Is it though? I understand the interview Apple gave they also combine the data from the different sensors. Which means blowing up only happens on the outside of the picture.
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iPhone 15 Pro Max Why so many media spread false information about the iPhone cameras?
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Misleading or misinformation can happen anytime on any medias. Hence, verification and research are needed to ensure we make right judgments or decisions.
All of the reviews and videos are citing and doubling down on saying larger main sensor. I wish there was more clarity on this.
Even so, we have someone earlier in this thread that HAS been pinching/scrolling zoom and getting results they’re happy with… right along with people I know personally and likely millions of others.
I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the folks you talked to pinched or scrolled once accidentally, saw that they liked the results and just never told you they’re still doing it
Like I said:
Unlikely, but we will see. My evaluation will be rational and thought out after meaningful usage, not some nonsense fabricated out of thin air before 15s are even on the street.
You suggest "that people want to deny facts…." because you seem to think that a limited number of pre-release specs (your facts) somehow prove that resultant captures will be better or worse. Things are not that simple in photography (let alone in the computational photography of smartphones).
You ignore many critical parameters that can not be ignored. One such obviously absolutely critical parameter that you ignore is optics. The tiny smartphone lens systems are by definition optically compromised, so any improvements/degradation can be a very big deal: far more important than what precise focal lengths are being used. We will not know how iPhone optics perform until after real-world testing.
Another obviously critical parameter that you ignore is computation. Changes in computational capabilities have huge impact on resultant image capture, and the new chip suggests that far more computational capability will be available to the camera system. Again, we will not know how the new iPhone captures present until after real-world testing.
There are additional significant parameters that you ignore as you pull conclusions out of thin air, but those two biggies should be obvious enough to prove the point.
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Im actually so surprised that the 1x, 1.2x and 1.5x actually have that natural focal length compression. Its not a digital crop like some youtubers have been saying
It is still a digital crop. But the full 48MP are never used. So if you “zoom” from 24mm to 28mm you still have 24MP of the sensor. On 24mm through pixel-binning you get a 24MP res image out of the 48MP sensor.
So in a specific digital zoom range you will get full res 24MP out of the sensor but with slightly less light (low light performance).
There is just one optical focal length and its 24mm but the difference in these “zoom” ranges are not that crucial (no upscaling). The quality will drop just off quickly between 48mm and 120mm (77mm for Pro).
Between 1x and 1.5x i wouldn’t see a quality drop which is a problem for most of the users.
Combining the data would result in a larger image, not a smaller one. Which is what happens with the optical zoom. It's a digital cropping of a larger image that is then re-interpolated into a larger size, otherwise people would go hey that looks like crap. Basically, in a nutshell, they're pixel doubling when they enlarge the cropped zoom.
It's still a lesser image, whether they initially see it or not. Because they will see if they go to print it or post the image somewhere.Even so, we have someone earlier in this thread that HAS been pinching/scrolling zoom and getting results they’re happy with… right along with people I know personally and likely millions of others.
I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the folks you talked to pinched or scrolled once accidentally, saw that they liked the results and just never told you they’re still doing it
It’s a lesser image, but not to the point where them or any of their followers care. And, I suppose if they decide to pretend they’re living in the 80’s they may print it. IF they own a printer?
Smartphone User: Did you see the Captain Marvel movie? What was your favorite part?
Photography Purist: Which Captain Marvel are you talking about? The first Captain Marvel was an alien named Captain Mar-Vell in 1967 that never saw the silver screen. Or perhaps you mean Carol Danvers who, as a character, was introduced a year later but didn’t become Captain Marvel until 2012? Or, are you possibly referring to the original name of the main character in the Shazam movies that, until a legal battle years ago, was referred to as “Captain Marvel”?
Smartphone User: Nevermind.
Photography Purist: Which Captain Marvel are you talking about? The first Captain Marvel was an alien named Captain Mar-Vell in 1967 that never saw the silver screen. Or perhaps you mean Carol Danvers who, as a character, was introduced a year later but didn’t become Captain Marvel until 2012? Or, are you possibly referring to the original name of the main character in the Shazam movies that, until a legal battle years ago, was referred to as “Captain Marvel”?
Smartphone User: Nevermind.
