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I chose the XS. I’m upgrading from a 7plus. Honestly, I did not care for the size. Women’s pants/jeans (I’m a size 8... so average size). have small pockets. I gave it a shot for 2 years. The plus size is not for me.

The X had a similar screen size as the 7 plus in a form that fits in my pocket better.

Which made me consider the X for $899.

Then ATT offered Bogo for buying the XS. So not only did I get an upgrade, so did my husband. 2 new phones for $999 vs 1 new X for $899... no brainer for me.
 
USB-C and 120Hz ProMotion displays will arrive for the iPhone 11 / 11 Max.

I think both models is just a holdover. We can finally charge our iPhones, iPad Pros, MacBooks, and even Androids with the same charger next year.

There is no point going ALL-IN this year with the most expensive iPhones if we know next year will be a transitional year by finally throwing away our Lightning Connectors and replacing them with USB-C and with 120Hz displays.

XR = lean meat
XS/XS Max = excess fat, skin of the chicken

XR = PS4 og or slim
XS/XS Max = PS4 Pro

I have checked graphic comparisons with God of War and Spider-Man and see very little differences. Then again, it wouldn't matter to get a Pro anyway since my TV is only 1080p.

That's the XS/XS Max to me. Just excess fat. That skin might taste the best but it's totally unhealthy. That's what the expensive iPhones are to me at this moment. Unhealthy for my bank account.

Stay practical. Get what you truly NEED.
 
The ppi (pixel) resolution is lower for a larger screen at 326 ppi as opposed to the 7/8 Plus which is 401 ppi. The pixel resolution is the same as the iPhone 6 that came out 5 years ago
I know. The Xr actually had the same pixel density as the iPhone 4, which was the first retina iPhone.

But none of that matters. If regular eyes can't distinguish the individual pixels from normal viewing distances, then higher pixel densities are wasted. If your eyes can see the individual pixels on a retina screen, then you'd be happier with the one on the plus or the old X/Xs/max.

Not for nothing, the 6 is only 4 years old. Retina screens are 8 years old.
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  • Higher res screen - Don’t care what anyone says, 720p on a 6.1” display is a joke, especially in 2018
so would an 828p screen be less of a joke?
 
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USB-C and 120Hz ProMotion displays will arrive for the iPhone 11 / 11 Max.

I think both models is just a holdover. We can finally charge our iPhones, iPad Pros, MacBooks, and even Androids with the same charger next year.

There is no point going ALL-IN this year with the most expensive iPhones if we know next year will be a transitional year by finally throwing away our Lightning Connectors and replacing them with USB-C and with 120Hz displays.

XR = lean meat
XS/XS Max = excess fat, skin of the chicken

XR = PS4 og or slim
XS/XS Max = PS4 Pro

I have checked graphic comparisons with God of War and Spider-Man and see very little differences. Then again, it wouldn't matter to get a Pro anyway since my TV is only 1080p.

That's the XS/XS Max to me. Just excess fat. That skin might taste the best but it's totally unhealthy. That's what the expensive iPhones are to me at this moment. Unhealthy for my bank account.

Stay practical. Get what you truly NEED.
All I actually need is a 7 Plus. :) As long as I have Portrait Mode on the camera, I'm happy.

So, I wonder how sure people are the iPhone is going USB-C next year. I do see it happening eventually, but wonder why some say specifically next year.
 
USB-C and 120Hz ProMotion displays will arrive for the iPhone 11 / 11 Max.

I think both models is just a holdover. We can finally charge our iPhones, iPad Pros, MacBooks, and even Androids with the same charger next year.

There is no point going ALL-IN this year with the most expensive iPhones if we know next year will be a transitional year by finally throwing away our Lightning Connectors and replacing them with USB-C and with 120Hz displays.

XR = lean meat
XS/XS Max = excess fat, skin of the chicken

XR = PS4 og or slim
XS/XS Max = PS4 Pro

I have checked graphic comparisons with God of War and Spider-Man and see very little differences. Then again, it wouldn't matter to get a Pro anyway since my TV is only 1080p.

That's the XS/XS Max to me. Just excess fat. That skin might taste the best but it's totally unhealthy. That's what the expensive iPhones are to me at this moment. Unhealthy for my bank account.

Stay practical. Get what you truly NEED.
I love me some crispy chicken skin.
 
Then ATT offered Bogo for buying the XS. So not only did I get an upgrade, so did my husband. 2 new phones for $999 vs 1 new X for $899... no brainer for me.

Ummm... I believe the AT&T deal is buy one get $700 off a second, so I don't see how you are getting 2 for $999... please enlighten me!
 
This year, the more expensive iPhones will get the 8/8 Plus lukewarm reception.

The people's champion/populist/cheaper iPhone will get the red carpet treatment like the X did.

