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Great points. My wife is also upgrading this year and really prefers the Plus size. I was looking at (and showing her) the XR and XS Max. Regardless of model I'd go to the next storage option from 64GB (128GB on the XR and 256GB on the XS Max). Kind of surprised that they actually put that reasonable 128GB storage option on the XR for $50 USD.

Including sales tax in Canada these are the two options:

$1242 iPhone XR 128GB
$1954 iPhone XS Max 256GB

That's a $712 difference. I can absolutely appreciate what both phones offer, but at that price difference I would have a hard time justifying the XS Max over the XR.

In the U.K. the XS Max 256 is £1249 and the 128GB XR is £800, so not the massive difference as Canada but that’s still £450 Sterling, that’s a significant difference.
 
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Initial impression of iOS 12 on my 3 GB iPhone 7 Plus is that it runs VERY well. I am extremely pleased with the performance. It feels as fast as any brand new iPhone in terms of the iOS interface.

This is a very good sign for the iPhone XR, as it is rumoured to also have 3 GB. No idea how it will be on iOS 13 and beyond, but it should still be decent, esp. considering how much slower my A10 Fusion is than A12 Bionic.

This also solidifies my decision not to upgrade my iPhone 7 Plus this year. I am still getting the XR, but it's for the wife, to replace her 6s.
 
For text quality at about ~12” distance, if I just used the 7 alone, it seemed fine with both Standard and Zoomed Display modes. However, when I placed the 7 next to the 7 Plus and X and looked for it I could see a mild softening of edges of some small text on the 7.I’m pretty sure the XR will look like the 7 in this regard.

Then my attention turned to the X vs 7 Plus. For text clarity they were the same, but there was no proper Zoomed Display mode on the X which may make it a non-starter for some with presbyopia. (Everyone, if you don't have it now, there is a good chance you might get a bit of it by age 45 or so. It's just a normal change as your eyes age.)

2) If you're coming from a 6 Plus, 7 Plus, 8 Plus, or X, you might be fine with the XR too but if you're a stickler for perfection in text display and have very good eyesight, or if you like to look at your phone up close, you may want to go with a Plus, XS, or XS Max.

Thank you for this review. You've probably answered a question I was about to post. Will the XR have the text clarity of my current 7+? I had wondered due to the drop in PPI. Your observations seem to suggest it wouldn't. That's a shame, as everything else about the XR makes me want to get one.

But I suffer from presbyopia and a side effect of eye surgery that makes all sharp edges slightly wavy or pixelated. While I don't normally notice it, small text on a small screen makes my eyes tire more quickly, as text is all edges.

Thanks for the mention of zoom. Can't believe I've had this phone for 2 years and didn't realize it was there. It really helps.

So, that leaves the XS or XS Max. Because of the above eye problem, I think I'd have to go to the XS Max for a larger screen area. But do I want to pay more for it than I just did for a 4K touchscreen computer?

I just installed IOS 12 on my 7+ and it's acting like a young phone again. Maybe I'll just keep it for another year.
 
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Thank you for this review. You've probably answered a question I was about to post. Will the XR have the text clarity of my current 7+? I had wondered due to the drop in PPI. Your observations seem to suggest it wouldn't. That's a shame, as everything else about the XR makes me want to get one.
I'm pretty sure that the XR will NOT have the text clarity of your 7 Plus. For someone like my wife, she doesn't notice the difference, but someone like you might.

The XR will be very good, but the 7 Plus will still be better, for the very discerning eye, esp. if you favour shorter viewing distances. We shall see though in one month.

But I suffer from presbyopia and a side effect of eye surgery that makes all sharp edges slightly wavy or pixelated. While I don't normally notice it, small text on a small screen makes my eyes tire more quickly, as text is all edges.
Do soft edges on small text make it worse, or small text with sharp edges still cause you problems? Because I'm not sure how that affects the decision in this context. Either way, I'm sorry to hear you have this.