Correct but as I first realized shooting commercially with a Nikon D2x 20 years ago, how the pic is used helps determine how to make the capture. For SallySue posting to Facebook in almost real time, the ease-of-use of pinch-to-zoom may in fact improve the as-used image capture even though it is factually lower rez than it could have been. SallySue's FB page is unlikely to be printed 13x19 or critically viewed on large color-corrected displays.
I mention the old D2x because it was early digital tech, one of the first cameras that IMO brought digital capture to fair equivalence with 35mm film scans (even 20 years ago almost all film for commercial work was digitized before being used). The digital capture tech however was right on the edge; mis-shoot something a bit and the resulting capture would suck. And NEF (Nikon's RAW), would take so long that it seriously impacted workflow, so despite the image compression data loss JPEG Fine sometimes was preferable.
All that said I always always recommend capturing the most image data possible unless seeking more data impedes capture. Ideally in this case that means learning to choose the fixed focal lengths, but if what they are doing works users often choose not to bother learning.
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The first youtuber i found who really tested exactly this problem (unfortunately in german):
And now the real word example for the IPhone15Pro Max vs Iphone 15 Pro with 77mm which unfortunately does not have some magic.
Iphone 15 Pro with 77mm (3x)
IPhone 15 Pro Max with 77mm
I think you have to be blind not to see these differences.
And now the real word example for the IPhone15Pro Max vs Iphone 15 Pro with 77mm which unfortunately does not have some magic.
Iphone 15 Pro with 77mm (3x)
IPhone 15 Pro Max with 77mm
I think you have to be blind not to see these differences.
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Yes the second image is more blurred. But sorry, I will wait for my own evaluation and evaluations from pros that I trust. Note that even if true at 77mm, what will matter is overall performance. Plus I suggest comparisons of different usages, such as portraits at varying focal lengths in addition to distant buildings.
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So he is not a pro? because he is german? He is one of the official iPhone tester. I don’t get it really. I think you would even deny it if you see it with your own eyes ;-)
I mean even i get my 2 IP15 Pro and Pro Max and post here some examples im not pro enough that you can trust me isn’t it?
In understand if ppl denying physical facts because they don’t understand them but i really can’t understand ppl who denying proves because they don’t fit in their picture.
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Why?
It's literally physics.
I really don't understand why our entire education system is irrelevant but we had to wait for a youtuber to see that if the gravity bring you down you can't jump of a building and go up.
Both me and davexx tried to explain it. There is too much gap between 24 and 120mm, you can't have the same quality with a digital zoom of course so it's literally LOGIC that the pro max will have worse performance at 3x.
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So my apprehensions were correct. Apple has just changed the name/number of iPhone Pro Max to 15 from 14. That's the most significant enhancement. Cancelling my pre-order.Apple uses Sony camera sensors.
1'" Sony IMX 989 sensor or its customized version for Apple is what they could have used for iPhone 15 Pro/Max. Its already being used in Vivo X90 Pro+, Xiaomi 13 Pro, OPPO Find X6 Pro, Sony Xperia Pro-I and Sharp Aquos R7 since March'23.
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They just withheld, for next iteration. I bet Apple will bring this in iPhone 16 series.
That's good. Someone will probably have their delayed order moved to launch day thanks to you. 🙏
I have photos printed all the time. My mother who has date stamps on all her photos prints photos all the time. I went through this with her on her point and shoot and will have to again, likely, since she's finally gotten a smart phone with a decent camera. People print photos all the time. It's nice to have them hanging on your wall or displayed on your desk at work without having them be digitally illuminated.
Sure but if they don't know they're creating a poor image and go to print it later, then they've lost that possibility because they shot a poor image.
And capturing in JPEG vs RAW isn't the same as focal lengths vs crop zoom. By a long shot. The JPEG will still have the full image at the full resolution. It'll just be a bit compressed and won't be as editable in post as RAW. The crop zoom will always be a smaller and poorer shot than what you see on your phone or fb. Because both of those systems fill the screen with the image, regardless of the image's size.
And he illustrates another weird behaviour (for the non-German folks around here):
For the Pro Max, if you manually select 5x (where you’d expect the 120mm lens being used) but are too close to the object, instead of a warning/notification, it simply captures a 12MP crop of the main 24mm lens.
It must confuse at least some users why the image quality varies between different 5x shots (or why the focal length does not match the lens).
Edit: Don't get me wrong, it is impressive how Apple implemented this functionality to ensure capturing a sharp image. But it feels like you need a user/technical guide to actually make the most of the stock camera app.
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