XR is also the more scarce model since it's arriving later and LCDs displays are limited.

Great for keeping because it's cheaper than the X/XS/XS Max and great for scalping because it's more scarce but in high demand.

No need to go ALL-IN buying a pricier iPhone when all these new models are a holdover and stop gap once we all transition to USB-C next year.
 
Well, that's interesting. To confirm the above, I took my iPhone 7 Plus and compared it to my wife's iPhone 6s, to get comparative font sizing. This would be equivalent to the iPhone 8 Plus vs iPhone 8.

As expected, the default iOS font sizing of the iPhone 6s/8 is smaller than the iPhone 7 Plus/8 Plus. I tested both the fonts in the system Settings, and in Safari.

What surprised me is when I put both phones into Display Zoomed view, both phones had EXACTLY the same font sizing both in Safari and in the Settings. All elements were the identical. It's NOT just a percentage zoom. So it seems for Display Zoomed, Apple has chosen a target size, and adjusted the algorithm for each phone to achieve that target.

I don't know if the same is true for the X/XS and Max, but it would be interesting to test.

tl;dr:

iPhones with the 6.0/6.1 points per mm in the above list would have larger default system and Safari fonts.
iPhones with the 6.4 points per mm in the above list would have smaller default system and Safari fonts.

However, it would appear that in Display Zoomed mode, system and Safari font sizes may be identical across different models.
Interesting. Thanks

I returned a launch day X last year because of lack of Display Zoom and I won’t be buying an XS if, as reported, it’s only the XR and XS Max that get it this time.

I’ll probably get the XR as the smallest of the the three with Display Zoom, but will play with the Max in store first to try to see if I could get on with a phone that big.
 
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I am thinking about getting a new phone. I am currently using a 5s. My problem is my eyes are not what they were so I want a bigger screen. Otherwise the phone is fine for me.

I think I will be good with the XR but not sure I will like the physical size.

I use my phone to make calls, viber, and check the news and email when I am out of the house. At home I never look at it.

I don't care about the camera, gaming, or watching videos.

Would the fonts actually be smaller on the XS than the XR? If so the XR is definitely the one for me. I'm just trying to read my email when I am out of the house without my glasses.
 
I am thinking about getting a new phone. I am currently using a 5s. My problem is my eyes are not what they were so I want a bigger screen. Otherwise the phone is fine for me.
Have you tried 'Text Size' and 'Display Zoom' in the 'Display and Brightness' settings?

Would the fonts actually be smaller on the XS than the XR? If so the XR is definitely the one for me. I'm just trying to read my email when I am out of the house without my glasses.
With default settings I think they will be the same, but if this is right, only the XR will have Display Zoom so it might be better for you. Email does support Dynamic Type though so an XS with Text Size cranked up would probably be fine if email is your only concern. Other apps, including Safari, don't support Dynamic Type and for those (as well Home screen icon size and text, system menu text, etc) Display Zoom makes a huge difference. For those of us with presbyopia (I think it affects everyone older than 40 or so to some degree), Display Zoom is a godsend!
 
Have you tried 'Text Size' and 'Display Zoom' in the 'Display and Brightness' settings?


With default settings I think they will be the same, but if this is right, only the XR will have Display Zoom so it might be better for you. Email does support Dynamic Type though so an XS with Text Size cranked up would probably be fine if email is your only concern. Other apps, including Safari, don't support Dynamic Type and for those (as well Home screen icon size and text, system menu text, etc) Display Zoom makes a huge difference. For those of us with presbyopia (I think it affects everyone older than 40 or so to some degree), Display Zoom is a godsend!

Thanks. I just checked text size and I am maxed out. I do not see Display Zoom. Is that because I am still on IOS 8?

I use a web based email.

It sounds like the XR with Display Zoom should help.

Yes, presbyopia for me too. It sucks!
 
Would the fonts actually be smaller on the XS than the XR? If so the XR is definitely the one for me. I'm just trying to read my email when I am out of the house without my glasses.
We won't know for sure until we have the units in hand, but by my calculations, it would appear that the default font size on the XR (like other 326 ppi iPhones) will be smaller than the fonts on the X and XS (or Plus models).

However, it would appear that in iOS 12, neither the X nor the XS support Zoomed Display (which is very odd considering the iPhone 6 has it)

The XR does support Zoomed Display, but the problem is text quality may not be great on the 326 ppi iPhones in Zoomed Display mode, at least if my wife's 6s in iOS 11 is any indication.

We'll have to see if this is true in iOS 12, and if it's true on the bigger XR as well. It's possible they could adjust the Zoomed Display settings in iOS 12 and/or the XR so that anti-aliasing artifacts are not as visible in text.