Thanks for the mention of zoom. Can't believe I've had this phone for 2 years and didn't realize it was there. It really helps.
Haha. :D I think I showed this feature to my wife 3 years ago, but at that time she preferred the smaller fonts. But then she totally forgot about it. Recently she decided she wanted something bigger, with bigger fonts. I showed her Zoomed Display mode now that's all she uses. I suspect if she had remembered this feature existed, she would have turned it on last year.

In any case, I'm still getting her a larger iPhone, in the form of an XR (which will also have Zoomed Display mode).

So, that leaves the XS or XS Max. Because of the above eye problem, I think I'd have to go to the XS Max for a larger screen area. But do I want to pay more for it than I just did for a 4K touchscreen computer?
You need to go to the XS Max not only because of the larger screen area, but also because the XS does not support Zoomed Display at all AFAIK. (It's not on the X in either iOS 11 or iOS 12, and there are no references to it for the XS in iOS 12 that people could find, so I assume the XS doesn't get it either.) AFAIK, for the 2018 models, only the XS Max and XR support this.

I hear ya on the cost. In Canada, the XS Max 256 GB costs exactly the same as my 12" MacBook Core m3 256 GB.

I just installed IOS 12 on my 7+ and it's acting like a young phone again. Maybe I'll just keep it for another year.
That's what I'm doing. It was a combination of the crazy high price of the XS Max (which is 57% more than the XR in the storage size I want), and the 7 Plus's top-of-the-line pixel density, along with the fact this 7 Plus flies with iOS 12.

Plus the XS/XS Max does NOT fix the camera problem I've been complaining about for 2 years now. In portrait mode (which was introduced with the 7 Plus), often the camera software has problems identifying where the edge of the subject is, vs. the background. So the camera software will blur out the background, but incorrectly, so the edge of the subject gets fuzzy, etc. In The Verge's review, he shows how the XS actually erased part his subject's glasses in portrait mode, which is the exact same behaviour as our 7 Plusses.

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I'm pretty sure that the XR will NOT have the text clarity of your 7 Plus.

Do soft edges on small text make it worse, or small text with sharp edges still cause you problems? Because I'm not sure how that affects the decision in this context. Either way, I'm sorry to hear you have this.


You need to go to the XS Max not only because of the larger screen area, but also because the XS does not support Zoomed Display at all AFAIK. (It's not on the X in either iOS 11 or iOS 12, and there are no references to it for the XS in iOS 12 that people could find, so I assume the XS doesn't get it either.) AFAIK, for the 2018 models, only the XS Max and XR support this.



Plus the XS/XS Max does NOT fix the camera problem I've been complaining about for 2 years now. In portrait mode (which was introduced with the 7 Plus),
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To compound the bad eye problem (thanks for your concern!), I'm also an advanced amateur photographer, so I notice stuff like text clarity. Things look fine on the 7+, but anything with less clarity would be questionable. I'm afraid that

I never used the bokeh on my 7+. It looked way too artificial. If I want bokeh, I use my Nikon DSLR. :) The photo you sent shows exactly why. The glasses aren't the only problem. But the cameras on the 7+ do a very decent job otherwise for snapshots, copying paperwork and the like.
 
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In the U.K. the XS Max 256 is £1249 and the 128GB XR is £800, so not the massive difference as Canada but that’s still £450 Sterling, that’s a significant difference.

actually its a larger difference in the UK than Canada lol (when you take exchange rate into account!)
 
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To compound the bad eye problem (thanks for your concern!), I'm also an advanced amateur photographer, so I notice stuff like text clarity. Things look fine on the 7+, but anything with less clarity would be questionable. I'm afraid that

I never used the bokeh on my 7+. It looked way too artificial. If I want bokeh, I use my Nikon DSLR. :) The photo you sent shows exactly why. The glasses aren't the only problem. But the cameras on the 7+ do a very decent job otherwise for snapshots, copying paperwork and the like.
I have a Canon 7D and a whole bunch of lenses. I use a 60 mm EF-S macro for 100 mm equivalent portrait shots...

...once in a blue moon.

