGE.
What Apple said is (paraphrased, I'm having a hard time finding the orignal quote): "MMS is not possible on the original iPhone due to a limitation in the radio chipset."
Infenion, who made the radio chipset for the original iPhone, have stated that the chipset is entirely capable of MMS. They added that it is purely a software issue.
Jailbreakers have had MMS on the iPhone since 2007.
I really don't see how it could be in any way unclear that Apple lied.
If Apple had been honest and said "sorry guys, but AT&T said no" then that would be a different story. Instead they decided to give us a line of what is obviously B.S., which is where I take issue. I call what Apple said a lie. You can call it whatever you want. If you want to sit in denial and swear up and down that Apple didn't lie that's fine. You are more than welcome to your opinion. I think, however, that perhaps you should check your own head for a tin foil hat.