The XS Max shouldn't have any problem either way because of the higher pixel density. I can confirm the Plus models look fine without problematic anti-aliasing in Zoomed Display in iOS 11.


Thanks. I just checked text size and I am maxed out. I do not see Display Zoom. Is that because I am still on IOS 8?

I use a web based email.

It sounds like the XR with Display Zoom should help.

Yes, presbyopia for me too. It sucks!
I don't think the 5S supports Zoomed Display. I believe it was introduced with the iPhone 6.

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tl;dr summary:

Don't know yet, but I think XR default font size will be smaller than XS Max and XS.
XS doesn't support Zoomed Display, but both XR and XS Max do.

Zoomed Display looks good on Plus, and should also look good on Max.
Zoomed Display does not look great on 6/6s/7/8 and I'm guessing the XR will look similar since it has the same 326 ppi pixel density, but we don't know for sure yet.
 
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Zoomed Display does not look great on 6/6s/7/8 and I'm guessing the XR will look similar since it has the same 326 ppi pixel density, but we don't know for sure yet.
Looks great to me on my iPhone 7 (even with my reading glasses on!)
 
Looks great to me on my iPhone 7 (even with my reading glasses on!)
I'll have to check out Zoomed Display on the 7 and 8 and XS in person when I get the chance. Cuz to my eyes it doesn't look great on the 6s, and I don't know why it would be any different on the 7, unless Apple tweaked something specifically for the 7 and up.

I mean Zoomed Display on the 6s looks usable, but not as perfect to my eyes as Standard Display on the 6s, or Standard or Zoomed Display on the 7 Plus.
 
I'll have to check out Zoomed Display on the 7 and 8 and XS in person when I get the chance. Cuz to my eyes it doesn't look great on the 6s, and I don't know why it would be any different on the 7, unless Apple tweaked something specifically for the 7 and up.

I mean Zoomed Display on the 6s looks usable, but not as perfect to my eyes as Standard Display on the 6s, or Standard or Zoomed Display on the 7 Plus.
Yeah, checking in person is the order of the day with the new phones (XS may not even have display zoom, just like the X doesn’t). As well as zoom, I’d like to see if the colour shift on the OLED panels is reduced this time around.
 
I'll have to check out Zoomed Display on the 7 and 8 and XS in person when I get the chance. Cuz to my eyes it doesn't look great on the 6s, and I don't know why it would be any different on the 7, unless Apple tweaked something specifically for the 7 and up.

I mean Zoomed Display on the 6s looks usable, but not as perfect to my eyes as Standard Display on the 6s, or Standard or Zoomed Display on the 7 Plus.

Just tried zoomed display on my 6S and it looks just as sharp as non-zoomed to my eyes, I must ben getting cataracts :)
 
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Just tried zoomed display on my 6S and it looks just as sharp as non-zoomed to my eyes, I must ben getting cataracts :)
Well that's interesting. I checked again today after a full reboot, and the aliasing artifacts are pretty much gone. Must have been a bug from switching back and forth from Standard to Zoomed modes without doing true full reboots.

If I look really close, text the 7 Plus still looks a bit crisper in Zoomed Display mode than the 6s but that probably has more to do with the pixel density itself rather than Zoomed mode, and usually I don't look that closely.

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So, a PSA:

If you're going to switch between various modes, to get optimal quality you should probably do a full reboot afterwards, as the partial restarts that such switching provides may leave some residual effects that are not intended.
 
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Okey, they're pretty similar to me.
Personally, I don't think the lack of 3D Touch/OLED screen on the XR are deal-breakers. And the XR can handle bokeh even with a single camera...
So, what am I missing here?

More storage, better screen, more RAM.

I use 3D Touch and have grown to like the OLED so they are deal breakers for me.

Stupid bokeh effects? Not so much.
 
Ummm... I believe the AT&T deal is buy one get $700 off a second, so I don't see how you are getting 2 for $999... please enlighten me!

I guess that wasn’t clear. I got the XS for $999. Husband got the 8plus for free ($700 value)
 
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android fanboys and their obsession for higher resolution. ill take a lower resolution but still good enough without the expense of having worst battery life and performance.

326ppi is more than sufficient, and as others have said your eyes will not be able to discern the difference after everyday use.

people forget that after you just use the phone as it is you STOP caring about the actual pixel density. something android kids will never let go.

so glad i got out of the apple hate reality distortion field circa 2013
 
So, I had an hour to kill and went to the local Apple Store to test out the X, 7 Plus, 7, and SE, all side by side.

First off, I confirmed that Zoom Display mode just doesn’t exist for the X. The salesperson beside me was quite surprised to learn that, and was going through all the settings for several minutes before confirming that too. Second, my local Apple Store had significant stock left over of the X. The price was CAD$140 or something like that off, meaning about a US$100 discount. Also, as expected, I was told the XR will not be available for display until October's official launch.