The thing is, I carry my iPhone 7 Plus everywhere with me, and Apple's Portrait Mode shots are non-destructive, so even if you don't like the effect, you still have the original image. I find that these days 95% of my shots are of my kids, mostly Live Photos, but some scattered Portrait shots thrown in. A lot of them don't hold up to printing because of those edge anomalies, but occasionally we can get some decent shots.
 
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Humans are creatures of status displays. Nothing wrong with it, just how it is. I’m leaning toward XS for poorly rationalized reasons myself.
LOL i love that.

I myself, don't need an upgrade from the 8 Plus.
But because I look at it all year, and it's literally the only thing I carry around 24/7, I'm a sucker for an upgrade.
Do I need it? No chance. But I'm getting the maxed Xs Max. lol
 
Okey, they're pretty similar to me.
Personally, I don't think the lack of 3D Touch/OLED screen on the XR are deal-breakers. And the XR can handle bokeh even with a single camera...
So, what am I missing here?
Yea I wouldn’t ever consider a non OLED screen again. The difference is the biggest upgrade since edge network to 3G and I’m not even kidding.
 
Yea I wouldn’t ever consider a non OLED screen again. The difference is the biggest upgrade since edge network to 3G and I’m not even kidding.

Exactly. And just to illuminate what you said, I see a lot of people saying they ‘never cared’ for an OLED display or they don’t understand the differences, [But yet they have never experienced one]. My suggestion for doubters, use an OLED display for a week, then try going back to LCD display, and you will see monumental differences between the two and how OLED really is superior in almost every facet.
 
Exactly. And just to illuminate what you said, I see a lot of people saying they ‘never cared’ for an OLED display or they don’t understand the differences, [But yet they have never experienced one]. My suggestion for doubters, use an OLED display for a week, then try going back to LCD display, and you will see monumental differences between the two and how OLED really is superior in almost every facet.
I have an OLED TV. I love it for a TV. For a phone I really don’t care all that much.

My usage patterns for a TV and a phone are vastly different obviously.

For bright room usage a lot of the benefit of OLED is lost. Also, some of the disadvantages of OLED phone screens such as poorer off-axis quality should not be ignored.
 
Xs gold looks much better than the Xr kiddy crayola colors to begin with.
I hope this version of "gold" is better than the 8. The back looked like stained nicotine cream. The Rose Gold looked like metallic pink. Previous gold phone and iPads also looked like fools gold.

Real gold comes in so many shades. Picking the right one to emulate and doing it well is obviously a major challenge.

I'm sure it will sell well.

As prices creep up they may even one day soon be able to offer a real gold plated version :)
 
Okey, they're pretty similar to me.
Personally, I don't think the lack of 3D Touch/OLED screen on the XR are deal-breakers. And the XR can handle bokeh even with a single camera...
So, what am I missing here?

If you bought an XR, I’m sure you’ve discovered the big difference in photo quality overall, and in specific, the crippled bokeh effect on the XR.
 
Okey, they're pretty similar to me.
Personally, I don't think the lack of 3D Touch/OLED screen on the XR are deal-breakers. And the XR can handle bokeh even with a single camera...
So, what am I missing here?

So which one did you end up with in the end?
 
For me it’s size.

Xr is too big for me.

The AMOLED helps make the decision easier
 
If you bought an XR, I’m sure you’ve discovered the big difference in photo quality overall, and in specific, the crippled bokeh effect on the XR.

Well, to be fair, there should be zero difference in photo quality for most shots, because the XR & XS share the same wide-angle camera. The XR will be inferior for any zoomed shots, or - as you mentioned - most portrait mode photos. The exception would be low-light situations, in which the XS’ zoom lens apparently doesn’t perform very well.
 
Okey, they're pretty similar to me.
Personally, I don't think the lack of 3D Touch/OLED screen on the XR are deal-breakers. And the XR can handle bokeh even with a single camera...
So, what am I missing here?
It's each person's personal preference. That's why Apple and millions of other companies offer more than one product... because everyone has different needs, preferences and budgets. Personally, I prefer the XS, primarily because I don't like the larger size of the XR or XS max. Screen, camera and other differences aren't enough to motivate me to carry a bigger phone. But that's just my opinion.
 
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