For text quality at about ~12” distance, if I just used the 7 alone, it seemed fine with both Standard and Zoomed Display modes. However, when I placed the 7 next to the 7 Plus and X and looked for it I could see a mild softening of edges of some small text on the 7. I've mentioned this before that it can be hard to see at normal viewing distances, but nonetheless it is there and of course it becomes easier to see when you're specifically looking for it or you view it from up close. I’m pretty sure the XR will look like the 7 in this regard.

Then my attention turned to the X vs 7 Plus. For text clarity they were the same, but there was no proper Zoomed Display mode on the X which may make it a non-starter for some with presbyopia. (Everyone, if you don't have it now, there is a good chance you might get a bit of it by age 45 or so. It's just a normal change as your eyes age.) Also, it would appear that the colour calibration between the two models in that store was different, and yes I turned TruTone off. I preferred the tonal balance of the 7 Plus.

In that super bright store, it was impossible to assess true blacks properly. Blacks on both with the Wonder Woman trailer’s end credits simply looked great. I was very pleased with the blacks of the 7 Plus despite the fact I knew it should look way worse. (I have an OLED TV.) I’m sure if we had a dark room it’d be easy to differentiate the two but that environment was not available in an Apple Store. I'd probably have to swipe the phones and go hide in a closet to do proper testing of the black levels. I didn't. ;)

For the camera, I really only tested Portrait Mode. To my disappointment, the X suffered the exact same problems as the iPhone 7 Plus in Portrait Mode. For the fake bokeh, the phones determine the edge of the foreground subject and then blur everything else around it. Unfortunately, quite frequently the 7 Plus "misses" and either blurs a thin rim of the subject, or even worse, very occasionally in a few cases on my 7 Plus it focally would keep a thin rim of background adjacent to the subject in focus, as if the subject had a super thin personal shield around it. You often won't notice this on a phone screen unless you're specifically looking for it, or if you zoom in on the picture, but it becomes obvious in some cases if you make prints, like a 4x6 or 5x7 photo print. If you take enough shots or use different conditions, you will get pictures that minimize this error, but it's really trial and error. And my trial of the iPhone X gave me the exact same issues. No discernible improvement in Portrait Mode over the 7 Plus, although I'll admit my testing was pretty limited. However, even so, I figured that if I'm seeing the exact same problem on even the very first shot I took, the Portrait Mode algorithm probably just hasn't been improved that much on the X. The Neural Engine has been vastly improved in the XS, and it is used for photos, so we'll see if the XS, Max, and XR improve this. I'm thinking for the bokeh, the slider is cool, but in the end I probably won't use it all that much. I have purchased several camera control apps for my various iPhones, and they are almost never used.

These are some of my main points and some additional comments:

1) If you're coming from a 4, 4S, 5, 5C, 5S, SE, 6, 6s, 7, or 8 and think these phones look good for text, you'll be totally fine with the XR. As been reiterated again and again, screen size is irrelevant here. It's the pixel density that matters.
2) If you're coming from a 6 Plus, 7 Plus, 8 Plus, or X, you might be fine with the XR too but if you're a stickler for perfection in text display and have very good eyesight, or if you like to look at your phone up close, you may want to go with a Plus, XS, or XS Max.
3) Despite all the hooplah about new cameras each year, features like Portrait Mode that debuted years ago still have not been perfected in the X. The jury is out on the XS, Max, and XR, but my guess is they will still have problems. But I hold out hope the new Neural Engine maybe does improve things. Another reason to wait though.
4) In bright light I saw no advantage at all for the OLED screen. The Plus screen looked at least as good. This would likely not be true in the dark though.

IOW, my 2 year-old iPhone 7 Plus did very, very well against the X overall. I'd say the main problem with the 7 Plus are the forehead and thus lots of wasted space on the 7 Plus. However, I still liked having TouchID. What this means I've lost excitement in the Max, and given that I already have top notch text quality, I'm not really in need of an XR either. In the end, I'm still not really sure what I'll do, except wait. I may just hang onto my 7 Plus again, maybe. My wife really wants a new phone though to replace her 6s which has had a few issues, and she's perfectly happy with the text quality on that phone, so maybe I'll just get the XR for her, although in truth, a 7 Plus would be fine for her too.

Pricing in Canada of the various 414 point wide phones with more than 64 GB is as follows:

CAD$929: 7 Plus 128 GB
CAD$1159: 8 Plus 256 GB (There is no 128 GB model.) <--- This is more than the XR.
CAD$1099: XR 128 GB
CAD$1729: XS Max 256 GB (There is no 128 GB model.) <--- Seriously, WTF?!?

It seems the best bang for buck here for my wife is the XR 128 GB.
 
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